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Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

Giles Turnbull
 

Another option that I regularly turn to if I want to copy text from a dialogue box, is to start Speech Viewer from NVDA's tools menu. Then everything that NVDA reads aloud is in the viewer window, where any text can be selected and can then be easily copied with the usual CTRL+C. I tend to use it when needing to mention software versions I am running, such as the version of Windows from the winver command.

Speech Viewer would record anything that NVDA speaks in the OCR window :)

Giles


Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

Saylor Cooper
 

Hello NVDA users,

I am considering switching to Mac OS but at the same time, I’m hesitant on giving up my favorite windows programs. I know I can run windows using parallels with the new max so therefore, would NVDA work on the virtual machine when running it? Please let me know.

Saylor Cooper


Re: Mouse question

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


If I remember right grab the golden cursor add on and it should do the trick for you it can be gotten at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/goldenCursor.en.html

You will need to instal it into nvda and the directions of how to use it can be found under the help section for the add on in add on manager in nvda.


It will also let you move it around with arrow keys and do hot spots I think they are called.


Gene nz


On 20/11/2021 6:52 pm, Michael Maslo wrote:

Hi everyone:

I was wondering two things please.

 

Is there a way that I can move the mouse with a keyboard command by pixels? Also while moving, is there a way to see the pixel coordinates I am at?

 

I looked through the manual but I did not see it.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Mouse question

Michael Maslo
 

Hi everyone:

I was wondering two things please.

 

Is there a way that I can move the mouse with a keyboard command by pixels? Also while moving, is there a way to see the pixel coordinates I am at?

 

I looked through the manual but I did not see it.

 

Any help would be appreciated.


Re: Selecting Groups of Cells in Word Tables

 

Bhavya,

You're quite welcome.  In this case it's NVDA 2021.3beta2 running on top of Word 2016 where I did my experimentation.  I do know that exactly what office exposes to NVDA has changed, though slightly, in Microsoft 365 even though everything from Office 2016 forward has 2016 as its base code.

When it comes to tables, they're definitely not 100% consistent for selection across programs.  There are similarities, but it's not precisely the same.
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Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 09:41 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Just press Control+A to select all and Control+C to copy...
-
Thanks.  That's definitely dirt simple.

In this case, being able to see was a disadvantage, because since the result document is not visible I wasn't sure whether it was accessible for cut, copy, and paste in the same way something that is presented in a given application is.

Your assistance is appreciated, a lot.
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Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

Gene
 

According to what I’ve read, you can select and copy to the clipboard as you can in general.  If you try it and it doesn’t work, perhaps you can use the review commands along with the f9 and f10 commands to copy the text to the clipboard.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?
 
In another topic regarding NVDA OCR, Quentin Christensen wrote:

When you press NVDA+r, what normally happens is NVDA reports "Recognising...", then shortly after "Result document".  No window is displayed visually, but as you navigate at this point, NVDA will read the text it has recognised.  Press escape to close this and return to the program.

I am using NVDA OCR on an image of a newspaper article, and everything Quentin reports is true.  But what I'm wondering is if there's a way to save the OCR content produced.  Another recent topic gave a clear indication that you can, as it appeared that someone had done just that, and then copied and pasted into a message sent to the group.

All that being said, and having looked at the Commands Quick Reference and the NVDA User Guide I can't seem to find anything  about how to save the result in something like Notepad, and there are times that this would be really handy.  Even multiple topics on NVDA OCR on the group don't hit upon this, at least the ones I've reviewed.

If this can be done, please share how.
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Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

Rui Fontes
 

Just press Control+A to select all and Control+C to copy...


Rui Fontes


Às 02:34 de 20/11/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

In another topic regarding NVDA OCR, Quentin Christensen wrote:

When you press NVDA+r, what normally happens is NVDA reports "Recognising...", then shortly after "Result document".  No window is displayed visually, but as you navigate at this point, NVDA will read the text it has recognised.  Press escape to close this and return to the program.

I am using NVDA OCR on an image of a newspaper article, and everything Quentin reports is true.  But what I'm wondering is if there's a way to save the OCR content produced.  Another recent topic gave a clear indication that you can, as it appeared that someone had done just that, and then copied and pasted into a message sent to the group.

All that being said, and having looked at the Commands Quick Reference and the NVDA User Guide I can't seem to find anything  about how to save the result in something like Notepad, and there are times that this would be really handy.  Even multiple topics on NVDA OCR on the group don't hit upon this, at least the ones I've reviewed.

If this can be done, please share how.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

 

In another topic regarding NVDA OCR, Quentin Christensen wrote:

When you press NVDA+r, what normally happens is NVDA reports "Recognising...", then shortly after "Result document".  No window is displayed visually, but as you navigate at this point, NVDA will read the text it has recognised.  Press escape to close this and return to the program.

