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Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Gene
 

I was wrong.  Include layout tables is still available as a setting.  It is in the browse mode settings.  I was only looking in the document formatting settings.  I assume it means,if checked, that you will be notified when you come across a table used in formatting a page and as I said, the table in question isn’t a layout table.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird
 
Why do you use such a cumnbersome way of checking a message?  You could read by line if you want to move by segment through the message.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 7:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird
 
Running the latest released version of NVDA and Thunderbird on the lates
version of Win 10.  After typing a new message in thunderbird I use
control left and right arrow to review what I have typed.  As I do this
each word is spoken up until you get to the last word at the end of the
message and at that point NVDA only says the first letter of that last
word.  No big deal but kind of strange.





Re: NVDA and thunderbird

Gene
 

Why do you use such a cumnbersome way of checking a message?  You could read by line if you want to move by segment through the message.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 7:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and thunderbird
 
Running the latest released version of NVDA and Thunderbird on the lates
version of Win 10.  After typing a new message in thunderbird I use
control left and right arrow to review what I have typed.  As I do this
each word is spoken up until you get to the last word at the end of the
message and at that point NVDA only says the first letter of that last
word.  No big deal but kind of strange.





Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Gene
 

Layout tables appears to no longer be in the settings.  But if you have it, it has nothing to do with this problem and if you chec it, you will get verbosity you probably don’t want.  It means to announce when a layout table, used for formatting, is encountered.  This table isn’t a layout table.  It has nothing to do with formatting the page or part of it.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jujube
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] supressing announcement of row and column in a web table
 
Hi, you could try disabling all table reading in document settings and then going into browse mode settings and turning on "include layout tables". That may or may not work I guess. Otherwise, this could just be due to the design of the tables themselves which I don't think we can get around as screen reader users. HOpe this helps.
 
On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:46 PM Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a
very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item,
price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason,
marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading
messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the
nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of
column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't
find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I
want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight
down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to
hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not
needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary








NVDA and thunderbird

Don H
 

Running the latest released version of NVDA and Thunderbird on the lates version of Win 10. After typing a new message in thunderbird I use control left and right arrow to review what I have typed. As I do this each word is spoken up until you get to the last word at the end of the message and at that point NVDA only says the first letter of that last word. No big deal but kind of strange.


Re: About Accessibility improvements in Libre Office if you can inform

Jason White
 

On 26/10/21 21:44, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thanks for asking!  We have recently started working a little closer with some interested developers from the LibreOffice community.  So we are hopeful of improvements coming down the pipeline.
That's good news. I hope this work will, as a side effect, benefit the accessibility of the Linux version of LibreOffice as well.


Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Jujube
 

Hi, you could try disabling all table reading in document settings and then going into browse mode settings and turning on "include layout tables". That may or may not work I guess. Otherwise, this could just be due to the design of the tables themselves which I don't think we can get around as screen reader users. HOpe this helps.


On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:46 PM Mary Otten <maryotten@...> wrote:
I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a
very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item,
price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason,
marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading
messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the
nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of
column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't
find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I
want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight
down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to
hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not
needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary








Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Mary Otten
 

Interesting about the movement commands. ;In that table I've been talking about, where each item in the grid is labeled as a heading level 3, with headings unchecked, I can not move by headings in that table, not that I want to. But On another page, those commands still work as expected. I'm not sure what might be "special" about those heading level 3s, but they are not recognized if I try moving with h to move from heading to heading. No big deal; I see no reason for them to be there in the first place.


Mary


On 10/31/2021 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:
If you mean by recognition, that using the letter t won’t work, it has nothing to do with that.  All such settings are for spoken announcements and all movement commands wwork as they did before.  For example, I can turn off if I turn off heading announcements and all movement by heading commands still work.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] supressing announcement of row and column in a web table
 
Thanks. I saw that item but thought it would disable the recognition of
tables, and I didn't want that, as I need to find the table and then
navigate my chosen column. Guess I should have just tried it first
rather than assuming.


Mary


On 10/31/2021 3:52 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Have a look under the document formating section /menu then go down to
> tables and uncheck that box it will stop that.
>
>
> It will just read as normal.
>
>
> I think it is in the beta release you can use a gesture to turn it on
> and off when required if set. Maybe it could of been in there earlier.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 1/11/2021 11:46 am, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in
>> a very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand,
>> item, price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some
>> reason, marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the
>> heading messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of
>> headings in the nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned
>> off the reading of column and row headings, although that didn't do
>> anything, and I can't find a way to stop the announcement of row and
>> column numbers either. I want to just get into the column that lists
>> the items and go straight down with control alt down arrow, and when
>> I do that, I do not want to hear row such and such, column such and
>> such, as it is totally not needed in this situation. Is there a way
>> to do this?
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Gene
 

If you mean by recognition, that using the letter t won’t work, it has nothing to do with that.  All such settings are for spoken announcements and all movement commands wwork as they did before.  For example, I can turn off if I turn off heading announcements and all movement by heading commands still work.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] supressing announcement of row and column in a web table
 
Thanks. I saw that item but thought it would disable the recognition of
tables, and I didn't want that, as I need to find the table and then
navigate my chosen column. Guess I should have just tried it first
rather than assuming.


