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locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

Howard Traxler
 

I agree with all of yous.  It only makes sense to move on.  However, I don't think anyone is gonna come around and hold a gun to my stupid head and force me to do what's good for me.  Sorry folks.  I won't remark further.

Howard

On 10/29/2021 1:40 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:30 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

Who says?  [in reference to Carlos' comment: "At some point the
madness of using unsupported software has to stop!"]
-
Quite literally anyone with a lick of sense.

In the computing world both hardware and software has a finite shelf life.  And those who continue using either past its time in support gets precisely what they deserve.

If you are going to use a computer, you use an operating system and application software that's in support if you want your life to remain as sane in that arena as it can be.  There are very, very good reasons that computing tools have a finite shelf life, and part of that is the pace of change and the major changes in security needs.

--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Thanks John.  That sure did work.  Tried it on my main machine and it works fine.

Now the big problem is:

I have another machine, a windows 10 computer that I bought about six years ago but never got it running; because I forgot the logon password.  I'm hoping that I can get it as far as asking for the password, then make it talk.  Gonna try this thumb drive or/and try narrator.

If you have other ideas, please suggest.  I have found, downloaded, and set up a boot CD with a program that is supposed to let me take away the password.  But I need to make the machine talk or get a sighty to read the screen.  Well, maybe soon.

Thanks again.

Howard

On 10/29/2021 12:57 PM, John Isige wrote:
You can't. Well, you can if you already have access to the machine and
install some third party software on it and make a script on your USB
drive, but that doesn't solve your problem. The easiest thing, I think,
would be to name your drive with a number, so in the volume label you'd
type something like 1nvda or whatever. Then to run it, you'd do the
following.


1. insert drive into computer, wait for the noise that tells you it was
recognized.


2. Hit windows-e to get into file explorer.


3. Hit 1 to get to your drive.


4. Hit enter to get into your drive.


At this point, you want to set up the contents of the drive so you have
a numbered file, like 1.bat. Have that file run NVDA. So when you're in
that drive, hit 1 and hit enter again, and you should have NVDA running.
So for example, suppose on your machine, the drive is e:. You make a
portable copy of NVDA at e:\nvda. Label e: as 1nvda or whatever, then go
into the drive. Make a file called 1.bat with text like so.


#echo off

cd \nvda

nvda


Then, slap the drive into a new machine, hit win-e, 1, enter, 1, enter.
NVDA should run.


On 10/29/2021 12:40 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I have been successful at making a portable copy of NVDA on a USB
thumb drive.  I can navigatte to it on my main computer, then shut
down the running NVDA, just hit the enter key and the portable copy
starts.  I'd like to plug this thumb drive into a machine that has no
screen reader and have it start automatically.  Can someone tell me
how to make this happen?

Thank you.

Howard







locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:30 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Who says?  [in reference to Carlos' comment: "At some point the madness of using unsupported software has to stop!"]  
-
Quite literally anyone with a lick of sense.

In the computing world both hardware and software has a finite shelf life.  And those who continue using either past its time in support gets precisely what they deserve.

If you are going to use a computer, you use an operating system and application software that's in support if you want your life to remain as sane in that arena as it can be.  There are very, very good reasons that computing tools have a finite shelf life, and part of that is the pace of change and the major changes in security needs.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

John Isige
 

You can't. Well, you can if you already have access to the machine and
install some third party software on it and make a script on your USB
drive, but that doesn't solve your problem. The easiest thing, I think,
would be to name your drive with a number, so in the volume label you'd
type something like 1nvda or whatever. Then to run it, you'd do the
following.


1. insert drive into computer, wait for the noise that tells you it was
recognized.


2. Hit windows-e to get into file explorer.


3. Hit 1 to get to your drive.


4. Hit enter to get into your drive.


At this point, you want to set up the contents of the drive so you have
a numbered file, like 1.bat. Have that file run NVDA. So when you're in
that drive, hit 1 and hit enter again, and you should have NVDA running.
So for example, suppose on your machine, the drive is e:. You make a
portable copy of NVDA at e:\nvda. Label e: as 1nvda or whatever, then go
into the drive. Make a file called 1.bat with text like so.


