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Re: Volume in Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 04:05 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I don't know how that TB configuration got created.  I didn't do it on purpose and I don't think it did anything I needed.
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A classic example of why my advice to all my clients, about any sort of software, setting, etc., is if your answer when someone asks, "Do you use {insert thing here}?," is either "no," or, "I don't know," the probability that you actually need it is virtually zero.

Most people remember that they created something, or installed something, even if the details may be hazy.  But having no recall means it's almost certainly something that was either unintentionally created or, in the case of a lot of pre-installed software, falls into the class of bloatware that almost no one uses.  Bloatware is one of the reasons that many technicians do a completely clean reinstall of Windows 10 or Windows 11 as the first thing they do with a brand new machine.  What comes from Microsoft has none of that and you end up with a pristine Windows instance.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

 

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 02:17 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
I do recommend that you think closely about if a Mac is your right choice and I say this as somebody who uses a Mac on a daily basis and has for 30 years. I suggest you discuss your reasons for wanting to switch to a Macintosh on the MacVisionaries mailing list that is run by Google Groups.
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I couldn't agree more, and that's no matter what computing ecosystem you're thinking of abandoning and which you are thinking about transitioning to.

I have seen people jumping from PC to Mac, PC to Linux, and vice versa with each of those often believing that "the grass is greener on the other side."  It isn't, at least on the whole.  And when you walk away from what you already know "in every fiber of your being" after years of using whatever ecosystem you've been using you end up with a period where frustration is high because things you used to do without thinking no longer work that way.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

Gene
 

I don’t know but enter is what screen-readers generally say if you have them set to speak such keys. 
 
Gene
-----Originall Message-----

Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 
Thank you Dina, Gene, and Brian for all your suggestions. I am curious at to what the technical barriers exist  for NVDA being unable to simply say ‘New Line’ for the enter key. Is it because of the lookahead it has to perform for the ‘line feed’ character? If that is the case, I would still be happy if it said ‘carriage return’ like it does when I move up and down lines in my Wordpad file.
 
Warmly,
Mani
  . 

On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:
 
Hi,
 
Check out the NVDA global commands extension... it allows you to turn individual keys on and off.
 
Thanks.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 
Hello Gene,
I wouldn’t mind having the “Speak commands’ turned on when in Wordpad but elsewhere it gets annoying! I wish there was a command to quickly turn ‘Speak commands’ on and off.
Well if not, I will have to get used to the silence. :)
 
Mani
 


On Nov 17, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
 
NVDA doesn’t speak any command keys by default.  You already know what happens when you turn speak command keys on.  
 
You may find that you quickly get used to not hearing enter.  You may expect it since you evidently have heard it in the past but giving not hearing it a chance for perhaps a few days or a week may get you used to not hearing it and it may not matter any longer.
 
I believe the option should be available.  People should be able to choose which command keys they hear, but since I know of no way they can, if you get used to not hearing it quickly, the problem may not matter shortly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 

Good to hear from you again after a long time. :)
Thank you Sarah. But you have no idea as to why NVDA does not speak the enter key on Wordpad?

Mani


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> 
> I recommend Jarte. It is no longer being made, but it is one of my favorite programs to use for an RTF editor and a docx  viewer.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
> 
> Hello all,
> Having worked on the Mac with Voiceover for many years, I am a newbie to Windows and NVDA which I am learning through the user guide and enjoying it. 
> A RTF editor is a must for what I do and I chose Wordpad (I will welcome ideas for any better NVDA-accessible and free editors).  I don’t know what setting would make NVDA speak the enter key whenever I move to a new line. Setting the ‘Speak commands’ option on does speak it but speaks all other commands I press in the process.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks,.
> 
> Warmly,
> Mani
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 




 

 


Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

benmoxey@...
 

Hi everyone

 

In addition to Rui’s excellent add-on, if you only want to easily access the text content of the active window, try Virtual Review. Once installed, you can press NVDA + Control + W to place all text in the current window into a virtual buffer. Then, you can select, copy, paste etc. When done, press Escape to return to the window.

 

Check it out on the official add-ons page:

 

Virtual Review (nvda-project.org)

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, 21 November 2021 2:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

 

For that I think is better our add-on, NVDARecorder...

