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Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks for this, but I don’t think I was clear enough in what I was saying.

 

If you examine the screen of an app with for example, the JAWS cursor, or in review mode in NVDA, you can get a “feel” what what is left or right, top or bottom of the screen.

 

But in a virtual buffer on the web, you really can’t, it’s just like reading lines of text.

 

Sometimes, I think that is the downfall of virtual buffers.

 

NVDA and JAWS’ screen layout support sometimes helps, but they are not as granular as as reading the screen in review modes.

 

Thanks again for this discussion, it is fascinating.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 November 2021 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

I sometimes wish I could get a handle on the “visual” layout of the screen, so said sighted person could say to me “It’s at top left”, but because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

-
Steve,

I was going to send this reply as a private message, but reconsidered, since it could be of use to more than yourself.

When I was working at the Virginia School for the Deaf and the Blind, I was fairly "up close and personal" at times with both O&M instruction as well as things like classroom math instruction where tactile diagrams were in use.  In all of those cases, but particularly tactile diagrams, orientation in 2D space was used, and extensively, but access was by touch, of course.

But the basic concepts apply to the computer screen as well, if you think of it as a page, which in reality the screen really is.  Mind you, I doubt it's very useful to you to know that something you cannot access with the senses you possess is at "the upper left" but the concept of "the upper left" as a location is the same for a screen as it is for a physical page.  This allows you to have some rough, and very rough, ability to "pin down" the location that someone has described visually.  If you want to get into playing games with someone where that would not lead to possible disaster, you could use that knowlege to "point out" the rough location on the screen and, on occasion, you may hit the exact target.  But if you have a sighted assistant who wants to work with you with exactitude, it's not difficult for them to describe something as being "near the top left, about one inch down and two inches in," which, again, may be of no help to you directly, but can be of help to you if you need to give that same information to someone who's sighted who is not present at that moment and where you know you'll be making reference to the exact same material at a later point in time.  And you can really weird them out if you just casually toss out, "That {insert specific button, object, etc. here} is the red one thats about an inch down and two inches over from the upper left corner of the screen."  The slack-jawed, "How could you know that reaction," that you might get back, at least the first time you do this to someone sighted, can be quite amusing.  Practical jokes can be most amusing, particularly when they get played from very unexpected angles, and some are way more unexpected than others.
 
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Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

As someone who is blind from birth, I totally agree with you.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 November 2021 18:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

-
I lost a very dear friend in January 2021 who I'd known for over a decade, was my Mom's age (I lost her in August), 84, and who was blind since birth.

We had quite a few discussions regarding what I call "the reference chasm" that exists between the blind (as in have always been blind) and the sighted.  Two of the primary visual cues are color and position in 2D or 3D space, and neither one of those things has any meaningful exact equivalent if you've never been able to see.  Yes, you get that color is a category that goes with sight, but you have no idea of exactly how it works, and the same, but to a lesser extent, with visual placement cues, because there is definitely a partial translation to the other senses.  If there weren't, you could literally not make your way around in the world, know where things were located in your home, etc.  But it's still not the same as being able to take it all in, all at once, as a whole, and where the entire frame of reference is absolutely obvious to all involved (if they're all present in the same space or looking at the same thing on various computer screens).

They were fascinating conversations to have had, and we both learned a very great deal about each other's sensory palettes and the mental paradigms that we each built based upon those.  It was intriguing when you hit upon unexpected overlaps as well as certain unexpected disconnects in how we each constructed our models of the world.

My biggest regret as far as that chasm went was knowing that there was absolutely no way to communicate color.  You just cannot do it for someone who's never had the basic sensory apparatus to experience it.  The same would be true of smell or taste in the case of trying to describe or communicate it to someone who's never had that sense.  Think about trying to describe sweet, salty, bitter, cheesy, etc., to someone who has never been able to taste.  These things are self-defining and directly based on sensory experience.  And without having had it, they cannot be adequately described in any way.
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Re: Enabling Add-ons.

Chris
 

Open the addon manager under the nvda tools menu then select the addon to enable then tab to the enable button and hit enter then tab to close and restart nvda when prompted

 

 

From: Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: 22 November 2021 06:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Enabling Add-ons.

 

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

for the time being, I'm going to stay in the same aldio editor... it's not very complete, but it suits my needs

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 04:50, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Re: Enabling Add-ons.

Jujube
 

TO access the addons manager, go to NVDA menu > tools > manage addons. The keyboard command is NVDA+n, t, a. Hope this helps :)


On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:52 PM Thomas E Williamson, Senior <pofm2016@...> wrote:

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Enabling Add-ons.

Thomas E Williamson, Senior
 

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.


On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Re: More flexible line length in browsing mode

Quentin Christensen
 

As Gene noted, the line length in NVDA is a simple number - and it doesn't look to see if it can "just add the last word of a sentence".  I can see that it might be advantageous though, I would suggest the best thing to do is create an issue on our tracker at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues requesting the feature.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 1:20 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
In browse mode, you can set the line length.  The default is one-hundred carachters.  I suppose it would be possible to have a read by sentence option but I don’t know if there is any .demand for that.  And it would conflict with sentences in which there are links and you have NVDA set to read every link on its own line. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More flexible line length in browsing mode
 
I believe in browse mode lines are defined visually, I don't recall NVDA
setting that would define line length.

If you would like to read by sentences, you can install my SentenceNav
add-on.