#echo off

cd \nvda

nvda


Then, slap the drive into a new machine, hit win-e, 1, enter, 1, enter.
NVDA should run.

On 10/29/2021 12:40 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I have been successful at making a portable copy of NVDA on a USB
thumb drive.  I can navigatte to it on my main computer, then shut
down the running NVDA, just hit the enter key and the portable copy
starts.  I'd like to plug this thumb drive into a machine that has no
screen reader and have it start automatically.  Can someone tell me
how to make this happen?

Thank you.

Howard




locked Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

I have been successful at making a portable copy of NVDA on a USB thumb drive.  I can navigatte to it on my main computer, then shut down the running NVDA, just hit the enter key and the portable copy starts.  I'd like to plug this thumb drive into a machine that has no screen reader and have it start automatically.  Can someone tell me how to make this happen?

Thank you.

Howard


locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

tim
 

That is not a problem for NVDA, but more a win7 and resources. That is how unsupported software gets, it keeps lagging until dead.

On 10/29/2021 12:19 PM, David Mellor wrote:
Thanks for this Hope.
I don't use the numpad insert though. I'm using a full sized USB external
keyboard.
The only time this problem occurs for me is when the machine is heavily
loaded and labouring with a large number of open firefox windows.
There would be a couple of seconds delay after hitting Insert-f12 and then
the dev console appears as if NVDA has missed the keystroke and it's been
passed through to firefox instead.
Now I know I just need to hit f12 to switch back again, that won't be a
hassle anymore.
Thank you,
David






locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

David Mellor
 

Thanks Gene,
I have realised that my comment on the cursor not stopping in the correct place after auto-reading is no longer a problem in my current NVDA release. I should have checked that again before posting.
Search not finding text in links is not universal. There are examples here and there  on some web pages  but in most cases it works.
Very many thanks,
 David 


locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

Howard Traxler
 

Carlos, you say
"At some point the madness of using unsupported software has to stop!"

Who says?

On 10/29/2021 10:08 AM, Carlos wrote:
Why do people still insist on using Windows 7/XP? And, then complain about lack of support for features that are found in newer versions of NVDA, as well as other software which in newer versions of software included/fixed. At some point the madness of using unsupported software has to stop!


On 10/29/2021 7:42 AM, David Mellor wrote:
Dear group,
Here is my current wish list for NVDA. I will try and find the time to
submit some of it through the github page.
Could I ask if others would find any of these useful?


NVDA-tag after a successful search does not speak the control in focus.
Tabbing away then back does correct it.

Starts and ends of lists like email or file lists are not indicated. Rather
the item at the cursor is repeated which can cause confusion in contexts
where repetitions are possible. Perhaps a beep could be used. I don't know
if NVDA is able to detect this.

Apps key in email list in Outlook 2003 to bring up the context menu does not
say anything. I understand older Office apps are no longer supported though.

Win 7 calculator result is often not read automatically.

nvda-cntl-right does not move to the next synth ring setting. Left does move
to the previous.

NVDA f12 for time and date often causes firefox to go into dev console mode.

Text in a link is often not found by an NVDA search on a web page.

Drag and drop on Win 7 start menu often drops in the wrong place.

A common annoyance with VIP browsing through long lists of data is the
continuous repetition of a number of common chars or words on a link. I have
recently waded through a backlog of around 35,000 messages on this group
having got way behind.
Listening to:
Group By: Collapse:   Subject: [nvda] need help with XXX
and similar is a lot more time consuming that it needs to be.
Reading the lists of file directories would be another example. The left
side of the list will contain continuous repetition.
Would anyone else think a facility to compact down repeated characters on
successive lines in lists would be useful with some appropriate speech to
indicate the number of chars that were currently in common?
automatically jumping passed a number of lines with a number of words in
common whilst holding shift so they can be selected and deleted would be
useful as well.

The add-ons manager could give a button to check for release notes rather
than inviting us to install the add-on without knowing what has changed.
Also an easy way to track down the developer would be really useful.
It would be good for the main NVDA update dialogue to have a button to read
release notes as well.