You can get it from:

https://nvda.es/files/get.php?file=nvdarecorder

 

Information
• Author: Rui Fontes and Ângelo Abrantes
• Compatibility: NVDA 2019.3 and following

Usage
This add-on serves to record in a text document all speeches of NVDA while the add-on is active. After recording stops, the text document will open.

Note: What is spoken in SayAll is not recorded.

To activate/deactivate the recording Press ALT + NumPad Plus. This command can be modified in the "Input gestures" dialog in the "Miscellaneous" category.

Automatic update
This add-on includes an automatic update feature. The check for a new version will be executed everytime NVDA is loaded. If you do not want this, go to NVDA, Preferences, Options and in the add-on category uncheck the check box.

 

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team

Às 14:27 de 20/11/2021, Giles Turnbull escreveu:

Another option that I regularly turn to if I want to copy text from a dialogue box, is to start Speech Viewer from NVDA's tools menu. Then everything that NVDA reads aloud is in the viewer window, where any text can be selected and can then be easily copied with the usual CTRL+C. I tend to use it when needing to mention software versions I am running, such as the version of Windows from the winver command.

Speech Viewer would record anything that NVDA speaks in the OCR window :)

Giles


Re: Volume in Thunderbird

Howard Traxler
 

Yes, Gene. it was exactly as you described.  So when I was in thunderbird, I could not access the volume control.  When I flipped to the volume control it changed to the normal configuration and all was OK.  So I couldn't figure out how to change the volume while the TB configuration was active.

I don't know how that TB configuration got created.  I didn't do it on purpose and I don't think it did anything I needed.

Howard

On 11/20/2021 2:44 PM, Gene wrote:
While you don’t need to know this to solve the problem, knowing it may be useful at some point in terms of how configurations can be set to work.
I hadn’t thought about you having a Thunderbird configuration.  I thought you meant that when you opened the volume control, your volume went down and stayed down even when you returned to Thunderbird.  Since you had a Thunderbird configuration, the volume evidently got higher when you returned to Thunderbird.  It wouldn’t have mattered what you did, any time you left the Thunderbird window, the volume would have gone down and every time you returned, it would have gone up.  The cconfiguration was set to be active any time you were in the Thunderbird window.
Configurations can be set to be active when you are in a program window and not active when you aren’t.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:37 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
Thank you Brian and Gene.  I will file those suggestions.  In the
meantime, I deleted the thunderbird configuration from NVDA.  I didn't
know it was there nor what it was good for.  So now everything is better
(I think).

Howard

On 11/20/2021 2:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are saying that it goes down when you do nothing but
open the volume control dialog.
I don’t know why it is happening but the easiest and fastest
workaround would probably be to create a shortcut and a shortcut
command to open the volume control.  You could use a command like
control alt v and you can do it from anywhere so inside of
Thunderbird, you can execute the command, then, when the volume
control dialog opens and the volume goes down, you can simply close it
and I believe you will be placed back in Thunderbird without having to
move to it.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:11 AM
*To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
When I open thunderbird, the volume jumps up to be uncomfortably loud.
Can't seem to keep it from changing.  When I go to the system volume
control, it goes back down.

HELP?

Howard









Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Luis Carlos González Moráles
 

I'm sorry to say that but the DAW, regardless of screen reader is inaccesible, and it's far from impossible to be. Same with FLS.

En 20 de noviembre de 2021 3:06:59 p. m. "Eduardo Fermiano Luccas" <25102008luccas@...> escribió:

I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?


Re: NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

Mani Iyer
 

Thank you Dina, Gene, and Brian for all your suggestions. I am curious at to what the technical barriers exist  for NVDA being unable to simply say ‘New Line’ for the enter key. Is it because of the lookahead it has to perform for the ‘line feed’ character? If that is the case, I would still be happy if it said ‘carriage return’ like it does when I move up and down lines in my Wordpad file.

Warmly,
Mani
  .  

On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
Check out the NVDA global commands extension... it allows you to turn individual keys on and off.
 
