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Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.


On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: rearranging items in task bar

 

From this message on the Windows Access for Screen Reader Users group comes the recommendation to review this YouTube Video:  Pin and Arrange Apps on the Taskbar in Windows 11 with JAWS

What's discussed is a new feature of Windows 11, not JAWS, and the screen reader in use shouldn't matter.  There have been people asking whether this is possible under Windows 10, and the answer as of this time is no.  It could be back ported at some point, though.
--

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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: rearranging items in task bar

Gerardo Corripio
 

I'd like to know about this, but within Windows10.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

El 21 nov 2021, a la(s) 9:16 p.m., Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@...> escribió:

Hi,

Is it possible in Windows 11 using the latest version of NVDA to rearrange items in the task bar? If so, please give detailed step by step instructions? Thanks.






rearranging items in task bar

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi,

Is it possible in Windows 11 using the latest version of NVDA to rearrange items in the task bar? If so, please give detailed step by step instructions? Thanks.


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

try removing NVDA completely from your computer and install everything again

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 00:06, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I still encounter the same issue after I updated the Whatsapp add-on
this morning.

The keystroke Control + Shift + T does not work. It is supposed to Say
name of actual chat.

On 16/11/2021 7:16 pm, Sim Kah Yong via groups.io wrote:
> Thanks for notifying the author of the issue. I am glad I am not the
> only one encountering the same issue. Hope the next update will
> resolve it.
>
> On 16/11/2021 7:01 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
>> Forwarded to add-on author...
>>
>>
>> Rui Fontes
>>
>>
>> Às 10:50 de 16/11/2021, Sim Kah Yong escreveu:
>>> Yes. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/11/2021 6:46 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
>>>> By last version of add-on, do you mean 2.2142.12?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rui Fontes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Às 08:32 de 16/11/2021, Sim Kah Yong escreveu:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> May I know if anyone encounters this problem with the above add-on
>>>>> for Whatsapp Desktop? The keyboard shortcut , Control + shift + T
>>>>> which is supposed to Say name of actual chat does not work for me.
>>>>> Most of the other shortcuts are working well. I want to thank the
>>>>> person who created this add-on which makes working with Whatsapp
>>>>> Desktop a joy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2021.2 and the latest version of the
>>>>> add-on. Anticipating any response. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi, I still encounter the same issue after I updated the Whatsapp add-on this morning.

The keystroke Control + Shift + T does not work. It is supposed to Say name of actual chat.

On 16/11/2021 7:16 pm, Sim Kah Yong via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for notifying the author of the issue. I am glad I am not the only one encountering the same issue. Hope the next update will resolve it.

On 16/11/2021 7:01 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
Forwarded to add-on author...


Rui Fontes


Às 10:50 de 16/11/2021, Sim Kah Yong escreveu:
Yes. Thanks.


On 16/11/2021 6:46 pm, Rui Fontes wrote:
By last version of add-on, do you mean 2.2142.12?


Rui Fontes


Às 08:32 de 16/11/2021, Sim Kah Yong escreveu:
Hi all,

May I know if anyone encounters this problem with the above add-on for Whatsapp Desktop? The keyboard shortcut , Control + shift + T which is supposed to Say name of actual chat does not work for me. Most of the other shortcuts are working well. I want to thank the person who created this add-on which makes working with Whatsapp Desktop a joy.

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2021.2 and the latest version of the add-on. Anticipating any response. Thanks.

















Re: Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi Jarek,

Is the self-update of a new version canceled?
It may be an expired certificate problem, see if there is a line like this in the nvda log:
Weather_Plus 8.6: <urlopen error [SSL: CERTIFICATE_VERIFY_FAILED] certificate verify failed: certificate has expired (_ssl.c:1091)>
If so, then you need to open nvda's python console with NVDA + Control + z and type these two lines to update the Windows root certificate store:
import updateCheck
updateCheck._updateWindowsRootCertificates()

Weather_Plus auto update will work again.