I don't need it right now but there have been times in the passed where it
would have been really useful to be able to trigger NVDA commands from a
user configurable menu of commands rather than having to look them up in the
manual. Trying to remember the keystrokes for drag-and-drop would be an
example that comes to mind.

Full context-free version of NVDA-1 help mode to find free keys that can be
assigned would be good.

Allow the NVDA hot key mechanism to be used for the user to fire up specific
applications or find and bring specific applications in to the foreground. I
find the Windows 7 hot keys do not work correctly for me. I'd rather use
NVDA than looking for an accessible third party app.

I often find the NVDA updater errors although the update always seems to
have worked.

In app sleep mode, NVDA shift s, it would be better if the alt-tabbing to
the app still speaks the window title rather than saying nothing. I haven't
tried using an app triggered profile with speech turned off but I suspect
the same thing would happen.

When auto say all when opening a new document like web pages, could it
please be done in a way that causes the cursor to be left in the current
read position when a key is hit to stop the reading.
I always stop the auto read and hit NVDA-down to start it again so that the
cursor will be left in the correct position when I stop it.

I frequently turn off num-lock to use object or screen navigation and forget
to turn it on again. Later I start typing numbers, possibly while on the
phone and don't realise that they are not actually being entered. A timer
that would automatically turn num-lock on again (or off is that is your
default) would be really good.

Best wishes,
David









locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

David Mellor
 

Thanks for this Hope.
I don't use the numpad insert though. I'm using a full sized USB external
keyboard.
The only time this problem occurs for me is when the machine is heavily
loaded and labouring with a large number of open firefox windows.
There would be a couple of seconds delay after hitting Insert-f12 and then
the dev console appears as if NVDA has missed the keystroke and it's been
passed through to firefox instead.
Now I know I just need to hit f12 to switch back again, that won't be a
hassle anymore.
Thank you,
David


locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

Hope Williamson
 

Perhaps I can provide a bit more understanding on the time issue, but
it's an issue of thoroughness and nothing else. If you use the number
pad for other things, and then forget, and then try to press the insert
+f12 key combination, you end up pressing f12 by itself. This results in
opening up the developer console in Firefox and Chromium-based browsers.
This is easily resolved by pressing f12 again.


WT.social

Marco Oros
 

Hello.

I have a question. Have You use WT.social? Please, could You get some feedback, how to use It? I have a problems to use this social network due to some unaccessible issues.

Thank You.

Marco


locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

Gene
 

NVDA still supports Windows 7.  But it appears to me that many of the things complained of may be quirks on the machine.  If any of the issues discussed are specific to Windows 7, it probably isn’t considered worth developers spending valuable time correcting.  They may bbe annoyances, but I doubt Windows 7 support will last that much longer. 
 
Regarding what may well be quirks, I use Windows 7 and I don’t have the following problems:
Time and date work properly. 
The speech ring works properly.
The cursor moves properly in automatic reading of web pages.
Search not finding text in links may be a quirk.
When I get to the end of the message list in Thunderbird and Windows Live Mail, there is no speech if I press down arrow at the end  of the list.  That is also the case in a list of files and folders. 
 
We don’t know what is being used for a keyboard.  Does that have anything to do with any of these problems?  Some external keyboards use some incompatible codes. 
 
Many of the things discussed are feature requests or requests for changes and I won’t comment on those.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Wish list, various issues.
 
Why do people still insist on using Windows 7/XP? And, then complain
about lack of support for features that are found in newer versions of
NVDA, as well as other software which in newer versions of software
included/fixed. At some point the madness of using unsupported software
has to stop!