Thanks.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 
Hello Gene,
I wouldn’t mind having the “Speak commands’ turned on when in Wordpad but elsewhere it gets annoying! I wish there was a command to quickly turn ‘Speak commands’ on and off.
Well if not, I will have to get used to the silence. :)
 
Mani
 


On Nov 17, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
 
NVDA doesn’t speak any command keys by default.  You already know what happens when you turn speak command keys on.  
 
You may find that you quickly get used to not hearing enter.  You may expect it since you evidently have heard it in the past but giving not hearing it a chance for perhaps a few days or a week may get you used to not hearing it and it may not matter any longer.
 
I believe the option should be available.  People should be able to choose which command keys they hear, but since I know of no way they can, if you get used to not hearing it quickly, the problem may not matter shortly.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 

Good to hear from you again after a long time. :)
Thank you Sarah. But you have no idea as to why NVDA does not speak the enter key on Wordpad?

Mani


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> 
> I recommend Jarte. It is no longer being made, but it is one of my favorite programs to use for an RTF editor and a docx  viewer.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
> 
> Hello all,
> Having worked on the Mac with Voiceover for many years, I am a newbie to Windows and NVDA which I am learning through the user guide and enjoying it. 
> A RTF editor is a must for what I do and I chose Wordpad (I will welcome ideas for any better NVDA-accessible and free editors).  I don’t know what setting would make NVDA speak the enter key whenever I move to a new line. Setting the ‘Speak commands’ option on does speak it but speaks all other commands I press in the process.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks,.
> 
> Warmly,
> Mani
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 




 



Re: Volume in Thunderbird

Gene
 

While you don’t need to know this to solve the problem, knowing it may be useful at some point in terms of how configurations can be set to work.
 
I hadn’t thought about you having a Thunderbird configuration.  I thought you meant that when you opened the volume control, your volume went down and stayed down even when you returned to Thunderbird.  Since you had a Thunderbird configuration, the volume evidently got higher when you returned to Thunderbird.  It wouldn’t have mattered what you did, any time you left the Thunderbird window, the volume would have gone down and every time you returned, it would have gone up.  The cconfiguration was set to be active any time you were in the Thunderbird window.
 
Configurations can be set to be active when you are in a program window and not active when you aren’t.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
 
Thank you Brian and Gene.  I will file those suggestions.  In the
meantime, I deleted the thunderbird configuration from NVDA.  I didn't
know it was there nor what it was good for.  So now everything is better
(I think).

Howard

On 11/20/2021 2:24 PM, Gene wrote:
> Evidently, you are saying that it goes down when you do nothing but
> open the volume control dialog.
> I don’t know why it is happening but the easiest and fastest
> workaround would probably be to create a shortcut and a shortcut
> command to open the volume control.  You could use a command like
> control alt v and you can do it from anywhere so inside of
> Thunderbird, you can execute the command, then, when the volume
> control dialog opens and the volume goes down, you can simply close it
> and I believe you will be placed back in Thunderbird without having to
> move to it.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:11 AM
> *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
> When I open thunderbird, the volume jumps up to be uncomfortably loud.
> Can't seem to keep it from changing.  When I go to the system volume
> control, it goes back down.
>
> HELP?
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>






Re: Volume in Thunderbird

Howard Traxler
 

Thank you Brian and Gene.  I will file those suggestions.  In the meantime, I deleted the thunderbird configuration from NVDA.  I didn't know it was there nor what it was good for.  So now everything is better (I think).

Howard

On 11/20/2021 2:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Evidently, you are saying that it goes down when you do nothing but open the volume control dialog.
I don’t know why it is happening but the easiest and fastest workaround would probably be to create a shortcut and a shortcut command to open the volume control.  You could use a command like control alt v and you can do it from anywhere so inside of Thunderbird, you can execute the command, then, when the volume control dialog opens and the volume goes down, you can simply close it and I believe you will be placed back in Thunderbird without having to move to it.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:11 AM
*To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
When I open thunderbird, the volume jumps up to be uncomfortably loud.
Can't seem to keep it from changing.  When I go to the system volume
control, it goes back down.

HELP?

Howard





Re: Volume in Thunderbird

Gene
 

Evidently, you are saying that it goes down when you do nothing but open the volume control dialog. 
 
