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Re: New member needing help

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Sir, I just wanted some advice. I don't want to depend on the touch screen of my device. Just as a matter of information, I suffer from depression and anxiety. And I didn't know what you're telling me.


----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler Spivey via groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 23:38
Subject: Re: [nvda] New member needing help

What you buy is up to you.
If you buy a standard qwerty keyboard, you can enter whatever language
you want.
That's handled by Windows, not NVDA. Tell Windows you want to write in
Spanish, and your keyboard will work.

If you want the Orbit Writer, you can assign gestures in NVDA's input
gestures to control it.
You can emulate Windows commands like Alt+F4 with NVDA in Input
Gestures, but you'll have to assign each one, and it asks you to enter
the gesture (which you need a keyboard for, though the tablet's built-in
keyboard might work).
If NVDA crashes, you can't simply press alt+ctrl+n like you can on a
regular keyboard to restart it, since NVDA is handling the Orbit Writer.
You'd have to restart it from the tablet.

I've tried one with NVDA, and For me, NVDA needs to be restarted every
time the Orbit Writer turns off to get it to work again, which could be
annoying.

On 11/10/2021 6:18 PM, Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:
> Hello everybody. I'm Viris Rodríguez and I live in Mexico City.
> About a month ago, I bought the InsideOne tablet manufactured by
> InsideVision. I thought I would be able to get used to the touch screen
> but I couldn't. Silly, I know.
> However, I don't want to give it back because I'm not gonna beg
> Freedomscientific nor Eurobraille. So, I've been looking for an external
> keyboard to control my tablet.
> I've recently found the orbit writer, which I really like. But,
> according to the user guide, it has no NVDA commands to control Windows.
> I've also checked some qwerty keyboards like the Macally FRcompactkey
> but I was told it only supported US English.
> As far as I know, NVDA supports several languages. Is it possible to
> configure NVDA to enter Spanish characters using a qwerty keyboard?
> Should I buy the orbit writer or a standard qwerty keyboard?
> I'm sorry to bother you. Any help would be really appreciated.
> Sincerely.
>


Re: Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Quentin Christensen
 

Rowen, without drifting this conversation off topic, yes, there is an issue for removing the config when uninstalling as well.

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:40 PM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

@Qchristensen's idea is very good, I am very happy to see the implementation of this pr. Another thing that is often talked about is that it is allowed to delete the configuration when uninstalling NVDA. I think this priority may be higher.



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Training and Support Manager
Re: New member needing help

Tyler Spivey
 

What you buy is up to you.
If you buy a standard qwerty keyboard, you can enter whatever language you want.
That's handled by Windows, not NVDA. Tell Windows you want to write in Spanish, and your keyboard will work.

If you want the Orbit Writer, you can assign gestures in NVDA's input gestures to control it.
You can emulate Windows commands like Alt+F4 with NVDA in Input Gestures, but you'll have to assign each one, and it asks you to enter the gesture (which you need a keyboard for, though the tablet's built-in keyboard might work).
If NVDA crashes, you can't simply press alt+ctrl+n like you can on a regular keyboard to restart it, since NVDA is handling the Orbit Writer. You'd have to restart it from the tablet.

I've tried one with NVDA, and For me, NVDA needs to be restarted every time the Orbit Writer turns off to get it to work again, which could be annoying.

On 11/10/2021 6:18 PM, Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:
Hello everybody. I'm Viris Rodríguez and I live in Mexico City.
About a month ago, I bought the InsideOne tablet manufactured by InsideVision. I thought I would be able to get used to the touch screen but I couldn't. Silly, I know.
However, I don't want to give it back because I'm not gonna beg Freedomscientific nor Eurobraille. So, I've been looking for an external keyboard to control my tablet.
I've recently found the orbit writer, which I really like. But, according to the user guide, it has no NVDA commands to control Windows. I've also checked some qwerty keyboards like the Macally FRcompactkey but I was told it only supported US English.
As far as I know, NVDA supports several languages. Is it possible to configure NVDA to enter Spanish characters using a qwerty keyboard?
Should I buy the orbit writer or a standard qwerty keyboard?
I'm sorry to bother you. Any help would be really appreciated.
Sincerely.
Newest NVDA and Vocalizer Voices?