On 10/29/2021 7:42 AM, David Mellor wrote:
> Dear group,
> Here is my current wish list for NVDA. I will try and find the time to
> submit some of it through the github page.
> Could I ask if others would find any of these useful?
>
>
> NVDA-tag after a successful search does not speak the control in focus.
> Tabbing away then back does correct it.
>
> Starts and ends of lists like email or file lists are not indicated. Rather
> the item at the cursor is repeated which can cause confusion in contexts
> where repetitions are possible. Perhaps a beep could be used. I don't know
> if NVDA is able to detect this.
>
> Apps key in email list in Outlook 2003 to bring up the context menu does not
> say anything. I understand older Office apps are no longer supported though.
>
> Win 7 calculator result is often not read automatically.
>
> nvda-cntl-right does not move to the next synth ring setting. Left does move
> to the previous.
>
> NVDA f12 for time and date often causes firefox to go into dev console mode.
>
> Text in a link is often not found by an NVDA search on a web page.
>
> Drag and drop on Win 7 start menu often drops in the wrong place.
>
> A common annoyance with VIP browsing through long lists of data is the
> continuous repetition of a number of common chars or words on a link. I have
> recently waded through a backlog of around 35,000 messages on this group
> having got way behind.
> Listening to:
> Group By: Collapse:   Subject: [nvda] need help with XXX
> and similar is a lot more time consuming that it needs to be.
> Reading the lists of file directories would be another example. The left
> side of the list will contain continuous repetition.
> Would anyone else think a facility to compact down repeated characters on
> successive lines in lists would be useful with some appropriate speech to
> indicate the number of chars that were currently in common?
> automatically jumping passed a number of lines with a number of words in
> common whilst holding shift so they can be selected and deleted would be
> useful as well.
>
> The add-ons manager could give a button to check for release notes rather
> than inviting us to install the add-on without knowing what has changed.
> Also an easy way to track down the developer would be really useful.
> It would be good for the main NVDA update dialogue to have a button to read
> release notes as well.
>
> I don't need it right now but there have been times in the passed where it
> would have been really useful to be able to trigger NVDA commands from a
> user configurable menu of commands rather than having to look them up in the
> manual. Trying to remember the keystrokes for drag-and-drop would be an
> example that comes to mind.
>
> Full context-free version of NVDA-1 help mode to find free keys that can be
> assigned would be good.
>
> Allow the NVDA hot key mechanism to be used for the user to fire up specific
> applications or find and bring specific applications in to the foreground. I
> find the Windows 7 hot keys do not work correctly for me. I'd rather use
> NVDA than looking for an accessible third party app.
>
> I often find the NVDA updater errors although the update always seems to
> have worked.
>
> In app sleep mode, NVDA shift s, it would be better if the alt-tabbing to
> the app still speaks the window title rather than saying nothing. I haven't
> tried using an app triggered profile with speech turned off but I suspect
> the same thing would happen.
>
> When auto say all when opening a new document like web pages, could it
> please be done in a way that causes the cursor to be left in the current
> read position when a key is hit to stop the reading.
> I always stop the auto read and hit NVDA-down to start it again so that the
> cursor will be left in the correct position when I stop it.
>
> I frequently turn off num-lock to use object or screen navigation and forget
> to turn it on again. Later I start typing numbers, possibly while on the
> phone and don't realise that they are not actually being entered. A timer
> that would automatically turn num-lock on again (or off is that is your
> default) would be really good.
>
> Best wishes,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





locked Re: My Wish list, various issues.

Carlos
 

Why do people still insist on using Windows 7/XP? And, then complain about lack of support for features that are found in newer versions of NVDA, as well as other software which in newer versions of software included/fixed. At some point the madness of using unsupported software has to stop!

On 10/29/2021 7:42 AM, David Mellor wrote:
Dear group,
Here is my current wish list for NVDA. I will try and find the time to
submit some of it through the github page.
Could I ask if others would find any of these useful?


NVDA-tag after a successful search does not speak the control in focus.
Tabbing away then back does correct it.

Starts and ends of lists like email or file lists are not indicated. Rather
the item at the cursor is repeated which can cause confusion in contexts
where repetitions are possible. Perhaps a beep could be used. I don't know
if NVDA is able to detect this.

Apps key in email list in Outlook 2003 to bring up the context menu does not
say anything. I understand older Office apps are no longer supported though.

