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Re: problem with latest skype

Margus Ojaots
 

App. How can i get the desktop version for win 10?

2021-10-31 6:42 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is
it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I
can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self
it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to
do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to
the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go
down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top
version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version
is much nicer to use.


Gene nz


On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.









Re: problem with latest skype

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version is much nicer to use.


Gene nz

On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.




locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

mike mcglashon
 

Do I hear anyone pulling out an old ibm ps/2?

By the way, the keyboards on them were awesome, (nice and bouncy and durable);

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

Well, whatever works! As long as it gets you by while waiting for someone to come help you.  I had an IBM think pad but it had windows 95.  How’s that for  aintchent?  It must be strange using old xp. 

 

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From: Howard Traxler
Sent: October 30, 2021 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine

going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp,

JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow,

but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

 

Howard

 

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

> Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from

> Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to

> activate Narrator.

> On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

>> 

>>     If you have other ideas, please suggest.

>> 

>> -

>> Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a

>> Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool

>> to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/*

>> <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

>> 

>> You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process

>> involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you

>> to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with

>> the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your

>> account on the machine again.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>> 

>>          ~ John F. Kennedy

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Arlene
 

Well, whatever works! As long as it gets you by while waiting for someone to come help you.  I had an IBM think pad but it had windows 95.  How’s that for  aintchent?  It must be strange using old xp. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: October 30, 2021 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine

going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp,

JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow,

but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

 

Howard

 

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

> Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from

> Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to

> activate Narrator.

> On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

>> 

>>     If you have other ideas, please suggest.

>> 

>> -

>> Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a

>> Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool

>> to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/*

>> <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

>> 

>> You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process

>> involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you

>> to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with

>> the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your

>> account on the machine again.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>> 

>>          ~ John F. Kennedy

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp, JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow, but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

Howard

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to activate Narrator.


On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

If you have other ideas, please suggest.

-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/* <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.

--

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*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Sorry, we're drifting away from the original subject; but Brian, when I do this reinstall of windows, must I be connected to the internet?  At what point can I start my portable NVDA or narrator?

I went to ASUS website today and can't figure out how to get the drivers for this computer.  I left them an email; we'll see if they respond.

Howard

On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

If you have other ideas, please suggest.

-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/* <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.

--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 01:08 PM, John Isige wrote:
[Regardng boot order and USB devices] . . .UEFI comes with that by default, I think, or it had already been done.
-
John,

Nope.  I've never seen any machine that has, as the default setting, booting from anything except the system drive first in boot order.  Having USB first would be a PITA in many instances if someone has left a thumb drive or a USB external HDD connected and is booting up.  It would try to use either one of those and, if they are not bootable media, thing get stuck.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Watch this video to learn 3 methods for converting images into text with NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

I have recently posted a new video that shows three methods that you can use to convert your images into text. One method is paid and the other two are free. So check it out, and let me know what you think.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EYkrVRgzw&t=22s


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Brian, I have the Media Creation Tool and some instructions for it (though I don't really understand them) and have made a windows installation thumb drive.  I copied the text of your UEFI presentation ( hope the .JPGs there are not really necessary). Now I'll try to get drivers from the ASUS site.  Then I just wait until I can get sighted help to put it all together.

Howard

On 10/30/2021 12:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:

Do you need sighted assistance?

-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

John Isige
 

Ah I see. I figured that would be set up already, either because newer UEFI comes with that by default, I think, or it had already been done.


On 10/30/2021 12:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:
Do you need sighted assistance?
-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Making NVDA automatically read non-English characters.

John Isige
 

So I've got a friend on Twitter who wrote their username in runes. I
know Windows can deal with them, because they're part of the Unicode
charset. But their tweets show up with no username. That's not a
problem, but it got me curious.


Is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read characters like this? I
know there's an addon to tell you what characters are. I know some
synthesizers, e.g. the Vocalizer voices, can read some, e.g. Greek
letters on Wikipedia if you move character by character, whereas
Eloquence doesn't. Is there anything to do, like changing charset from
US or whatever, to get these to show up consistently? Obviously in this
case, it would spell the username character by character or something.
But right now, it looks like they have no username.


I'm actually less interested in getting it to show up in this specific
case than I am in the general problem. Basically, full access to the
Unicode charset, both reading and writing,  would be pretty awesome.


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:
Do you need sighted assistance?
-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

John Isige
 

Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to activate Narrator.


