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NVDA and Outlook issue

Chris Tromborg
 
Edited

Hello, group:     

I am a long-time NVDA supporter and user.  For over a month, I have been participating in the NYPL classes featuring Chancy fleet that focus on introducing screen reader users to NVDA. 

Years ago, I used NVDA as a reliable portable speech program that could be loaded onto a thumb drive to be used when I was in the field and did not necessarily have access to a computer with speech already installed.  I thought so highly of NVDA that I became a monthly supporter, a commitment that I retain. 

I just joined this group and consequently noticed that there was a recent upgrade.  So, I installed the upgrade and now Outlook is angry with mefor being a way for so long. 

When I load Outlook, all seems normal.  However, whenever I attempt to reply, the program will not accept the characters: That key is not available or That function is not supported.  In any case, I cannot enter text into the Reply field.  Is there a setting that I am not aware of that must be invoked to correct this?  Any assistance will be appreciated. 

 

 

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Re: emails with screen shots

kristy stichter
 

it does thank you.

On 10/31/21, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
Hello Kristy,

just wondering whether there is a way of NVDA reading screen shots in
emails I am using the Gmail website with google chrome.

You can do a couple of things:

- Make sure that Chrome's image description feature is turned on. This
will allow images with text to be read out as you browse the web. To do
this, press the applications key or shift+f10, and up arrow to the image
descriptions. Press enter to turn it on, and confirm.
- You can also use the NVDA OCR feature. This is a great feature for
reading screenshots, but can also be used to read the content of an
inaccessible app window, for example. To use this feature, simply press
NVDA+r. Note that when I say the NVDA key, I am referring to the Insert
key
or the caps lock key if you have that enabled or are in Laptop keyboard
layout mode.


Thanks, hope this helps.


On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:00 AM kristy stichter <kristystichter8@...>
wrote:

Hi all
just wondering whether there is a way of NVDA reading screen shots in
emails I am using the Gmail website with google chrome.

Kristy





--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org <http://www.nvda-project.org>

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!






Re: emails with screen shots

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello Kristy,

just wondering whether there is a way of NVDA reading screen shots in
emails I am using the Gmail website with google chrome.
You can do a couple of things:
  • Make sure that Chrome's image description feature is turned on. This will allow images with text to be read out as you browse the web. To do this, press the applications key or shift+f10, and up arrow to the image descriptions. Press enter to turn it on, and confirm.
  • You can also use the NVDA OCR feature. This is a great feature for reading screenshots, but can also be used to read the content of an inaccessible app window, for example. To use this feature, simply press NVDA+r. Note that when I say the NVDA key, I am referring to the Insert key or the caps lock key if you have that enabled or are in Laptop keyboard layout mode.

Thanks, hope this helps.


On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:00 AM kristy stichter <kristystichter8@...> wrote:
Hi all
just wondering whether there is a way of NVDA reading screen shots in
emails I am using the Gmail website with google chrome.

Kristy







--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

Thank you, and have a great day!


emails with screen shots

kristy stichter
 

Hi all
just wondering whether there is a way of NVDA reading screen shots in
emails I am using the Gmail website with google chrome.

Kristy


Re: Making NVDA automatically read non-English characters.

Mohamed
 

If you know what the characters are, you could add them to the NVDA dictionary, or alternatively, you could also try the Unicode ASCII addon, which attempts to convert Unicode characters into an ASCII representation. https://nvda-addons.org/addon.php?id=234

On 10/30/2021 1:07 PM, John Isige wrote:
So I've got a friend on Twitter who wrote their username in runes. I
know Windows can deal with them, because they're part of the Unicode
charset. But their tweets show up with no username. That's not a
problem, but it got me curious.


Is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read characters like this? I
know there's an addon to tell you what characters are. I know some
synthesizers, e.g. the Vocalizer voices, can read some, e.g. Greek
letters on Wikipedia if you move character by character, whereas
Eloquence doesn't. Is there anything to do, like changing charset from
US or whatever, to get these to show up consistently? Obviously in this
case, it would spell the username character by character or something.
But right now, it looks like they have no username.