Regards
Adriano


Il 21/11/2021 14:31, Jarek.Krcmar ha scritto:

Hello all in group,

I want download and install a new version of Weather plus, but the downloading doesn't work.

I would like to know, where is an error, and how to download it.

Do you have any idea, please?



Carroll Center for the Blind Virtual Technology Fair, November 23

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,

Read about and register for the Carroll Center for the Blind Technology Fair, which begins at 10:000 EST this Tuesday November 23, at:

Virtual Technology Fair - The Carroll Center for the Blind

The Tech Fair will be conducted remotely via Zoom, and registration is free to all. The keynote speaker will be Jonathan Mosen, longtime advoicate for visually-impaired and blind people, and host of the Mosen At Large podcast. Carroll Center staff members will make presentations about IOS 15 features, using Amazon’s Alexa, and tips and tricks for using screen reader programs in the Windows operating system environment. Visit the Virtual Exhibition Hall where you can interact with some of your favorite assistive technology vendors.

Regards,

David

 

 


Re: Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!


You also can download it from the oficial repository:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=wetp


Best regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 13:31 de 21/11/2021, Jarek.Krcmar escreveu:

Hello all in group,

I want download and install a new version of Weather plus, but the downloading doesn't work.

I would like to know, where is an error, and how to download it.

Do you have any idea, please?


Re: Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hi Chriss,

thank you for the link.

It's already working.

Jarek

Dne 21.11.2021 v 15:49 Chris Mullins napsal(a):


Hi

You can download the stable 8.7 version from

https://nvda-addons.org/

Just search for Weather_Plus when on the site.

Cheers

Chris

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*Sent: *21 November 2021 13:32
*To: *Nvda <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Hello all in group,

I want download and install a new version of Weather plus, but the

downloading doesn't work.

I would like to know, where is an error, and how to download it.

Do you have any idea, please?

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Re: Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

You can download the stable 8.7 version from

 

https://nvda-addons.org/

 

Just search for Weather_Plus when on the site.

Cheers

Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: 21 November 2021 13:32
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

 

Hello all in group,

 

I want download and install a new version of Weather plus, but the

downloading doesn't work.

 

I would like to know, where is an error, and how to download it.

 

Do you have any idea, please?

 

 

--

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Computer says a new version of Weather is available, but the downloading doesn't work

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello all in group,

I want download and install a new version of Weather plus, but the downloading doesn't work.

I would like to know, where is an error, and how to download it.

Do you have any idea, please?


--
Jarek


Re: More flexible line length in browsing mode

Gene
 

In browse mode, you can set the line length.  The default is one-hundred carachters.  I suppose it would be possible to have a read by sentence option but I don’t know if there is any .demand for that.  And it would conflict with sentences in which there are links and you have NVDA set to read every link on its own line. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More flexible line length in browsing mode
 
I believe in browse mode lines are defined visually, I don't recall NVDA
setting that would define line length.

If you would like to read by sentences, you can install my SentenceNav
add-on.