Brian Buhrow
 

hello. When I began using NVDA some years ago, I purchased the Vocalizer addon for NVDA,
allowing me to use Eloquence and the Vocalizer voices from Codefactory. Recently, I was
prompted to install an NVDA update, but when I told the system to proceed, it informed me that
the newest version of NVDA is incompatible with the Vocalizer addon I purchased. For the
moment, I've delayed the update, but when searching around on the Web to find the latest
version of the Codefactory addon, it appears that there isn't one. I've seen a number of
versions that are "free" versions of these voices, but not the version I purchased.
So, what gives with the Codefactory voices? Are they stil supported and where should I go
to get the latest version of the addon if they are?

-thanks
-Brian
New member needing help

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Hello everybody. I'm Viris Rodríguez and I live in Mexico City.
About a month ago, I bought the InsideOne tablet manufactured by InsideVision. I thought I would be able to get used to the touch screen but I couldn't. Silly, I know.
However, I don't want to give it back because I'm not gonna beg Freedomscientific nor Eurobraille. So, I've been looking for an external keyboard to control my tablet.
I've recently found the orbit writer, which I really like. But, according to the user guide, it has no NVDA commands to control Windows. I've also checked some qwerty keyboards like the Macally FRcompactkey but I was told it only supported US English.
As far as I know, NVDA supports several languages. Is it possible to configure NVDA to enter Spanish characters using a qwerty keyboard?
Should I buy the orbit writer or a standard qwerty keyboard?
I'm sorry to bother you. Any help would be really appreciated.
Sincerely.
Re: Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Rowen Cary
 

@Qchristensen's idea is very good, I am very happy to see the implementation of this pr. Another thing that is often talked about is that it is allowed to delete the configuration when uninstalling NVDA. I think this priority may be higher.
Re: Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Gene
 

Its been opened since 2013.  I’m not hopeful.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?
 
There is an open issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113
 
Don't forget to make sure any ideas for implementation are captured on the issue - as and when someone works on a fix, they will check the comments on the issue, not necessarily in here.
 
Kind regards
 
Quentin.
 
On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:54 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I wouldn’t object to a default folder being offered if none is specified by the user.  And if one is specified, a subfolder should be created in that folder containing the files.  As things stand now, when a portable copy is made, if a folder is specified, the files are placed in that folder and if there are other files, the NVDA files are mixed with the other files.  No warning is given at any time in the creation dialog about this.  This is a longstanding problem and it is important that the behavior be changed.  I would think this would be a very easy change and it should be done either in the current version or in the next production version, if not in the betas.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowen Cary
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 7:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?
 

Many people who create a portable version of NVDA for the first time think that they have placed the files in a unified directory, but this is not the case. They will find that the newly created NVDA contains multiple files, which are scattered in a folder. this is bad.

 
 
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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Quentin Christensen
 

There is an open issue for this here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3113

Don't forget to make sure any ideas for implementation are captured on the issue - as and when someone works on a fix, they will check the comments on the issue, not necessarily in here.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:54 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I wouldn’t object to a default folder being offered if none is specified by the user.  And if one is specified, a subfolder should be created in that folder containing the files.  As things stand now, when a portable copy is made, if a folder is specified, the files are placed in that folder and if there are other files, the NVDA files are mixed with the other files.  No warning is given at any time in the creation dialog about this.  This is a longstanding problem and it is important that the behavior be changed.  I would think this would be a very easy change and it should be done either in the current version or in the next production version, if not in the betas.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowen Cary
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 7:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?
 

Many people who create a portable version of NVDA for the first time think that they have placed the files in a unified directory, but this is not the case. They will find that the newly created NVDA contains multiple files, which are scattered in a folder. this is bad.



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Gene
 

I wouldn’t object to a default folder being offered if none is specified by the user.  And if one is specified, a subfolder should be created in that folder containing the files.  As things stand now, when a portable copy is made, if a folder is specified, the files are placed in that folder and if there are other files, the NVDA files are mixed with the other files.  No warning is given at any time in the creation dialog about this.  This is a longstanding problem and it is important that the behavior be changed.  I would think this would be a very easy change and it should be done either in the current version or in the next production version, if not in the betas.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rowen Cary
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 7:32 PM
Subject: [nvda] Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?
 

Many people who create a portable version of NVDA for the first time think that they have placed the files in a unified directory, but this is not the case. They will find that the newly created NVDA contains multiple files, which are scattered in a folder. this is bad.
Can NVDA be placed in a default directory when creating a portable version?