On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
If you have other ideas, please suggest.
-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest:  Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: ssl error with nvda update and nvda remote add-on

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Install the NVDA 2021.3 Beta version...
-
Or that.   So far, it seems to be working well.  Download link on this page:  https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta1/ 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: ssl error with nvda update and nvda remote add-on

Rui Fontes
 

Install the NVDA 2021.3 Beta version...


Rui Fontes


Às 16:49 de 30/10/2021, mslion escreveu:

Hello all,
Since a few days I am not able to check nvda updates add-on updates or
connect to my nvda remote instance. When looking in the logs it looks
like an ssl issue on the nv-access site. Anyone else familiar with
this? Is there a solution for this?

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel




Re: ssl error with nvda update and nvda remote add-on

 

Can't speak to the NVDA Remote part, though it could be related.  As far as NVDA updates, see:  Update Checking Error for NVDA and Add-On Updater - Root Cause Identified, Workaround Given, Problem solved in 2021.3
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


ssl error with nvda update and nvda remote add-on

mslion
 

Hello all,
Since a few days I am not able to check nvda updates add-on updates or
connect to my nvda remote instance. When looking in the logs it looks
like an ssl issue on the nv-access site. Anyone else familiar with
this? Is there a solution for this?

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
If you have other ideas, please suggest.
-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest:  Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Windows feature updates require manual invocation, they do not normally happen automatically and if the machine manages to get to the log-in screen, one of the shortcuts I mentioned previously should get Narrator speaking.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: 29 October 2021 20:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

Yup, I know that windows will update itself as soon as I connect to the

internet; but the first thing is to get it up and talking.

 

 

On 10/29/2021 2:01 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

>                 Hi

> If you haven’t used the computer in 6 years, Windows 10 will be

> totally out of date.  You can start Narrator with a shortcut key

> combination as soon as Windows is active.  The key combination is

> Control+Windows+Enter as of now but it may have been just

> Windows+Enter on the version you have.

> Cheers

> Chris

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

> Windows

> *From: *Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>

> *Sent: *29 October 2021 19:42

> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

> Thanks John.  That sure did work.  Tried it on my main machine and it

> works fine.

> Now the big problem is:

> I have another machine, a windows 10 computer that I bought about six

> years ago but never got it running; because I forgot the logon

> password.  I'm hoping that I can get it as far as asking for the

> password, then make it talk.  Gonna try this thumb drive or/and try

> narrator.

> If you have other ideas, please suggest.  I have found, downloaded, and

> set up a boot CD with a program that is supposed to let me take away the

> password.  But I need to make the machine talk or get a sighty to read

> the screen.  Well, maybe soon.

> Thanks again.

> Howard

> On 10/29/2021 12:57 PM, John Isige wrote:

> > You can't. Well, you can if you already have access to the machine and

> > install some third party software on it and make a script on your USB

> > drive, but that doesn't solve your problem. The easiest thing, I think,

> > would be to name your drive with a number, so in the volume label you'd

> > type something like 1nvda or whatever. Then to run it, you'd do the

> > following.

> >

> >

> > 1. insert drive into computer, wait for the noise that tells you it was

> > recognized.

> >

> >

> > 2. Hit windows-e to get into file explorer.

> >

> >

> > 3. Hit 1 to get to your drive.

> >

> >

> > 4. Hit enter to get into your drive.

> >

> >

> > At this point, you want to set up the contents of the drive so you have

> > a numbered file, like 1.bat. Have that file run NVDA. So when you're in

> > that drive, hit 1 and hit enter again, and you should have NVDA running.

> > So for example, suppose on your machine, the drive is e:. You make a

> > portable copy of NVDA at e:\nvda. Label e: as 1nvda or whatever, then go

> > into the drive. Make a file called 1.bat with text like so.

> >

> >

> > #echo off

> >

> > cd \nvda

> >

> > nvda

> >

> >

> > Then, slap the drive into a new machine, hit win-e, 1, enter, 1, enter.

> > NVDA should run.

> >

> >

> > On 10/29/2021 12:40 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

> >> I have been successful at making a portable copy of NVDA on a USB

> >> thumb drive.  I can navigatte to it on my main computer, then shut

> >> down the running NVDA, just hit the enter key and the portable copy

> >> starts.  I'd like to plug this thumb drive into a machine that has no

> >> screen reader and have it start automatically.  Can someone tell me

> >> how to make this happen?

> >>

> >> Thank you.

> >>

> >> Howard

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Optacon?

 

Not on topic.  Do not bring this up again.

Topic locked.
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