Win 7 calculator result is often not read automatically.

nvda-cntl-right does not move to the next synth ring setting. Left does move
to the previous.

NVDA f12 for time and date often causes firefox to go into dev console mode.

Text in a link is often not found by an NVDA search on a web page.

Drag and drop on Win 7 start menu often drops in the wrong place.

A common annoyance with VIP browsing through long lists of data is the
continuous repetition of a number of common chars or words on a link. I have
recently waded through a backlog of around 35,000 messages on this group
having got way behind.
Listening to:
Group By: Collapse: Subject: [nvda] need help with XXX
and similar is a lot more time consuming that it needs to be.
Reading the lists of file directories would be another example. The left
side of the list will contain continuous repetition.
Would anyone else think a facility to compact down repeated characters on
successive lines in lists would be useful with some appropriate speech to
indicate the number of chars that were currently in common?
automatically jumping passed a number of lines with a number of words in
common whilst holding shift so they can be selected and deleted would be
useful as well.

The add-ons manager could give a button to check for release notes rather
than inviting us to install the add-on without knowing what has changed.
Also an easy way to track down the developer would be really useful.
It would be good for the main NVDA update dialogue to have a button to read
release notes as well.

I don't need it right now but there have been times in the passed where it
would have been really useful to be able to trigger NVDA commands from a
user configurable menu of commands rather than having to look them up in the
manual. Trying to remember the keystrokes for drag-and-drop would be an
example that comes to mind.

Full context-free version of NVDA-1 help mode to find free keys that can be
assigned would be good.

Allow the NVDA hot key mechanism to be used for the user to fire up specific
applications or find and bring specific applications in to the foreground. I
find the Windows 7 hot keys do not work correctly for me. I'd rather use
NVDA than looking for an accessible third party app.

I often find the NVDA updater errors although the update always seems to
have worked.

In app sleep mode, NVDA shift s, it would be better if the alt-tabbing to
the app still speaks the window title rather than saying nothing. I haven't
tried using an app triggered profile with speech turned off but I suspect
the same thing would happen.

When auto say all when opening a new document like web pages, could it
please be done in a way that causes the cursor to be left in the current
read position when a key is hit to stop the reading.
I always stop the auto read and hit NVDA-down to start it again so that the
cursor will be left in the correct position when I stop it.

I frequently turn off num-lock to use object or screen navigation and forget
to turn it on again. Later I start typing numbers, possibly while on the
phone and don't realise that they are not actually being entered. A timer
that would automatically turn num-lock on again (or off is that is your
default) would be really good.

Best wishes,
David






locked My Wish list, various issues.

David Mellor
 

Dear group,
Here is my current wish list for NVDA. I will try and find the time to
submit some of it through the github page.
Could I ask if others would find any of these useful?


NVDA-tag after a successful search does not speak the control in focus.
Tabbing away then back does correct it.

Starts and ends of lists like email or file lists are not indicated. Rather
the item at the cursor is repeated which can cause confusion in contexts
where repetitions are possible. Perhaps a beep could be used. I don't know
if NVDA is able to detect this.

Apps key in email list in Outlook 2003 to bring up the context menu does not
say anything. I understand older Office apps are no longer supported though.

Win 7 calculator result is often not read automatically.

nvda-cntl-right does not move to the next synth ring setting. Left does move
to the previous.

NVDA f12 for time and date often causes firefox to go into dev console mode.

Text in a link is often not found by an NVDA search on a web page.

Drag and drop on Win 7 start menu often drops in the wrong place.

A common annoyance with VIP browsing through long lists of data is the
continuous repetition of a number of common chars or words on a link. I have
recently waded through a backlog of around 35,000 messages on this group
having got way behind.
Listening to:
Group By: Collapse: Subject: [nvda] need help with XXX
and similar is a lot more time consuming that it needs to be.
Reading the lists of file directories would be another example. The left
side of the list will contain continuous repetition.
Would anyone else think a facility to compact down repeated characters on
successive lines in lists would be useful with some appropriate speech to
indicate the number of chars that were currently in common?
automatically jumping passed a number of lines with a number of words in
common whilst holding shift so they can be selected and deleted would be
useful as well.