I'm actually less interested in getting it to show up in this specific
case than I am in the general problem. Basically, full access to the
Unicode charset, both reading and writing,  would be pretty awesome.





Re: problem with latest skype

Margus Ojaots
 

I installed it but the same problems. i see the chats tab but not the
chat list.

2021-10-31 9:45 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


You can grab it from the skype web site this links to the download page
where you can get the desk top version at
https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/

Gene nz


On 31/10/2021 7:37 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
App. How can i get the desktop version for win 10?

2021-10-31 6:42 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...>:
Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is
it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I
can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self
it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to
do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to
the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go
down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top
version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version
is much nicer to use.


Gene nz


On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.














Re: problem with latest skype

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


You can grab it from the skype web site this links to the download page where you can get the desk top version at https://www.skype.com/en/get-skype/

Gene nz

On 31/10/2021 7:37 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
App. How can i get the desktop version for win 10?

2021-10-31 6:42 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:
Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is
it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I
can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self
it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to
do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to
the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go
down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top
version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version
is much nicer to use.


Gene nz


On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.









Re: problem with latest skype

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

You can get the desktop skype from:

www.ninite.com

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App. How can i get the desktop version for win 10?

2021-10-31 6:42 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:
Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or
is it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version
which I can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its
self it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space
bar to do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to
get down to the chats section then either use the space bar or enter
key then go down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk
top version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top
version is much nicer to use.


Gene nz


On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.









Re: problem with latest skype

Margus Ojaots
 

App. How can i get the desktop version for win 10?

2021-10-31 6:42 GMT +02:00, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is
it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I
can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self
it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to
do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to
the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go
down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top
version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version
is much nicer to use.


Gene nz


On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.









Re: problem with latest skype

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which version of Skype it it? is it the app version on windows 10 or is it the desk top version for windows 10. There is another version which I can not remember it was.


Most people use the desk top version but when you go into Skype its self it is not changing into browse mode so use the nvda key + space bar to do this. When it is in that mode you can use the letter F to get down to the chats section then either use the space bar or enter key then go down the page to read what is there.


The letter F will take you to form tabs, form fields etc in the desk top version.

take

the app version you need to do a lot of tabbing so the desk top version is much nicer to use.


Gene nz

On 29/10/2021 5:04 pm, Margus Ojaots wrote:
Hello. I have a problem with the lattest skype update. Once i open
skype, I can't see my recent chats.




locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

mike mcglashon
 

Do I hear anyone pulling out an old ibm ps/2?

By the way, the keyboards on them were awesome, (nice and bouncy and durable);

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

Well, whatever works! As long as it gets you by while waiting for someone to come help you.  I had an IBM think pad but it had windows 95.  How’s that for  aintchent?  It must be strange using old xp. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: October 30, 2021 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine

going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp,

JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow,

but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

 

Howard

 

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

> Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from

> Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to

> activate Narrator.

> On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

>> 

>>     If you have other ideas, please suggest.

>> 

>> -

>> Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a

>> Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool

>> to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/*

>> <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

>> 

>> You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process

>> involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you

>> to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with

>> the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your

>> account on the machine again.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>> 

>>          ~ John F. Kennedy

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Arlene
 

Well, whatever works! As long as it gets you by while waiting for someone to come help you.  I had an IBM think pad but it had windows 95.  How’s that for  aintchent?  It must be strange using old xp. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: October 30, 2021 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Portable NVDA

 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine

going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp,

JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow,

but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

 

Howard

 

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

> Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from

> Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to

> activate Narrator.

> On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

>> 

>>     If you have other ideas, please suggest.

>> 

>> -

>> Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a

>> Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool

>> to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/*

>> <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

>> 

>> You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process

>> involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you

>> to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with

>> the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your

>> account on the machine again.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

>> 

>>          ~ John F. Kennedy

>> 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

An example:  While I'm awaiting sighted help to get this ASUS machine going, I brought out my 15-year old IBM thinkpad that has windows xp, JAWS 15, NVDA 2017, and some old firefox.  Not current, and it's slow, but it keeps me going temporarily.  How about that?

