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Re: NVDA + Windows Live Mail

Gene
 

I use Windows Live Mail and I seem to recall some sort of problem of the sort.  One way around it, where things speak, is to select the messages or hbe on the single message you want to move, open the context menu, and press enter on move.  A dialog will come up that is accessible. 
 
the short cut in the context menu for move is the letter v so you can also open the context menu and type v to open the dialog. 
 
the description is for the ribbon version of the program but I think it applies to the earlier version as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 4:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA + Windows Live Mail
 
Hi. First time post here. My father is blind and using NVDA with Windows Live Mail. The keystrokes Alt+M followed by I+M (for him to move an email to a subfolder) are spoken, however NVDA doesn't speak the drop down menu of subfolders so he can't navigate the choices. Does anyone know of an alternative option to move emails to subfolders, or to get NVDA to speak the subfolder list? With thanks in advance. James


Re: Tables in Outlook 2016

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I too am interested in this. The reading experience in outlook with NVDA is not great.

 

With HTML Emails, Say All works as expected, so you hear the whole Email, but with text Emails it doesn’t. So you only hear the first line of the Email and have to do a say all, or read it however you want.

 

Narrator’s reading experience with outlook, especially with Experimental Improvements for Outlook switched on is much better, and more akin to the JAWS reading experience.

 

I do have some hope for you though.

 

Create a profile just for Outlook, and turn off table recognition, then it will only be turned off in outlook.

 

All the best


Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 04 November 2021 13:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tables in Outlook 2016

 

Quentin,

 

What causes NVDA to repeatedly announce “Out of Table, Out of Table Out of table” in emails with a table structure?

 

Can this be stopped without turning off Table Recognition in document settings?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

 

HI everyone,

 

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

 

Changes from Beta 1 include:

- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,

- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA

- updated User Guide

- updated translations.

 

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Re: NVDA + Windows Live Mail

 

Moderator's Note:  I allowed this post to go live just in case someone happens to know the answer to getting NVDA to speak when the noted commands are issued.

Windows Live Mail is out of support, has been out of support for years, and there are multiple reports of it becoming more and more problematic.  Your father would be wise to switch to Thunderbird, webmail, or another email client that remains in current support.
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NVDA + Windows Live Mail

James Johnson
 

Hi. First time post here. My father is blind and using NVDA with Windows Live Mail. The keystrokes Alt+M followed by I+M (for him to move an email to a subfolder) are spoken, however NVDA doesn't speak the drop down menu of subfolders so he can't navigate the choices. Does anyone know of an alternative option to move emails to subfolders, or to get NVDA to speak the subfolder list? With thanks in advance. James


Re: Tables in Outlook 2016

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Quentin,

 

What causes NVDA to repeatedly announce “Out of Table, Out of Table Out of table” in emails with a table structure?

 

Can this be stopped without turning off Table Recognition in document settings?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

 

HI everyone,

 

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

 

Changes from Beta 1 include:

- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,

- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA

- updated User Guide

- updated translations.

 

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Training and Support Manager

 




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Re: Acapela voices - do they continuously work offline

Daniel McGee
 

Hi Josh, thanks for this. It is good to know.

 

Regards

 

Daniel

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: 03 November 2021 14:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Acapela voices - do they continuously work offline

 

yes I have acapela voices and they do work offline.


Re: NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

do you think that in NVDA 2021.3rc we will already have the translation updates in brazilian portuguese?

Em qui., 4 de nov. de 2021 às 07:50, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

HI everyone,

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

Changes from Beta 1 include:
- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,
- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA
- updated User Guide
- updated translations.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 now available

Quentin Christensen
 

HI everyone,

NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 is now available for testing! https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/

Changes from Beta 1 include:
- Restored compatibility for Add-ons using isInMessageBox,
- Braille displays now update when typing text if using MS Word with UIA
- updated User Guide
- updated translations.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: About "speak command keys " option

Arlene
 

It doesn’t matter to me. I say that’s good for people who are new to NVDA. Or newly blind.  I just get used to hearing it and just go about my day and ignore it.   Lol 

 

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From: Gene
Sent: November 3, 2021 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option

 

I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 

 

A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: bering.p

Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM

Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option

 

Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.

Best regards.

Paul.

 


Re: About "speak command keys " option

Daniel Gartmann <dgartmann@...>
 

 

Yes. I agree with you, Paul.

 

Daniel

 


Re: About "speak command keys " option

Gene
 

Yes, the same thing happens here. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hello.
Thank you for your answer.
But I struggled to ask my question.
I just wanted to know if you are seeing the same problem regardless of whether it is deemed useful or not.
For information, I am the author of an add-on which allows selective announcement of command keys and which makes the basic function of NVDA less verbose.
Best regards.
paul.

Paul.
Le 03/11/2021 17:27, Gene a écrit :
I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 
 
A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.