I am using NVDA OCR on an image of a newspaper article, and everything Quentin reports is true.  But what I'm wondering is if there's a way to save the OCR content produced.  Another recent topic gave a clear indication that you can, as it appeared that someone had done just that, and then copied and pasted into a message sent to the group.

All that being said, and having looked at the Commands Quick Reference and the NVDA User Guide I can't seem to find anything  about how to save the result in something like Notepad, and there are times that this would be really handy.  Even multiple topics on NVDA OCR on the group don't hit upon this, at least the ones I've reviewed.

If this can be done, please share how.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Selecting Groups of Cells in Word Tables

Bhavya shah
 

Dear Brian,

Thank you so much - this is hugely appreciated! Your explanation was
incredibly clear and thus easy to follow, though my experience did
vary in some respects. In particular, NVDA read out the entire row
when I pressed Shift+down arrow (as opposed to only those cells of
that row which corresponded to the columns selected above), and the
read current selection command cemented that; however, when I pressed
Ctrl+C and then NVDA+C to cross-check, only the desired subset of the
row had been copied (as you described and was desired) as opposed to
the entire row (as misreported by NVDA). This process itself is buggy
and does not seem to work at all in applications like Firefox. My
understanding is that sighted mouse users have a fairly consistent way
of doing this across programs, and the same ought to be true for
screen reader users.

Do folks know if there are existing tickets on NVDA's GitHub tracker
covering this set of issues?

Thanks.

On 11/19/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
By the way, I had no idea how this was done with the keyboard.  I found this
information in multiple sources at the top of the results from web searching
on the phrase, "selecting cells in MS-Word tables using the keyboard."
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Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Selecting Groups of Cells in Word Tables

 

By the way, I had no idea how this was done with the keyboard.  I found this information in multiple sources at the top of the results from web searching on the phrase, "selecting cells in MS-Word tables using the keyboard."
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Re: Selecting Groups of Cells in Word Tables

 

Bhavya,

The simple answer to your question is, "Yes."  But this also depends on your comfort with selecting additional rows below the first one you've selected without an announcement from NVDA that it's happening.

I will try to describe this process as best I can.

Position yourself in R2C2, preferably at the far right side of whatever data has already been entered.  Hit SHIFT + Right Arrow and you wll get an announcement that the cell is selected.  If you happen to put yourself somewhere other than the far right side of your typed data, as you hit SHIFT + Right Arrow you will hear character by character being selected, until you hit the end of the cell content, then that next SHIFT + Right Arrow will just say "selected" and all characters in the cell will be selected.  For example, if you have a cell with 25.8 in it, and start with the cursor to the right of the 8, when you hit SHIFT + Right Arrow you will hear twenty-five point eight selected.   will let you play with putting your cursor in the middle, or to the left of the value and hitting SHIFT + Right Arrow to see how things vary.

Presuming R2C2 contains 25.8, and you've selected the cell in one fell swoop, if you keep SHIFT + Right Arrowing it will successively select each full cell to the right of the one that you last selected.  So if you'd selected R2C2, then SHIFT + Right Arrowed again, it would select the cell to the right, and if that cell contained 18.7, it NVDA immediately says 18.7 selected (and that is, of course, R2C3).

This is where the "you've got to be comfortable with silence and trust in how selection works parts come in.  Once you have R2C2 and R2C3 selected, SHIFT + Down Arrow will add to the selection R3C2 and R3C3 but not announce anything (usually, anyway).  Each successive SHIFT + DOWN Arrow press will select the corresponding two columns beneath the row you are currently sitting on.

The SHIFT + UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT Arrow Key can be used to select and unselect cell "clumps", and if you overshoot, say you hit SHIFT + DOWN Arrow after you'd already selected R3C2 and R3C3 snagging their R4 analogs into your selection, you can unselect those both with a simple SHIFT + Up Arrow.

You'll have to play with this to get the feel.

I'm not sure where or how you intend to paste what you've selected and, I presume, copied.  Once I have some idea of what you intend to do, I can check out how various paste options would work depending on the context where they're being pasted.
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Re: NVDA and LibreOffice Calc

 

Cearbhall,

A couple more general observations:

1.  Although LibreOffice is accessible, by and large, it is not as "nicely accessible" as Microsoft Office is.

2.  Microsoft Office, being the de facto standard Office suite of the world (and anyone who wants to argue that with me, don't bother, I've been in the private and public sector in the USA and paying attention to users overseas in these very forums - Microsoft Office vastly predominates) the various screen reader developers focus on compatibility with it, first, for very good reason.  When you've got limited resources, you focus where they have the most impact.