HTH

--Tony

On 11/18/2021 11:07 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have been using NVDA on and off for a few weeks. It's really a great
> help. I'm new to this mailing list, so please forgive me if I'm asking
> something old.
>
> When reading text from a Web page, the text is read in "lines", and
> the user presses arrow-down for each line. NVDA has a setting for line
> length, which is at 100 characters originally. So well, so good.
>
> What I find somewhat confusing, and possibly a place for improvement,
> is that often a "line" ends a word or two before the end of a
> sentence, or includes a word or two of a new sentence. I suspect that
> quit a bit of thought must have gone into this, but I haven't found
> any details yet.
>
> I would really appreciate if somebody could explain why "lines" end at
> arbitrary positions in sentences, and are not done a bit more flexibly
> so that they more often end at the end of a sentence.
>
> If this has been discussed already, I would appreciate pointers. Also
> if there's some scientific paper about the issue.
>
> I have tried to think about why things are as described above, and
> have come up with various possible reasons. If any of these reasons
> applies, please just tell me.
>
> - There is already a setting/add-on for this, just use it.
>
> - Having more variable line lengths would make it more difficult to read
>   Web pages (e.g. because the intervals between the presses of the down
>   arrow would be more irregular). If that's the case, then I haven't yet
>   had enough practice to notice it.
>
> - Finding better positions to split text into lines is a much harder
>   problem than it looks. It is difficult to find actual sentence
>   boundaries in text (not all periods are sentence endings), and
>   long sentences without punctuation are also difficult to split.
>
> - Finding better positions to split is possible, but good algorithms
>   are too slow. Text-to-speech conversion already uses quite a bit
>   of processing power.
>
> - Finding sentence boundaries is quit language dependent, and therefore
>   difficult to implement in a general way.
>
> - The overall architecture of NVDA (and other screen readers) makes
>   it too difficult to implement such a feature.
>
> - Some other screen readers already do a better job at this, but we
>   at NVDA just have not had time to get around to do something here.
>   Help is appreciated. (I might want to help.)
>
> - That's how screen readers always have done it, and everybody is
>   used to it, and so changing it isn't a good idea.
>
> If there are any other actual or potential reasons, please tell me.
>
> Many thanks in advance for your help.
>
> With kind regards,   Martin.
>
>
>
>
>





Re: More flexible line length in browsing mode

Tony Malykh
 

I believe in browse mode lines are defined visually, I don't recall NVDA setting that would define line length.

If you would like to read by sentences, you can install my SentenceNav add-on.

HTH

--Tony

On 11/18/2021 11:07 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
Hello everybody,

I have been using NVDA on and off for a few weeks. It's really a great help. I'm new to this mailing list, so please forgive me if I'm asking something old.

When reading text from a Web page, the text is read in "lines", and the user presses arrow-down for each line. NVDA has a setting for line length, which is at 100 characters originally. So well, so good.

What I find somewhat confusing, and possibly a place for improvement, is that often a "line" ends a word or two before the end of a sentence, or includes a word or two of a new sentence. I suspect that quit a bit of thought must have gone into this, but I haven't found any details yet.

I would really appreciate if somebody could explain why "lines" end at arbitrary positions in sentences, and are not done a bit more flexibly so that they more often end at the end of a sentence.

If this has been discussed already, I would appreciate pointers. Also if there's some scientific paper about the issue.

I have tried to think about why things are as described above, and have come up with various possible reasons. If any of these reasons applies, please just tell me.

- There is already a setting/add-on for this, just use it.

- Having more variable line lengths would make it more difficult to read
  Web pages (e.g. because the intervals between the presses of the down
  arrow would be more irregular). If that's the case, then I haven't yet
  had enough practice to notice it.

- Finding better positions to split text into lines is a much harder
  problem than it looks. It is difficult to find actual sentence
  boundaries in text (not all periods are sentence endings), and
  long sentences without punctuation are also difficult to split.

- Finding better positions to split is possible, but good algorithms
  are too slow. Text-to-speech conversion already uses quite a bit
  of processing power.

- Finding sentence boundaries is quit language dependent, and therefore
  difficult to implement in a general way.

- The overall architecture of NVDA (and other screen readers) makes
  it too difficult to implement such a feature.

- Some other screen readers already do a better job at this, but we
  at NVDA just have not had time to get around to do something here.
  Help is appreciated. (I might want to help.)

- That's how screen readers always have done it, and everybody is
  used to it, and so changing it isn't a good idea.

If there are any other actual or potential reasons, please tell me.

Many thanks in advance for your help.

With kind regards,   Martin.




Re: NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think one of mine said “return” or “new line” or nothing at all. and now I can’t remember which one as that might have been in 1987 or so.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 1:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

I don’t know but enter is what screen-readers generally say if you have them set to speak such keys. 