Rowen Cary
 

Many people who create a portable version of NVDA for the first time think that they have placed the files in a unified directory, but this is not the case. They will find that the newly created NVDA contains multiple files, which are scattered in a folder. this is bad.
Re: NVDA error sound in beta version

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

thanks for the reply, i will test this option in the final version but i will not leave it enabled

Em qua., 10 de nov. de 2021 às 20:48, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

The main reason to turn on error sounds in the stable version is basically the same as for those using it in Alpha and Beta versions - ie testing and development.  There's no reason for most end users to enable it.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:40 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
thank you very much quentin, but do you think it would be nice to turn on the error sounds in the final version? I won't activate it because for me there's no reason, but I want to know if it would be nice to activate the error sounds in the final version

Em qua., 10 de nov. de 2021 às 19:40, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
In general, the error sound is played in Alpha and Beta versions of NVDA when an error is written to the log.  This is not played in the RC or stable builds, although the error will still be written to the log.  We have introduced an option in 2021.3 to enable that error sound in the stable version.

So why is the error sound played?  Essentially it is for developers (NVDA, add-on, or other program developers) to know that an error has been written to the log.  It is not really a feature aimed at end users, although more end users do encounter it with the beta versions.  It can be useful, but for an end user, the key criteria for "is this actually a problem?" is - ok the error sound played, but did it impact what you were doing?  If the sound hadn't played, would you even have noticed a problem?  Often something fails (which causes an error in the log) but NVDA will try something else which does work, so there is no impact on the function the user was attempting to use.  While we ideally wouldn't have any errors in regular use, what we really want to prioritise are issues which impact your ability to do something - whether or not an error was written.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:53 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, can you guys tell me why the NVDA error sound is played in beta or alpha version?



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA error sound in beta version

Quentin Christensen
 

The main reason to turn on error sounds in the stable version is basically the same as for those using it in Alpha and Beta versions - ie testing and development.  There's no reason for most end users to enable it.


On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:40 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
thank you very much quentin, but do you think it would be nice to turn on the error sounds in the final version? I won't activate it because for me there's no reason, but I want to know if it would be nice to activate the error sounds in the final version

Em qua., 10 de nov. de 2021 às 19:40, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
In general, the error sound is played in Alpha and Beta versions of NVDA when an error is written to the log.  This is not played in the RC or stable builds, although the error will still be written to the log.  We have introduced an option in 2021.3 to enable that error sound in the stable version.

So why is the error sound played?  Essentially it is for developers (NVDA, add-on, or other program developers) to know that an error has been written to the log.  It is not really a feature aimed at end users, although more end users do encounter it with the beta versions.  It can be useful, but for an end user, the key criteria for "is this actually a problem?" is - ok the error sound played, but did it impact what you were doing?  If the sound hadn't played, would you even have noticed a problem?  Often something fails (which causes an error in the log) but NVDA will try something else which does work, so there is no impact on the function the user was attempting to use.  While we ideally wouldn't have any errors in regular use, what we really want to prioritise are issues which impact your ability to do something - whether or not an error was written.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:53 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, can you guys tell me why the NVDA error sound is played in beta or alpha version?



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA error sound in beta version

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

thank you very much quentin, but do you think it would be nice to turn on the error sounds in the final version? I won't activate it because for me there's no reason, but I want to know if it would be nice to activate the error sounds in the final version

Em qua., 10 de nov. de 2021 às 19:40, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

In general, the error sound is played in Alpha and Beta versions of NVDA when an error is written to the log.  This is not played in the RC or stable builds, although the error will still be written to the log.  We have introduced an option in 2021.3 to enable that error sound in the stable version.

So why is the error sound played?  Essentially it is for developers (NVDA, add-on, or other program developers) to know that an error has been written to the log.  It is not really a feature aimed at end users, although more end users do encounter it with the beta versions.  It can be useful, but for an end user, the key criteria for "is this actually a problem?" is - ok the error sound played, but did it impact what you were doing?  If the sound hadn't played, would you even have noticed a problem?  Often something fails (which causes an error in the log) but NVDA will try something else which does work, so there is no impact on the function the user was attempting to use.  While we ideally wouldn't have any errors in regular use, what we really want to prioritise are issues which impact your ability to do something - whether or not an error was written.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:53 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, can you guys tell me why the NVDA error sound is played in beta or alpha version?



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: NVDA error sound in beta version

Quentin Christensen
 

In general, the error sound is played in Alpha and Beta versions of NVDA when an error is written to the log.  This is not played in the RC or stable builds, although the error will still be written to the log.  We have introduced an option in 2021.3 to enable that error sound in the stable version.