3.  Screen readers are directly dependent on what the software they're working with exposes to them for auditory presentation.  It doesn't matter if it's an XLSX file if LibreOffice does not expose certain elements of the file structure to NVDA (or JAWS, or whatever screen reader) for presentation to the user.  There's a lot of "handshaking" type information exchange, and if one hand is not extended, the other can't grab it.

My guess is that it's item number three in my above observations that accounts for the difference in what NVDA is able to present when using precisely the same file in MS-Excel versus LibreOffice.  It likely lies in what Excel versus LibreOffice exposes to NVDA.
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Selecting Groups of Cells in Word Tables

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2, Word for Microsoft 365, and Windows 10.
I am working with multi-row and multi-column tables in a Word
document, and was wondering if there is a way to do the following (and
thereby similar tasks) without needing to copy contents over to Excel.
Consider a 4X4 table. I would like to select the central square of 4
cells, i.e. R2C2, R2C3, R3C2, and R3C3.

I would truly appreciate any inputs or thoughts on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Interview with Bhavya Shah - part 1

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Bhavya,
I read your interview and all I can say is as a former denizen of Mumbai I am very proud of you and wish you the very best in your career. Unlike you, I am trying to learn Windows and NVDA at a much later stage in life and look forward to this mailing list for support.
I also look forward to Part 3 and 3 of your interview. :)

Warmly,
mani

On Nov 19, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:

Dear all,

I just wanted to express my genuine gratitude for all that the NVDA
community has taught me over the years and for the kind words in this
thread. It is much appreciated.

Thanks.

On 11/14/21, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
it would be nice without background music, it would be like a pody cast

Em seg., 15 de nov. de 2021 às 00:15, Quentin Christensen <
quentin@...> escreveu:

Thanks Marilyn!

Re the music - it's a tricky balance - some people prefer something and
some prefer silence. I try to keep it fairly soft and unobtrusive. It's
good to hear what people do and don't like though, thank you!

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 4:11 PM Marilyn and Don Bilderback <
djbilderback@...> wrote:

Great interview. But, I could do without the background music! It
wasn’t too loud or energetic, I just don’t like distractions to hearing
the
main thing. And that is the words we hear. It is especially important
with interviewees who do not have English as their first language.



I loved hearing Bhavya’s voice and his wonderful story. I didn’t think
this type of interview was too long.



I think both of you did very well with questions and answers and I look
forward to the next one. By the way, quentin, you have an interesting
voice too!



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 5:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Interview with Bhavya Shah - part 1



Hi everyone,



Today I am excited to bring you another in our NVDA user stories series
-
this one the start of its own series! I chatted with community
contributor
Bhavya Shah recently, about how he came to NVDA and how he uses it, and
some of the many other aspects of his busy life. It was such a great
interview, that we didn't want to cut too much out to keep it short, so
instead we're making it a three part series. Part 1 is available now:



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/bhavya-shah-from-india-to-the-usa-part-1/



As always I'm interested in feedback, but also particularly this time,
on
the longer series format and whether that works for you or not?



Kind regards



Quentin.



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Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>







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Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





Re: keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes

Gene
 

And I think it’s worth noting that using caps lock as an NVDA key is off by default in both layouts and that it is very useful in the desktop layout if you turn it on there.  It isn’t just intended for use in the laptop layout. 
 
I use the desktop layout and I find execution of a number of NVDA commands much more convenient using the caps lock.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes
 
Just to get up on my recent soapbox in several venues, it cannot (and I'd say should not) be presumed that any random laptop user is actually using laptop keyboard layout.

NVDA uses desktop layout by default on any laptop on which I've installed it and the majority of laptops have been sporting a full-size desktop type keyboard for some time now.

Laptops with classic laptop keyboard layout are the exception, not the rule.

Keyboard layout depends on the keyboard itself, not the thing it's connected to or built into.

One can use laptop layout with a full-size keyboard, but not vice versa.
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         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes

 

Just to get up on my recent soapbox in several venues, it cannot (and I'd say should not) be presumed that any random laptop user is actually using laptop keyboard layout.

NVDA uses desktop layout by default on any laptop on which I've installed it and the majority of laptops have been sporting a full-size desktop type keyboard for some time now.

Laptops with classic laptop keyboard layout are the exception, not the rule.

Keyboard layout depends on the keyboard itself, not the thing it's connected to or built into.

One can use laptop layout with a full-size keyboard, but not vice versa.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Interview with Bhavya Shah - part 1

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I just wanted to express my genuine gratitude for all that the NVDA
community has taught me over the years and for the kind words in this
thread. It is much appreciated.