The add-ons manager could give a button to check for release notes rather
than inviting us to install the add-on without knowing what has changed.
Also an easy way to track down the developer would be really useful.
It would be good for the main NVDA update dialogue to have a button to read
release notes as well.

I don't need it right now but there have been times in the passed where it
would have been really useful to be able to trigger NVDA commands from a
user configurable menu of commands rather than having to look them up in the
manual. Trying to remember the keystrokes for drag-and-drop would be an
example that comes to mind.

Full context-free version of NVDA-1 help mode to find free keys that can be
assigned would be good.

Allow the NVDA hot key mechanism to be used for the user to fire up specific
applications or find and bring specific applications in to the foreground. I
find the Windows 7 hot keys do not work correctly for me. I'd rather use
NVDA than looking for an accessible third party app.

I often find the NVDA updater errors although the update always seems to
have worked.

In app sleep mode, NVDA shift s, it would be better if the alt-tabbing to
the app still speaks the window title rather than saying nothing. I haven't
tried using an app triggered profile with speech turned off but I suspect
the same thing would happen.

When auto say all when opening a new document like web pages, could it
please be done in a way that causes the cursor to be left in the current
read position when a key is hit to stop the reading.
I always stop the auto read and hit NVDA-down to start it again so that the
cursor will be left in the correct position when I stop it.

I frequently turn off num-lock to use object or screen navigation and forget
to turn it on again. Later I start typing numbers, possibly while on the
phone and don't realise that they are not actually being entered. A timer
that would automatically turn num-lock on again (or off is that is your
default) would be really good.

Best wishes,
David


Re: MS Word focus issues when revising documents and their comments

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

Sorry for the long delay! 

Checking UIA does seem to fix all the problems. This worries me because it's an advanced option that many users wouldn't feel comfortable touching (if they even know it exists) and, as far as I can tell, is not documented anywhere as a necessary step. 

Aside from this post being searchable now, how would other users maybe not on this list find out how to fix this problem? 

Lastly, I forgot to include in my original explanation that using F6 and Shift + F6 did not help me escape the twilight pane either. 

Thank you for helping me get to a solution. It has made my work so much more efficient and less infuriating!

I hope that soon this solution can be either clearly documented or safely incorporated into default settings. 

warmly,
Sally 

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:16 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sally,

I haven't tried "No markup" much, but just looking now, with that set, when you create a comment, it takes you to a pane on the left (at least in Office 365).  I found pressing shift+f6 moved back to the document reliably just now.  

I couldn't replicate scenario 2 myself.

Are you using UI Automation in Word?  Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings, then control+shift+tab to move to the last section, "advanced".  Press spacebar to acknowledge the warning, then tab to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls" and spacebar to check that.  Apply and see if that makes a difference.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:27 AM Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...> wrote:
Hello list,

Apologies if this has been reported somewhere already but it doesn't look like this specific issue is up on GitHub yet and I'm curious if anyone else has seen it before I try to add it.

I amn running 
-Microsoft® Word 2019 MSO (16.0.10378.20029) 64-bit
-Windows 10 Pro: Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.1288)
-NVDA 2021.2

I am unable to consistently switch focus between the document and comments either to read or edit. Additionally, I cannot seem to focus replies to my comments except through the elements list.

Two different things can go wrong and seem to be impacted by two different settings in MS Word and NVDA. 

Scenario 1: 
I open a document containing both tracked changes and comments. I prefer to make edits with my markup set to "no markup" so that I do not have to hear every deletion or insertion as I read and type. 

This works just fine for making changes to the text. However, if I want to comment on the text that is in "no markup" I often but not always end up stuck in some kind of pane. 