So why is the error sound played?  Essentially it is for developers (NVDA, add-on, or other program developers) to know that an error has been written to the log.  It is not really a feature aimed at end users, although more end users do encounter it with the beta versions.  It can be useful, but for an end user, the key criteria for "is this actually a problem?" is - ok the error sound played, but did it impact what you were doing?  If the sound hadn't played, would you even have noticed a problem?  Often something fails (which causes an error in the log) but NVDA will try something else which does work, so there is no impact on the function the user was attempting to use.  While we ideally wouldn't have any errors in regular use, what we really want to prioritise are issues which impact your ability to do something - whether or not an error was written.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 5:53 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, can you guys tell me why the NVDA error sound is played in beta or alpha version?



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
avira antivirus and NVDA 2021.2

Josh Kennedy
 

Hey I just tried out avira antivirus free edition, and it seems accessible with NVDA. I wanted to double-scan some folders with files in them before uploading to google drive and decided to try out avira. Aside from some unlabeled buttons it works ok.

 

 

 

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Re: portable copy of NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I thought there was something you could do with an info file if I remember correctly? You might want to look at stack overflow for any info on that as that is a good resource most of the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2021 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] portable copy of NVDA

I have generated a portable copy of NVDA 2021-2 and it works well.
My question is there some way to make it auto load NVDA when the thumb drive is plugged in?
Thanks
Re: portable copy of NVDA

Jujube
 

Hi Don, Unfortunately you can't have NVDA portable start automatically once you plug in the thumb drive. This is a windows limitation. I personally turn on Narrator to help me start NVDA portable.


On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 10:26 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I have generated a portable copy of NVDA 2021-2 and it works well.
My question is there some way to make it auto load NVDA when the thumb
drive is plugged in?
Thanks
Re: portable copy of NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Don


Sorry no not from a USB stick.


If I remember right under auto play settings for a CD version  it needs to be set to play or install it is right down the bottom of the list.

This is more on your own pc or some ones elses computer that has it already set.


Then the CD version worked but if not it would not.


The USB side stopped back in windows 7 if I remember right so you have to do other work rounds.


If using a public net work they might have exe blocking software which will stop nvda from working.


Over here a few years back that is what happened and when explained to these networks I was blind and use it  they done testing then installed it to those networks that are up on my website for libraries in new zealand.


If trying to help out some one see what works for you I also like the qqq one depending how they have the windows explorer screen set or is it called file manager or my pc depending on your windows version.



The following page from off my web site will show you how to do it from a CD as well as a USB stick on another computer.

The link is http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html


The USB side if new to using it on another computer is start up narrator locate the stick then start nvda then turn off narrator.


There are other ways up on the website look for the sections to do with USB or CD at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

On 11/11/2021 7:26 am, Don H wrote:
I have generated a portable copy of NVDA 2021-2 and it works well.
My question is there some way to make it auto load NVDA when the thumb drive is plugged in?
Thanks
Re: Persian Speech Synthesizer?

Shaun Everiss
 

Well vocaliser by code factory has one.

Eloquence may have one however I don't know much about that.

There are none from microsoft as far as I have noticed.

On 11/11/2021 7:44 am, Clement Chou wrote:
Helping a friend set up a computer tomorrow and teaching some of the
basics. She's a native farsi speaker and wants to be able to work with
both languages. anyone got a lead on a farsi speech synthesizer for
NVDA? Free is better, but anything will do. Thanks!
Re: error tones playing when NVDA is loading

Chris
 

It looks like its to turn them on in stable versions only

Doesnt look like you can turn them off in test versions

 

 

 

 

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 November 2021 18:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] error tones playing wen NVDA is loading

 

On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 01:06 PM, Chris wrote:

I think you can now turn them off under nvda advanced settings

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I don't see anything there that controls this.   If there is somewhere that the end user could turn these off, that would be good to know.

But, and it's an important but, because the betas don't ship with the error tones turned off, it's important that those who do choose to try out a beta "don't freak" every time they hear an error tone played, because they almost certainly will even before you'd have any chance to turn off this feature if that's possible.

For those who use beta versions regularly, we just get used to paying attention to how NVDA is behaving rather than giving those tones much credence.  For myself, I'd leave them on just to remind myself that I am using a beta and to update to release once it hits.  To each his or her own.
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