Mary


On 10/31/2021 3:52 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> Have a look under the document formating section /menu then go down to
> tables and uncheck that box it will stop that.
>
>
> It will just read as normal.
>
>
> I think it is in the beta release you can use a gesture to turn it on
> and off when required if set. Maybe it could of been in there earlier.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 1/11/2021 11:46 am, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in
>> a very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand,
>> item, price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some
>> reason, marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the
>> heading messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of
>> headings in the nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned
>> off the reading of column and row headings, although that didn't do
>> anything, and I can't find a way to stop the announcement of row and
>> column numbers either. I want to just get into the column that lists
>> the items and go straight down with control alt down arrow, and when
>> I do that, I do not want to hear row such and such, column such and
>> such, as it is totally not needed in this situation. Is there a way
>> to do this?
>>
>>
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Mary Otten
 

Thanks. I saw that item but thought it would disable the recognition of tables, and I didn't want that, as I need to find the table and then navigate my chosen column. Guess I should have just tried it first rather than assuming.


Mary

On 10/31/2021 3:52 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi


Have a look under the document formating section /menu then go down to tables and uncheck that box it will stop that.


It will just read as normal.


I think it is in the beta release you can use a gesture to turn it on and off when required if set. Maybe it could of been in there earlier.


Gene nz


On 1/11/2021 11:46 am, Mary Otten wrote:
I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item, price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason, marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary









Re: ssl error with nvda update and nvda remote add-on

Quentin Christensen
 

The add-on should still work, but it's probably easiest now to simply recommend installing the beta - because of our continuous alpha branch which seems well tested by a number of users, the beta version is generally pretty stable - and of course if there IS an issue, then it's important we find out about it (and once you run it and check for updates, the SSL error should be fixed so even if you needed to revert to 2021.2, the check for updates bug at least should be fixed.

Quentin.

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:20 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 12:03 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Install the NVDA 2021.3 Beta version...
-
Or that.   So far, it seems to be working well.  Download link on this page:  https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta1/ 
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 



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Training and Support Manager


Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Gene
 

If you turn off everything regarding tables, you shouldn’t hear such information.  Let us know if you do.  And if you still do, please send the link to the page so others can see what they hear, unless the page can’t be looked at by people in general. 
 
I’m not sure the table off commands always work properly.  Sometimes, I hear table information when I am in a subfolder in Windows Explorer when I shouldn’t.  That’s in Windows 7, so it may be that for some reason, turning off that information may not work in the table you are in.  This may need further checking by others.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] supressing announcement of row and column in a web table
 
I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a
very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item,
price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason,
marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading
messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the
nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of
column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't
find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I
want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight
down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to
hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not
needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary







Re: supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Have a look under the document formating section /menu then go down to tables and uncheck that box it will stop that.


It will just read as normal.


I think it is in the beta release you can use a gesture to turn it on and off when required if set. Maybe it could of been in there earlier.


Gene nz

On 1/11/2021 11:46 am, Mary Otten wrote:
I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item, price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason, marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary






Re: braille code

Quentin Christensen
 

You can set NVDA's Braille tables for input and output, as well as other options, on the "Braille" settings page.  Press NVDA+control+g, then control+tab to Braille, and tab through the options.

NVDA uses LibLouis for our Braille tables, and you can find out more about LibLouis from their site (which also links to their GitHub site): http://liblouis.org/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 8:26 AM Pierpaolo Tieri account ufficiale <pierpaolotieriofficial@...> wrote:
Hi Marinos,
I'm Italian if you want, you can contact me I can help you with Italian
language. Thanks, Pierpaolo Tieri.
Il 29/10/2021 22:36, marinos.poulimas ha scritto:
> Good evening to all and to all
> I would like some help for braille
> Question How can I find the for the following languages?
> Italian Spanish French German
>
> anyone who knows where can i find the code written the alphabet of
> these languages to send me information
>
> marinos greece
>
>
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: ADON HELP PLEASE

Gene
 

I think it usually works in browse mode but not always.
 
Gebne

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 
Playing arouhnd with this further, when in browse mode, this may not always work.  I haven’t played with this much, but it appears that at times, the object navigator position doesn’t always track the browse mode virtual cursor properly.  I haven’t played with this enough to know how often that happens and if it varies on different web pages.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 
Using object navigation and using the default setting of the object navigator following your position, it does work. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 

That actually does not work for me as my review curser is not where my cursor let’s say in word is or in brave. I’m too used to mac os where I have all cursers following each other, mouse, editing, etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

I do not think an add on is necessary.