Steps to reproduce: 
1. Open a document containing both tracked changes and comments. Ensure that track changes is on and that show markup is set to "no markup." 
2. Select some text and insert a comment. It doesn't make a difference if you use CTRL + Alt + M or ALT +r+c. 
3. Write a comment and then press ESC to return to the document. 
4. Instead of the document, you hear something that sounds like portions of HTML or XML tags, letters or portions of the author name, or less than signs. Sometimes a comments pane is visible and sometimes it isn't. Getting a sighted user to click the comments pane closed has no effect. Pressing ESC makes NVDA read a "Refresh" button and then returns you to the strange pane with tags in it. ALT + R no longer works (it plays the error ding) but pressing ALT alone does allow you to get into the revision part of the ribbon which still tells you it can be reached by pressing r. Sometimes the ribbon seems to be collapsed in a way that requires me to hit "enter" on the "Tracking" section before I can arrow and tab through the various tracking options. These options appear to be in slightly different positions as well based on what gets read when using arrow keys to navigate. 

The only solution seems to be to click the mouse in the document pane multiple times and then the cursor is always brought to the top of the document regardless of where you had highlighted text for your comment. At this point the ribbon goes back to normal behavior too. 

This pane and focus issue happens less often if you set show markup to "all markup." However, it happens even with all markup shown, just less frequently.

I can read existing comments in the elements list or using NVDA + ALT + C but only if my focus is in the documents pane. When I get stuck in this other pane, the elements list is also focused on that pane and at best shows me any typos in my comments text. At worst, it shows me nothing.

Also, the elements list and NVDA + Alt + C do not give me a way to edit existing comments, as far as I can tell. 

Scenario 2: 
Open the same kind of document with the same tracking and markup settings as above. 
1. Using ALT + R + V or ALT +  R+  P, try to move between comments (so that you can edit them). 
2. Instead of bringing you to the text of the comment, you hear NVDA reading the title bar , saying Tollbar, then saying Pane. It alternates among these three quickly enough that it often interrupts full reading of the title bar. It will keep alternating among these three focus points indefinitely and none of the hotkeys to speak current focus work. They simply have no impact on NVDA reading the three different points of focus. 
3. Press ESC to successfully return to the document at the text that is highlighted for the comment you were trying to read. However you were never able to edit that comment. 

Has anyone else experienced this or things like this? 

Is it just impossible to use comments in conjunction with show markup set to "no markup?" 

Aside from the elements list, is there any other way to access replies to comments or to create a reply to a comment? That seems to have vanished from MS Word and the context menu somewhere between office 2010 and 2019.

If I'm going to pull logs and create a bug, I'd like to hear everything the list has to say first so that I can include it. 

Thank you!
Sally 



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Re: NVDA 2021.3 Beta 1 now available

Steve Nutt
 

Also, make sure the Preview Pane is turned off.

 

I don’t have Windows 11 yet, but I do know that with Windows 10, the preview pane makes File Explorer really laggy.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 28 October 2021 16:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 Beta 1 now available

 

Hi,

Regarding Windows 11 File explorer issue: is this also happening with 2021.2? If so, it is something Microsoft may need to backport to Windows 11 build 22000 sooner than later.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Does anyone know how to access the buttons/macros embedded in a Microsoft.xlsm spreadsheet with NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Try alt+f8

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From: Khalid Anwar
Sent: 29 October 2021 10:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does anyone know how to access the buttons/macros embedded in a Microsoft.xlsm spreadsheet with NVDA

 

Is there a way, such as a keyboard shortcut, to access the macros imbedded in Microsoft.XLSM spreadsheet file

 


Does anyone know how to access the buttons/macros embedded in a Microsoft.xlsm spreadsheet with NVDA

Khalid Anwar
 

Is there a way, such as a keyboard shortcut, to access the macros imbedded in Microsoft.XLSM spreadsheet file


problem with latest skype

Margus Ojaots
 

Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.


Re: NVDA 2021.3 Beta 1 now available

Gene
 

I don’t recall if it was discussed here before but a work around is to hold control when you move through the files and folders list.  Then, when you get to the thing you want, release control and up or down arrow once past it, then return so it and only it will be selected.  The person who tried the work around said it works.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 Beta 1 now available
 

Hi,

Regarding Windows 11 File explorer issue: is this also happening with 2021.2? If so, it is something Microsoft may need to backport to Windows 11 build 22000 sooner than later.

Cheers,

Joseph

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