Howard

On 10/30/2021 11:35 AM, John Isige wrote:

Do you need sighted assistance? You can generate install media from Windows, and when you boot from the media, you should be able to activate Narrator.


On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

If you have other ideas, please suggest.

-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/* <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.

--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Sorry, we're drifting away from the original subject; but Brian, when I do this reinstall of windows, must I be connected to the internet?  At what point can I start my portable NVDA or narrator?

I went to ASUS website today and can't figure out how to get the drivers for this computer.  I left them an email; we'll see if they respond.

Howard

On 10/30/2021 10:14 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 02:42 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:

If you have other ideas, please suggest.

-
Given the history of this machine, I would suggest: */Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive/* <https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1XBakbeS4WYPN3-O5ET5HIQO_Qey-g3XK>

You will end up needing sighted assistance because this process involves some "pre-Windows being active" steps.   But it allows you to wipe the machine completely clean and start entirely afresh with the latest version of Windows.  You'll even have to set up your account on the machine again.

--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 01:08 PM, John Isige wrote:
[Regardng boot order and USB devices] . . .UEFI comes with that by default, I think, or it had already been done.
-
John,

Nope.  I've never seen any machine that has, as the default setting, booting from anything except the system drive first in boot order.  Having USB first would be a PITA in many instances if someone has left a thumb drive or a USB external HDD connected and is booting up.  It would try to use either one of those and, if they are not bootable media, thing get stuck.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Watch this video to learn 3 methods for converting images into text with NVDA

TheeQuinn Public
 

I have recently posted a new video that shows three methods that you can use to convert your images into text. One method is paid and the other two are free. So check it out, and let me know what you think.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49EYkrVRgzw&t=22s


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Brian, I have the Media Creation Tool and some instructions for it (though I don't really understand them) and have made a windows installation thumb drive.  I copied the text of your UEFI presentation ( hope the .JPGs there are not really necessary). Now I'll try to get drivers from the ASUS site.  Then I just wait until I can get sighted help to put it all together.

Howard

On 10/30/2021 12:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:

Do you need sighted assistance?

-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*

         ~ John F. Kennedy


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

John Isige
 

Ah I see. I figured that would be set up already, either because newer UEFI comes with that by default, I think, or it had already been done.


On 10/30/2021 12:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:
Do you need sighted assistance?
-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Making NVDA automatically read non-English characters.

John Isige
 

So I've got a friend on Twitter who wrote their username in runes. I
know Windows can deal with them, because they're part of the Unicode
charset. But their tweets show up with no username. That's not a
problem, but it got me curious.


Is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read characters like this? I
know there's an addon to tell you what characters are. I know some
synthesizers, e.g. the Vocalizer voices, can read some, e.g. Greek
letters on Wikipedia if you move character by character, whereas
Eloquence doesn't. Is there anything to do, like changing charset from
US or whatever, to get these to show up consistently? Obviously in this
case, it would spell the username character by character or something.
But right now, it looks like they have no username.


I'm actually less interested in getting it to show up in this specific
case than I am in the general problem. Basically, full access to the
Unicode charset, both reading and writing,  would be pretty awesome.


locked Re: Making Portable NVDA

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:34 PM, John Isige wrote:
Do you need sighted assistance?
-
Yes.   Doing a completely clean reinstall involves changing the boot order in UEFI/BIOS to look for the USB media first in that order.  There is no screen reader support without an operating system (regardless of the operating system) so one needs sighted assistance on the rare occasions where one needs to deal with UEFI/BIOS.

Normally I'd suggest doing a Repair Install/Feature Update using the same media, but you must be able to boot into Windows 10 in order to do that.  And since this computer has not been fired up in years, and the password cannot be remembered (presuming it uses a local account - if it uses a Microsoft Account, you can change the password for that account on Microsoft.com and the change propagates down provided you're connected to the internet when you boot), and it has an ancient version of Windows 10 it just makes more sense to do what we in the business call a "Nuke and Pave" and have what amounts to an "out of the box" experience with the machine immediately afterward.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 

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