Thanks.

On 11/14/21, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
it would be nice without background music, it would be like a pody cast

Em seg., 15 de nov. de 2021 às 00:15, Quentin Christensen <
quentin@...> escreveu:

Thanks Marilyn!

Re the music - it's a tricky balance - some people prefer something and
some prefer silence. I try to keep it fairly soft and unobtrusive. It's
good to hear what people do and don't like though, thank you!

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 4:11 PM Marilyn and Don Bilderback <
djbilderback@...> wrote:

Great interview. But, I could do without the background music! It
wasn’t too loud or energetic, I just don’t like distractions to hearing
the
main thing. And that is the words we hear. It is especially important
with interviewees who do not have English as their first language.



I loved hearing Bhavya’s voice and his wonderful story. I didn’t think
this type of interview was too long.



I think both of you did very well with questions and answers and I look
forward to the next one. By the way, quentin, you have an interesting
voice too!



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2021 5:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] Interview with Bhavya Shah - part 1



Hi everyone,



Today I am excited to bring you another in our NVDA user stories series
-
this one the start of its own series! I chatted with community
contributor
Bhavya Shah recently, about how he came to NVDA and how he uses it, and
some of the many other aspects of his busy life. It was such a great
interview, that we didn't want to cut too much out to keep it short, so
instead we're making it a three part series. Part 1 is available now:



https://www.nvaccess.org/post/bhavya-shah-from-india-to-the-usa-part-1/



As always I'm interested in feedback, but also particularly this time,
on
the longer series format and whether that works for you or not?



Kind regards



Quentin.



--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Web: www.nvaccess.org

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






--
Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: NVDA and LibreOffice Calc

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Brian,

 

Thanks for taking a shot at this, I appreciate the careful detail that you suggest.

 

I should explain that I am advising someone else who created this spreadsheet so my detail is somewhat limited.

The spreadsheet was created in LibreOffice calc. The person who created this is a recently established user of NVDA. He applied the NVDA + shift + c and NVDA + shift + r commands to try to set up the first row and column as column and row headers respectively. NVDA did not confirm them as being established. In fact, NVDA would only read out the cell coordinates even though he has Tables, Row and column headings and cell coordinates all checked in the Document settings of NVDA.

He saved the newly created spreadsheet as a .xlx which Calc indicated was an excel format.

 

He could not confirm whether the column and row headings had been set because his NVDA would only give him the cell coordinates and nothing about headings.

 

He subsequently sent the .xlsx format of the spreadsheet to me where I uploaded it into a full excel 2019 application. I found the row and column headings had, indeed, been set by him and worked perfectly with NVDA in my Excel program.

 

It is a mystery as to how he managed to set the row and column headings since NVDA refuses to speak them in the same spreadsheet in calc.

 

For the reasons outlined above, we are now asking if:

  1. Should NVDA be able to operate in LibreOffice Calc ;
  2. Are there NVDA keystrokes that will cause the row and column headings to be spoken in LibreOffice calc;
  3. Failing a positive answer to the last two questions, is there any way in LibreOffice calc to determine if the row and column headings have been successfully set?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libre Office Calc

 

Cearbhall,

I hate even giving this response, but it's a suggestion based on a hunch.  The commands you give from NVDA are, if memory serves, NVDA specific and are used on an Excel spreadsheet where the person who created the spreadsheet did not use the Excel row and column heading feature that carries this information along with the xlsx file itself so that other users don't have to go "the screen reader route" of defining these each time the file is opened.

Have you tried using the Excel built-in heading definition function, then opening a file saved with same in Calc to see if it makes any difference in what NVDA can pick up under Calc?
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Quoting via the Groups.io Web Forum Interface [Spin-Off from Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome]

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 02:07 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
It took me a while to figure out how to quote messages using the web interface.
-
Ah, another rare web interface user!!  Glad to see you here.

Since what follows is about how to use Groups.io itself, and I've always allowed "special dispensations" for this sort of off-topic topic, I'm allowing one for myself.

The easiest way to describe this, for those new to the web interface, is simply to highlight the portion of the previous message that you wish to quote, and by default the automatic quotation will be top quoted, then activate the reply button.  You can selectively quote as little as you need to or want to with ease just by highlighting that portion before hitting reply.

When you land in the reply box your insert cursor will already bee sitting below the inserted quoted material.  Another web interface user told me that it was confusing for him to determine where the actual quote ended, and my replies began, because the auto-quote feature does not put any text marker after the block quote.  That is how I've come to consistently put a single hyphen, on its own line, to serve the purpose of a marker after which the reply begins.  It seems to have worked based on his reports back to me.
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