I don’t know why it is happening but the easiest and fastest workaround would probably be to create a shortcut and a shortcut command to open the volume control.  You could use a command like control alt v and you can do it from anywhere so inside of Thunderbird, you can execute the command, then, when the volume control dialog opens and the volume goes down, you can simply close it and I believe you will be placed back in Thunderbird without having to move to it.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 9:11 AM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] Volume in Thunderbird
 
When I open thunderbird, the volume jumps up to be uncomfortably loud. 
Can't seem to keep it from changing.  When I go to the system volume
control, it goes back down.

HELP?

Howard





ableton live suport with NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?


Re: Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

Sarah k Alawami
 

OH yes it will. I used to use vmware way back in 2017. I have no clue if you need to modify the capslock key but if you do it should be no big deal really. You can use something like sharpkeys to remap that under the windows environment.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Saylor Cooper
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 6:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

Hello NVDA users,

I am considering switching to Mac OS but at the same time, I’m hesitant on giving up my favorite windows programs. I know I can run windows using parallels with the new max so therefore, would NVDA work on the virtual machine when running it? Please let me know.

Saylor Cooper


New add-on to access offline dictionaries

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


Released Dictionaries add-on on version 21.11:


• Authors: Rui Fontes, Ângelo Abrantes and Abel Passos do Nascimento Jr.
• Updated in 19/11/2021
• Download stable version:

https://github.com/ruifontes/Dictionaries/releases/download/21.11/dictionaries-21.11.nvda-addon

• Compatibility: NVDA version 2019.3 and beyond


Presentation
This add-on provides a quick way to access, so far, 21 dictionaries:

• English-Portuguese and Portuguese-English;
• French-Portuguese and Portuguese-French;
• Italian-Portuguese and Portuguese-Italian;
• German-Portuguese and Portuguese-German;
• Spanish-Portuguese and Portuguese-Spanish;
• English-Spanish;
• Englis (Concise Oxford dictionary);
• Portuguese (meanings) (in portuguese);
• Portuguese (synonyms) (in portuguese);
• English (synonyms);
• Spanish (RAE);
• Chemical (in portuguese);
• Medical (in portuguese);
• Philosophy by Nicola Abbagnano (in portuguese);
• Psychology by Raul Mesquita and other (in portuguese).
• Computing (in portuguese).

In order not to overload the extra, only the Portuguese, English and between these two languages dictionaries are available.
The remaining can be downloaded through the extra itself.
We are receptive to include other dictionaries. So, if you desire to add a dictionary, contact one of the authors.

Command
The command to invoke the add-on is Control+Shift+F6.
It is possible to change it in the Input gestures dialogs, in the Dictionary category.

Changes
Version 21.11
• Added more dictionaries;
• Changed the search routine to not be sensitive to capitalization;
• Changed the presentation of results, now allowing you to choose to search again, copy the result to clipboard or exit;
• The extra is provided only with the English, Portuguese and between the two languages dictionaries, and it is possible to download the others using a button on the interface;
• The dictionaries are stored at www.tiflotecnia.net.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team


Re: Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
Of course five year old data will not help in this case, since the user is thinking of purchasing a non-intel Macintosh. I know this would not be obvious unless you were a Macintosh user. 
First, there is at least one person running Windows on a M1  based Macintosh with parallel and using a screen reader. I believe they are using JAWS though. My understanding of Parallel is that its user interface is not accessible to voiceover but that you don't need to use it once the VM is set up. I do recommend that you think closely about if a Mac is your right choice and I say this as somebody who uses a Mac on a daily basis and has for 30 years. I suggest you discuss your reasons for wanting to switch to a Macintosh on the MacVisionaries mailing list that is run by Google Groups.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



On Nov 20, 2021, at 10:43, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The only data point I can give you is in relation to JAWS, which is what was in use on the Mac using Bootcamp at the time I was working with the client, but that worked just fine.  I can see no reason that NVDA should not work under a Windows VM on a Mac.  We would jump between MacOS (or maybe it was OSX, I really can't recall right now, but it was within the last 5 years, and Windows 10 was the Windows version on the VM) and Windows without issue.
-- 

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


NVDA - Working with Math and Sound Themes

cisco
 

Hello everyone,

 

I’m quite sorry that I could not think of an easier to understand subject but I am not good at that.