Re: About "speak command keys " option

bering.p
 

Hello.
Thank you for your answer.
But I struggled to ask my question.
I just wanted to know if you are seeing the same problem regardless of whether it is deemed useful or not.
For information, I am the author of an add-on which allows selective announcement of command keys and which makes the basic function of NVDA less verbose.
Best regards.
paul.

Paul.
Le 03/11/2021 17:27, Gene a écrit :

I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 
 
A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.
Best regards.
Paul.


Re: About "speak command keys " option

Gene
 

I have an opinion about why I don’t consider the feature useful to me.  I don’t have an opinion about the question asked nor do I assume how other people use the feature and what they may think of it, though I suspect some people don’t use it because of excessive verbosithy so that is an opinion.  I didn’t clearly say that I don’t have an opinion about the question asked.
 
Gene

------Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
I thought you didn’t have an opinion. It sounds like you have pretty strong opinions about this to me.

     David Goldfield
Assistive Technology Specialist
 
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On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 
 
A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.


Re: About "speak command keys " option

David Goldfield
 

I thought you didn’t have an opinion. It sounds like you have pretty strong opinions about this to me.

     David Goldfield
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.info

On Nov 3, 2021, at 12:27 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:


I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 
 
A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.


Re: About "speak command keys " option

Gene
 

I don’t have an opinion.  The behavior does occur but I don’t know if it matters to people.  I never use the command because it is so intrusive.  Every down arrow is spoken, every control left and right arrow is spoken and lots of other commands.  If I want to move to the right three words in a document, I hear control right arrow every time I issue the command. 
 
A far more important question may be, who uses this command and why is it important.  Would more people use it and find it useful if it were much more limited, such as if it announced home, end, tab, and such keys but not the amount of verbiage the command results in when it is on?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: bering.p
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 10:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] About "speak command keys " option
 
Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.


Re: Excel Dropdowns (i.e., submenu) - NVDA stops speaking after exiting these

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Heather,

 

I can duplicate your experience about NVDA not reading row and column title and we losing the ability to define them after use uia is checked.

 

Pranav

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Heather Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 3:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Dropdowns (i.e., submenu) - NVDA stops speaking after exiting these

 

Hi Jujube and Gene,
Thank you, Jujube, for your response. When I 
checked the "use UI automation with Excel," it did fix the issue that I described where NVDA stopped talking after choosing an item from a dropdown. Unfortunately, after I checked this checkbox, NVDA stopped reading column titles that I had defined using Excel's define name feature. I also could not press NVDA + Shift + C to set column titles or NVDA + Shift + R to set row titles. It just typed a C or R in the cell. 

Heather

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Dropdowns (i.e., submenu) - NVDA stops speaking after exiting these

 

Hi

 

If that works can you let us know.

 

Thanks Gene nz

 

On 3/11/2021 6:31 am, Heather Campbell wrote:

Hello everyone, 

I'm experiencing an issue when using NVDA 2021.2 to interact with dropdowns/submenus in an Excel file (Office 365). I can press Alt + Down Arrow to expand the list, Down Arrow to the desired option, and then press Enter. However, if I then try to navigate in the sheet, NVDA stops talking. If I Alt + Tab to a different window and then Alt + Tab back to the Excel file, NVDA starts speaking again. Has anyone else experienced this issue? Are there any work arounds? I'm using Windows 10, version 21H1.

Thank you!

Heather 


About "speak command keys " option

bering.p
 

Hi.
I would like your opinion on what I see.
I checked the "Speak command keys" checkbox in the NVDA "keyboard" settings.
When I type "nvda + F12", I can hear the command.
But when I type "nvda + F1" or "nvda + control + k", I don't fully hear the command. The window that opens stops the announcement of the command key.
I think this is not normal and that the command should be heard also in these cases.
What do you think about it?
Thank you.

Best regards.
Paul.


Re: Acapela voices - do they continuously work offline

Josh Kennedy
 

yes I have acapela voices and they do work offline.


In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyon,

The latest version of our In-Process blog is out, featuring news on NVDA 2021.3 Beta 1, info on the HID Braille Specification, the NVDACon call for topics, and a look at how to get the most out of Windows 10's Task Manager. All that and more here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-3rd-november-2021/

Quentin.
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Re: Excel Dropdowns (i.e., submenu) - NVDA stops speaking after exiting these

Heather Campbell
 

Thank you.


On Nov 2, 2021, at 6:13 PM, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:



Hi. One minor correction in that I’m actually the group owner of the Office Accessibility list. However, Alan’s contributions are invaluable.

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel Dropdowns (i.e., submenu) - NVDA stops speaking after exiting these

 

Heather,

If what's been offered here has still not gotten you the result you're looking for, consider joining the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group.  Alan Lemly, the group owner, is an Excel wiz and a number of other folks well versed in Excel participate there.
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