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Re: NVDA and Email Images

Quentin Christensen
 

I wasn't suggesting using NVDA+r to read captchas, indeed my other comment was that we CAN'T build a feature which will reliably do that - for the very reason that if we could, so could the people (or bots) the captchas are designed to stop in the first place.  My suggestion for NVDA+r was in the case of someone's contact details being provided in an image - at least that was my understanding but maybe the question was simply how to get past the captcha to get to the contact details, in which case no, NVDA+r won't work there.

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 1:03 AM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
The accuracy of this tool to decipher captchas is so questionable as
to make it virtually useless in that regard.

On 10/27/21, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
> Hi NVDA Group,
>
> Thanks for the advisement to use the NVDA key and the letter r to
> address the email image issue.
> This is different from audio captcha.
> To the website administrator, this image feature is to deter spammers
> and the like from sending unwanted communications. I hasten to ask,
> what is to prevent such activity if one sending spam realizes they can
> override the intention of a website admin by acquiring NVDA and
> misusing this feature?
> This begs the question, would it be good practice to inform the admin
> that blind persons can use the NVDA screen reader and utilize a
> feature to send email via the presented image?
>
> I think it's great to provide technology solutions, but as the adage
> states, idle hands are mischief's workshop.
> Best,
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Re: Verbosity Settings

Gene
 

Its control NVDA g.  You are using caps lock as an NVDA key but a lot of people would use either insert. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Verbosity Settings
 

In addition, if you want to explore settings and customize NVDA to your liking, the keystroke is, Control, Caps Lock plus G. Once the dialog box opens, shift tab and take a look at the categories, by up and down arrow keys and see  what NVDA has to offer.

 

Happy customizing!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: 27 October 2021 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Verbosity Settings

 

Hi Danny, if too many symbols are being spoken, just press NVDA+P to set your punctuation/symbol level to either some or none. Hope this helps.

 

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:

Where can I go to change the verbosity settings to get rid of the
symbols being spoken.


Danny






Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi Lukasz,


I've tried opening www.nvaccess.org in Internet explorer, but to no avail. It says: This page can't be displayed. As for taking a look at the log, I have not done it, but due to the fact that I've just read Joseph's message directed to you and to all of us, I think that his explanation of the situation is much better than mine.

Cheers,

Dejan

On 27/10/2021 18:22, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 18:15:08 +0200
"Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:

I can open it in Firefox.
I've asked for a test In Internet Explorer specifically.

As for an error, I get a message
saying: error checking for updates.

Again that is not what I asked for. What is the error message you see in
NVDA's log accessible with NVDA+1?




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Re: Verbosity Settings

Daniel McGee
 

In addition, if you want to explore settings and customize NVDA to your liking, the keystroke is, Control, Caps Lock plus G. Once the dialog box opens, shift tab and take a look at the categories, by up and down arrow keys and see  what NVDA has to offer.

 

Happy customizing!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: 27 October 2021 17:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Verbosity Settings

 

Hi Danny, if too many symbols are being spoken, just press NVDA+P to set your punctuation/symbol level to either some or none. Hope this helps.

 

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:

Where can I go to change the verbosity settings to get rid of the
symbols being spoken.


Danny






Re: Verbosity Settings

Danny Park
 

Thanks for the help that is what I was looking for.


Danny

On 10/27/2021 11:55 AM, Jujube wrote:
Hi Danny, if too many symbols are being spoken, just press NVDA+P to set your punctuation/symbol level to either some or none. Hope this helps.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:
Where can I go to change the verbosity settings to get rid of the
symbols being spoken.


Danny







Re: Verbosity Settings

Jujube
 

Hi Danny, if too many symbols are being spoken, just press NVDA+P to set your punctuation/symbol level to either some or none. Hope this helps.


On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 9:48 AM Danny Park <dpark13918@...> wrote:
Where can I go to change the verbosity settings to get rid of the
symbols being spoken.


Danny







Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

 

Hi,

Or, for that matter, if folks can also access NV Access website via Chrome and/or Edge on a domain-joined Windows 7/8.1/10/11 system (mostly on Windows 7).

Cheers,

Joseph


Verbosity Settings

Danny Park
 

Where can I go to change the verbosity settings to get rid of the symbols being spoken.


Danny


Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 09:33:09 -0700
"Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

It was pointed out on NVDA add-ons list that this issue may affect domain-joined computers managed by IT admins. Specifically, despite request from NVDA (specifically, Python), Windows will not update certificate store.
Interesting. It would be great to confirm if Internet Explorer can
access NV Access's server or not. If it can then perhaps we should
change the way in which updates are downloaded to use Win32 APi rather
than Python's urlllib.