 

Gene

-----Originall Message-----

Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Thank you Dina, Gene, and Brian for all your suggestions. I am curious at to what the technical barriers exist  for NVDA being unable to simply say ‘New Line’ for the enter key. Is it because of the lookahead it has to perform for the ‘line feed’ character? If that is the case, I would still be happy if it said ‘carriage return’ like it does when I move up and down lines in my Wordpad file.

 

Warmly,

Mani

  . 



On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Check out the NVDA global commands extension... it allows you to turn individual keys on and off.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Hello Gene,

I wouldn’t mind having the “Speak commands’ turned on when in Wordpad but elsewhere it gets annoying! I wish there was a command to quickly turn ‘Speak commands’ on and off.

Well if not, I will have to get used to the silence. :)

 

Mani

 




On Nov 17, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

NVDA doesn’t speak any command keys by default.  You already know what happens when you turn speak command keys on.  

 

You may find that you quickly get used to not hearing enter.  You may expect it since you evidently have heard it in the past but giving not hearing it a chance for perhaps a few days or a week may get you used to not hearing it and it may not matter any longer.

 

I believe the option should be available.  People should be able to choose which command keys they hear, but since I know of no way they can, if you get used to not hearing it quickly, the problem may not matter shortly.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Good to hear from you again after a long time. :)
Thank you Sarah. But you have no idea as to why NVDA does not speak the enter key on Wordpad?

Mani


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> 
> I recommend Jarte. It is no longer being made, but it is one of my favorite programs to use for an RTF editor and a docx  viewer.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
> 
> Hello all,
> Having worked on the Mac with Voiceover for many years, I am a newbie to Windows and NVDA which I am learning through the user guide and enjoying it. 
> A RTF editor is a must for what I do and I chose Wordpad (I will welcome ideas for any better NVDA-accessible and free editors).  I don’t know what setting would make NVDA speak the enter key whenever I move to a new line. Setting the ‘Speak commands’ option on does speak it but speaks all other commands I press in the process.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks,.
> 
> Warmly,
> Mani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





 

 


Re: NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can’t you customize that key, or am I confused with the punctuation dictionary.  If so, then ignore me.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Thank you Dina, Gene, and Brian for all your suggestions. I am curious at to what the technical barriers exist  for NVDA being unable to simply say ‘New Line’ for the enter key. Is it because of the lookahead it has to perform for the ‘line feed’ character? If that is the case, I would still be happy if it said ‘carriage return’ like it does when I move up and down lines in my Wordpad file.

 

Warmly,

Mani

  .  



On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Check out the NVDA global commands extension... it allows you to turn individual keys on and off.

 

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Hello Gene,

I wouldn’t mind having the “Speak commands’ turned on when in Wordpad but elsewhere it gets annoying! I wish there was a command to quickly turn ‘Speak commands’ on and off.

Well if not, I will have to get used to the silence. :)

 

Mani

 




On Nov 17, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

NVDA doesn’t speak any command keys by default.  You already know what happens when you turn speak command keys on.  

 

You may find that you quickly get used to not hearing enter.  You may expect it since you evidently have heard it in the past but giving not hearing it a chance for perhaps a few days or a week may get you used to not hearing it and it may not matter any longer.

 

I believe the option should be available.  People should be able to choose which command keys they hear, but since I know of no way they can, if you get used to not hearing it quickly, the problem may not matter shortly.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:52 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

 

Good to hear from you again after a long time. :)
Thank you Sarah. But you have no idea as to why NVDA does not speak the enter key on Wordpad?

Mani


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> 
> I recommend Jarte. It is no longer being made, but it is one of my favorite programs to use for an RTF editor and a docx  viewer.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
> 
> Hello all,
> Having worked on the Mac with Voiceover for many years, I am a newbie to Windows and NVDA which I am learning through the user guide and enjoying it. 
> A RTF editor is a must for what I do and I chose Wordpad (I will welcome ideas for any better NVDA-accessible and free editors).  I don’t know what setting would make NVDA speak the enter key whenever I move to a new line. Setting the ‘Speak commands’ option on does speak it but speaks all other commands I press in the process.
> 
> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks,.
> 
> Warmly,
> Mani
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





 

 


Re: Volume in Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 04:05 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I don't know how that TB configuration got created.  I didn't do it on purpose and I don't think it did anything I needed.
-
A classic example of why my advice to all my clients, about any sort of software, setting, etc., is if your answer when someone asks, "Do you use {insert thing here}?," is either "no," or, "I don't know," the probability that you actually need it is virtually zero.