Also, I am sorry if one or both of the questions I am going to ask had to be asked on the chat group.

 

My first questions is, is there any software that a blind highschooler can use in conjunction with NvDA to do their math work?

 

My second question is, does anyone have an NVDA sound theme which has android’s talkback sounds and which is also compatible with the “Audio Themes” NVDA add-on?

 

Thank you for any answer, and again, I’m sorry for all I said above.

Best regards.

Francisco.


Re: Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

 

The only data point I can give you is in relation to JAWS, which is what was in use on the Mac using Bootcamp at the time I was working with the client, but that worked just fine.  I can see no reason that NVDA should not work under a Windows VM on a Mac.  We would jump between MacOS (or maybe it was OSX, I really can't recall right now, but it was within the last 5 years, and Windows 10 was the Windows version on the VM) and Windows without issue.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Volume in Thunderbird

 

Howard,

If you know you have a configuration profile set up for Thunderbird, check that the volume under the speech settings is not "maxxed out" or near to it for NVDA.

If you don't think you do or should have a configuration profile for Thunderbird, still check under Configuration Profiles in the NVDA Menu (NVDA + N, C) to check if somehow one got created.

That would be my first theory as to how this could occur.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Volume in Thunderbird

Howard Traxler
 

When I open thunderbird, the volume jumps up to be uncomfortably loud.  Can't seem to keep it from changing.  When I go to the system volume control, it goes back down.

HELP?

Howard


Re: NVDA OCR - Can you save the text result somehow?

Rui Fontes
 

For that I think is better our add-on, NVDARecorder...

You can get it from:

https://nvda.es/files/get.php?file=nvdarecorder


Information
• Author: Rui Fontes and Ângelo Abrantes
• Compatibility: NVDA 2019.3 and following

Usage
This add-on serves to record in a text document all speeches of NVDA while the add-on is active. After recording stops, the text document will open.

Note: What is spoken in SayAll is not recorded.

To activate/deactivate the recording Press ALT + NumPad Plus. This command can be modified in the "Input gestures" dialog in the "Miscellaneous" category.

Automatic update
This add-on includes an automatic update feature. The check for a new version will be executed everytime NVDA is loaded. If you do not want this, go to NVDA, Preferences, Options and in the add-on category uncheck the check box.


Best regards,

Rui Fontes
NVDA portuguese team


Às 14:27 de 20/11/2021, Giles Turnbull escreveu:

Another option that I regularly turn to if I want to copy text from a dialogue box, is to start Speech Viewer from NVDA's tools menu. Then everything that NVDA reads aloud is in the viewer window, where any text can be selected and can then be easily copied with the usual CTRL+C. I tend to use it when needing to mention software versions I am running, such as the version of Windows from the winver command.

Speech Viewer would record anything that NVDA speaks in the OCR window :)

Giles


Re: NVDA and LibreOffice Calc

Richard B. McDonald
 

I should like to add to all the below 1) everything that Brian says is correct and 2) there is presently underway a significant effort to improve Libre Office’s accessibility with NVDA, especially as it appertains to Calc and Writer under Windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and LibreOffice Calc

 

Cearbhall,

A couple more general observations:

1.  Although LibreOffice is accessible, by and large, it is not as "nicely accessible" as Microsoft Office is.

2.  Microsoft Office, being the de facto standard Office suite of the world (and anyone who wants to argue that with me, don't bother, I've been in the private and public sector in the USA and paying attention to users overseas in these very forums - Microsoft Office vastly predominates) the various screen reader developers focus on compatibility with it, first, for very good reason.  When you've got limited resources, you focus where they have the most impact.

3.  Screen readers are directly dependent on what the software they're working with exposes to them for auditory presentation.  It doesn't matter if it's an XLSX file if LibreOffice does not expose certain elements of the file structure to NVDA (or JAWS, or whatever screen reader) for presentation to the user.  There's a lot of "handshaking" type information exchange, and if one hand is not extended, the other can't grab it.

My guess is that it's item number three in my above observations that accounts for the difference in what NVDA is able to present when using precisely the same file in MS-Excel versus LibreOffice.  It likely lies in what Excel versus LibreOffice exposes to NVDA.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 

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