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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

 

Hi,

Right. Also, a bit on Firefox: the original poster used Firefox because Mozilla has its own root certificate whereas NV Access uses Letsencrypt.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

 

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 12:33 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
It was pointed out on NVDA add-ons list that this issue may affect domain-joined computers managed by IT admins.
-
Centrally administered clusters of machines are, indeed, a universe of their own.  And very often what you, as the user of said machine, have access to do on it is very tightly restricted.
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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

 

Hi Lukasz and others,

It was pointed out on NVDA add-ons list that this issue may affect domain-joined computers managed by IT admins. Specifically, despite request from NVDA (specifically, Python), Windows will not update certificate store. I took a look at a private debug log, and an SSL error is shown that says "certificate has expired" despite running the workarounds suggested here (I had the original poster use the Python Console method to no avail). The poster also informed me privately that this happens with Add-on Updater 21.10 which includes the fix from NVDA 2021.3, so our next bet is waiting until 2021.3 beta 1 is released before trying again (provided that this works).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 11:24:58 -0500
"Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

The problem may be the result of using Windows 7. The fix may not work in that operating system.
It worked on all of my 3 Win 7 boxes so that cannot be the issue.


Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Gene
 

The problem may be the result of using Windows 7.  The fix may not work in that operating system.  It is essential that when reporting a problem, the version of the operating system and software be stated. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me
 

Hi,

 

Sorry to say, Windows 7.

 

Cheers,

Dejan

On 27/10/2021 18:17, Gene wrote:
What version of Windows are you using? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me
 
Hi,


I can open it in Firefox. As for an error, I get a message saying: error
checking for updates.

On 27/10/2021 17:52, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
> 1. Can you open nvaccess.org in Internet Explorer?
> 2. What error you get in the log after trying to check for updates?
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:24:47 +0200
> "Dejan Ristic" mailto:r.dejan83@... wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Although I installed, and then uninstalled the nvdaCertPatch add-on, I still faced an error while trying to check for updates.
>>
>>
>> I'm just submitting this report to let you know that I face this issue, and that you may be able to take some steps during your later works on the next versions to come.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dejan
>>
>>
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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 18:15:08 +0200
"Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:


I can open it in Firefox.
I've asked for a test In Internet Explorer specifically.

As for an error, I get a message
saying: error checking for updates.

Again that is not what I asked for. What is the error message you see in
NVDA's log accessible with NVDA+1?


Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


Sorry to say, Windows 7.


Cheers,

Dejan

On 27/10/2021 18:17, Gene wrote:
What version of Windows are you using? 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me
 
Hi,


I can open it in Firefox. As for an error, I get a message saying: error
checking for updates.

On 27/10/2021 17:52, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
> 1. Can you open nvaccess.org in Internet Explorer?
> 2. What error you get in the log after trying to check for updates?
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:24:47 +0200
> "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Although I installed, and then uninstalled the nvdaCertPatch add-on, I still faced an error while trying to check for updates.
>>
>>
>> I'm just submitting this report to let you know that I face this issue, and that you may be able to take some steps during your later works on the next versions to come.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dejan
>>
>>
>> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

 

There exists another option:  Update Checking Error for NVDA and Add-On Updater - Root Cause Identified, Workaround Given, Problem solved in 2021.3
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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Gene
 

What version of Windows are you using? 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me
 
Hi,


I can open it in Firefox. As for an error, I get a message saying: error
checking for updates.

On 27/10/2021 17:52, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
> 1. Can you open nvaccess.org in Internet Explorer?
> 2. What error you get in the log after trying to check for updates?
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:24:47 +0200
> "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Although I installed, and then uninstalled the nvdaCertPatch add-on, I still faced an error while trying to check for updates.
>>
>>
>> I'm just submitting this report to let you know that I face this issue, and that you may be able to take some steps during your later works on the next versions to come.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dejan
>>
>>
>> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi,


I can open it in Firefox. As for an error, I get a message saying: error checking for updates.

On 27/10/2021 17:52, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:
1. Can you open nvaccess.org in Internet Explorer?
2. What error you get in the log after trying to check for updates?


On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:24:47 +0200
"Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,


Although I installed, and then uninstalled the nvdaCertPatch add-on, I still faced an error while trying to check for updates.


I'm just submitting this report to let you know that I face this issue, and that you may be able to take some steps during your later works on the next versions to come.


Cheers,

Dejan


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Re: nvdaCertPatch fails to work for me

Lukasz Golonka
 

1. Can you open nvaccess.org in Internet Explorer?
2. What error you get in the log after trying to check for updates?


On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:24:47 +0200
"Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,


Although I installed, and then uninstalled the nvdaCertPatch add-on, I still faced an error while trying to check for updates.


I'm just submitting this report to let you know that I face this issue, and that you may be able to take some steps during your later works on the next versions to come.


Cheers,

Dejan


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