Most people remember that they created something, or installed something, even if the details may be hazy.  But having no recall means it's almost certainly something that was either unintentionally created or, in the case of a lot of pre-installed software, falls into the class of bloatware that almost no one uses.  Bloatware is one of the reasons that many technicians do a completely clean reinstall of Windows 10 or Windows 11 as the first thing they do with a brand new machine.  What comes from Microsoft has none of that and you end up with a pristine Windows instance.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Running NVDA on macOS using parallels

 

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 02:17 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
I do recommend that you think closely about if a Mac is your right choice and I say this as somebody who uses a Mac on a daily basis and has for 30 years. I suggest you discuss your reasons for wanting to switch to a Macintosh on the MacVisionaries mailing list that is run by Google Groups.
-
I couldn't agree more, and that's no matter what computing ecosystem you're thinking of abandoning and which you are thinking about transitioning to.

I have seen people jumping from PC to Mac, PC to Linux, and vice versa with each of those often believing that "the grass is greener on the other side."  It isn't, at least on the whole.  And when you walk away from what you already know "in every fiber of your being" after years of using whatever ecosystem you've been using you end up with a period where frustration is high because things you used to do without thinking no longer work that way.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad

Gene
 

I don’t know but enter is what screen-readers generally say if you have them set to speak such keys. 
 
Gene
-----Originall Message-----

Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 
Thank you Dina, Gene, and Brian for all your suggestions. I am curious at to what the technical barriers exist  for NVDA being unable to simply say ‘New Line’ for the enter key. Is it because of the lookahead it has to perform for the ‘line feed’ character? If that is the case, I would still be happy if it said ‘carriage return’ like it does when I move up and down lines in my Wordpad file.
 
Warmly,
Mani
  . 

On Nov 18, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:
 
Hi,
 
Check out the NVDA global commands extension... it allows you to turn individual keys on and off.
 
Thanks.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 17 November 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 
Hello Gene,
I wouldn’t mind having the “Speak commands’ turned on when in Wordpad but elsewhere it gets annoying! I wish there was a command to quickly turn ‘Speak commands’ on and off.
Well if not, I will have to get used to the silence. :)
 
Mani
 


On Nov 17, 2021, at 12:42 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
 
NVDA doesn’t speak any command keys by default.  You already know what happens when you turn speak command keys on.  
 
You may find that you quickly get used to not hearing enter.  You may expect it since you evidently have heard it in the past but giving not hearing it a chance for perhaps a few days or a week may get you used to not hearing it and it may not matter any longer.
 
I believe the option should be available.  People should be able to choose which command keys they hear, but since I know of no way they can, if you get used to not hearing it quickly, the problem may not matter shortly.
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
 

Good to hear from you again after a long time. :)
Thank you Sarah. But you have no idea as to why NVDA does not speak the enter key on Wordpad?

Mani


> On Nov 17, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
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> I recommend Jarte. It is no longer being made, but it is one of my favorite programs to use for an RTF editor and a docx  viewer.
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 7:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA speechless on the enter key in Wordpad
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> Hello all,
> Having worked on the Mac with Voiceover for many years, I am a newbie to Windows and NVDA which I am learning through the user guide and enjoying it. 
> A RTF editor is a must for what I do and I chose Wordpad (I will welcome ideas for any better NVDA-accessible and free editors).  I don’t know what setting would make NVDA speak the enter key whenever I move to a new line. Setting the ‘Speak commands’ option on does speak it but speaks all other commands I press in the process.
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> Any help will be appreciated. Thanks,.
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> Warmly,
> Mani
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