When I am on a letter I am not sure of, I press the 2 on the numpad twice, quickly.  So if I am on the letter b and press                                  numpad 2 twice quickly, nvda will say bravo.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Thacker
Sent: October 31, 2021 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

Evening, I often get mixed up between for instance b and d. How do I install the addon which will phonetically tell me whether the letter is for instance, B for Bravo or D for Deta? Thanks for any help, Cheers, Steve T

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


supressing announcement of row and column in a web table

Mary Otten
 

I visit a grocery store website which has its sale items laid out in a very nice table, with columns headed things like location, brand, item, price etc. In addition, each item in the table is, for some reason, marked as a heading level 3. I can stop the readout of the heading messages by temporarily shutting off the reporting of headings in the nvda settings for elements grouping. I also turned off the reading of column and row headings, although that didn't do anything, and I can't find a way to stop the announcement of row and column numbers either. I want to just get into the column that lists the items and go straight down with control alt down arrow, and when I do that, I do not want to hear row such and such, column such and such, as it is totally not needed in this situation. Is there a way to do this?


Mary


Re: ADON HELP PLEASE

Gene
 

Playing arouhnd with this further, when in browse mode, this may not always work.  I haven’t played with this much, but it appears that at times, the object navigator position doesn’t always track the browse mode virtual cursor properly.  I haven’t played with this enough to know how often that happens and if it varies on different web pages.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 
Using object navigation and using the default setting of the object navigator following your position, it does work. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 

That actually does not work for me as my review curser is not where my cursor let’s say in word is or in brave. I’m too used to mac os where I have all cursers following each other, mouse, editing, etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

I do not think an add on is necessary.

When I am on a letter I am not sure of, I press the 2 on the numpad twice, quickly.  So if I am on the letter b and press                                  numpad 2 twice quickly, nvda will say bravo.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Thacker
Sent: October 31, 2021 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

Evening, I often get mixed up between for instance b and d. How do I install the addon which will phonetically tell me whether the letter is for instance, B for Bravo or D for Deta? Thanks for any help, Cheers, Steve T

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: ADON HELP PLEASE

Gene
 

Using object navigation and using the default setting of the object navigator following your position, it does work. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE
 

That actually does not work for me as my review curser is not where my cursor let’s say in word is or in brave. I’m too used to mac os where I have all cursers following each other, mouse, editing, etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

I do not think an add on is necessary.

When I am on a letter I am not sure of, I press the 2 on the numpad twice, quickly.  So if I am on the letter b and press                                  numpad 2 twice quickly, nvda will say bravo.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Thacker
Sent: October 31, 2021 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

Evening, I often get mixed up between for instance b and d. How do I install the addon which will phonetically tell me whether the letter is for instance, B for Bravo or D for Deta? Thanks for any help, Cheers, Steve T

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: NVDA and Outlook issue

Sarah k Alawami
 

Now it’s time to find out what add on broke your outlook. Try restarting with one add on at a time until you figure out what is the cause of the bug.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Tromborg
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook issue

 

Thanks for the ideas.  I restarted NVDA with the Add-Ons removed option and this fixed the problem.  After restarting the program cleanly the problem had completely disappeared. 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Outlook issue

 

Chris,

Whether or not you intend to try reporting an issue via GitHub, following The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues
is a valuable thing to try just because it may allow you to isolate a possible cause.  I don't know what add-ons you may be using, but starting with add-ons disabled to see if one of them is playing up should be on your short list of diagnostic steps.

Someone else may have a very clear idea of what may be going on based on your description, but I don't.  But following those instructions allows you to get a much better handle on the situation and whether it's more likely to be NVDA-related or something else.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: ADON HELP PLEASE

Sarah k Alawami
 

That actually does not work for me as my review curser is not where my cursor let’s say in word is or in brave. I’m too used to mac os where I have all cursers following each other, mouse, editing, etc.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 2:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

I do not think an add on is necessary.

When I am on a letter I am not sure of, I press the 2 on the numpad twice, quickly.  So if I am on the letter b and press                                  numpad 2 twice quickly, nvda will say bravo.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Stephen Thacker
Sent: October 31, 2021 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] ADON HELP PLEASE

 

Evening, I often get mixed up between for instance b and d. How do I install the addon which will phonetically tell me whether the letter is for instance, B for Bravo or D for Deta? Thanks for any help, Cheers, Steve T

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Basic HTML

kristy stichter
 

not a problem. I hope that works for you as that's what I am using now

On 11/1/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
Kristy, thanks. I have already bookmarked the basic HTML page as
suggested before.

On 10/31/21, kristy stichter <kristystichter8@...> wrote:
sorry for any mistakes
I mean that's what I did anyway in the previous message

I hope it helps

Kristy

On 11/1/21, Kristy Stichter <kristystichter8@...> wrote:
Hi Nevzat
this is what I did
I went into gmail when it was standard, then went to settings, typed
in html, clicked on the first article, which says something along the
lines of view as html
or try this link
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/1pq68r75kzvdr/?v%3Dlui

if you want it to load permenantly in html add that link to bookmarks
and it will always load that's what I did anyway

Kristyhope this helps if you need any more help please feel free to
email me and I will do my best to help you.


On 11/1/21, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@...> wrote:
Hi group,

I recently bought a new computer and I cannot make my gmail to
permanently appearr as HTML.
I can go to focus mode by pressing NVDA+spacebar and than shift+tab to
find HTML, but I am unable to make it permanent so that I want have to
do that each time. Is there way to do just that?
Any help will be very much appreciated.

--
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Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@...
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader










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Library of Congress Certified
Literary Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@...
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader





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