HTH

--Tony

On 11/18/2021 11:07 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have been using NVDA on and off for a few weeks. It's really a great
> help. I'm new to this mailing list, so please forgive me if I'm asking
> something old.
>
> When reading text from a Web page, the text is read in "lines", and
> the user presses arrow-down for each line. NVDA has a setting for line
> length, which is at 100 characters originally. So well, so good.
>
> What I find somewhat confusing, and possibly a place for improvement,
> is that often a "line" ends a word or two before the end of a
> sentence, or includes a word or two of a new sentence. I suspect that
> quit a bit of thought must have gone into this, but I haven't found
> any details yet.
>
> I would really appreciate if somebody could explain why "lines" end at
> arbitrary positions in sentences, and are not done a bit more flexibly
> so that they more often end at the end of a sentence.
>
> If this has been discussed already, I would appreciate pointers. Also
> if there's some scientific paper about the issue.
>
> I have tried to think about why things are as described above, and
> have come up with various possible reasons. If any of these reasons
> applies, please just tell me.
>
> - There is already a setting/add-on for this, just use it.
>
> - Having more variable line lengths would make it more difficult to read
>   Web pages (e.g. because the intervals between the presses of the down
>   arrow would be more irregular). If that's the case, then I haven't yet
>   had enough practice to notice it.
>
> - Finding better positions to split text into lines is a much harder
>   problem than it looks. It is difficult to find actual sentence
>   boundaries in text (not all periods are sentence endings), and
>   long sentences without punctuation are also difficult to split.
>
> - Finding better positions to split is possible, but good algorithms
>   are too slow. Text-to-speech conversion already uses quite a bit
>   of processing power.
>
> - Finding sentence boundaries is quit language dependent, and therefore
>   difficult to implement in a general way.
>
> - The overall architecture of NVDA (and other screen readers) makes
>   it too difficult to implement such a feature.
>
> - Some other screen readers already do a better job at this, but we
>   at NVDA just have not had time to get around to do something here.
>   Help is appreciated. (I might want to help.)
>
> - That's how screen readers always have done it, and everybody is
>   used to it, and so changing it isn't a good idea.
>
> If there are any other actual or potential reasons, please tell me.
>
> Many thanks in advance for your help.
>
> With kind regards,   Martin.
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Re: NVDA - Working with Math and Sound Themes

Quentin Christensen
 

HI there,

For the first part, see the NVDA user guide section on reading mathematical content: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReadingMath

The main software is MathPlayer and MathType.

For the sound themes question, I'll leave that for someone else, I haven't looked into it myself.

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 2:49 AM cisco <audiogamer2004@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

I’m quite sorry that I could not think of an easier to understand subject but I am not good at that.

Also, I am sorry if one or both of the questions I am going to ask had to be asked on the chat group.

 

My first questions is, is there any software that a blind highschooler can use in conjunction with NvDA to do their math work?

 

My second question is, does anyone have an NVDA sound theme which has android’s talkback sounds and which is also compatible with the “Audio Themes” NVDA add-on?

 

Thank you for any answer, and again, I’m sorry for all I said above.

Best regards.

Francisco.



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Re: keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes

Quentin Christensen
 

Getting back to the original question,

For a lot of dialog boxes such as error messages, you can actually copy them just by pressing control+c.

I think it was an update to Windows a couple years back added that but I can't recall.

I just opened notepad, typed a couple of characters and pressed alt+f4.  When it asked me what I wanted to do, I pressed control+c and here's what I got:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]



On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 8:38 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
And I think it’s worth noting that using caps lock as an NVDA key is off by default in both layouts and that it is very useful in the desktop layout if you turn it on there.  It isn’t just intended for use in the laptop layout. 
 
I use the desktop layout and I find execution of a number of NVDA commands much more convenient using the caps lock.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes
 
Just to get up on my recent soapbox in several venues, it cannot (and I'd say should not) be presumed that any random laptop user is actually using laptop keyboard layout.

NVDA uses desktop layout by default on any laptop on which I've installed it and the majority of laptops have been sporting a full-size desktop type keyboard for some time now.

Laptops with classic laptop keyboard layout are the exception, not the rule.

Keyboard layout depends on the keyboard itself, not the thing it's connected to or built into.

One can use laptop layout with a full-size keyboard, but not vice versa.
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Re: Icon that appears on selecting a table in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not actually sure there is a keyboard way of bringing up that toolbar - as in, I can only make it appear WITH the mouse.  Can you give a use case where you might want to bring that up with the mouse but then need to access it with the keyboard?

And if we did something like override the context menu, we'd need to be sure that there wasn't something you could only get to from the normal context menu...

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 5:48 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear Quentin,

Thanks for the clear explanation. I think the floating toolbar that
appears on left-clicking that icon is what I was hoping to pull up.
While there are alternative ways to access those options, I think
there still is value to accessing these icons, and I was wondering if
there is a GitHub ticket reporting this. If not, would you be willing
to file one?

Thanks.

On 11/18/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> When you hover over a table or the focus is in a table, there is an icon at
> the top left which is square with the move (four way arrows) symbol.  You
> can click on this and drag to move the table.  I don't think there is an
> equivalent keyboard command, aside from selecting, cutting and pasting.
>
> If you left click on this icon, it brings up a kind of floating toolbar,
> where you can select some of the font and paragraph options, some options
> for deleting or inserting, as well as adding a comment or opening table
> styles.
>
> While the order is different, you can get to most of these options from the
> context menu, and the rest (standard font and paragraph options) from the
> ribbon.
>
> There is a plain white square at the bottom right corner of the table.
> Clicking and dragging it resizes the table, which you can otherwise do from
> the Table Layout ribbon - alt, then j, then l.  If you click on this
> without dragging, it opens the same floating toolbar as described for the
> other icon.
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am currently using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 and Word for Microsoft 365 on
>> a Windows 10 machine. From a sighted person I am working with, I have
>> learnt that when I select an entire table (by going to browse mode and
>> setting start and end markers), a certain icon shows up which contains
>> several options. This icon gives options different from that which I
>> get on pressing the Applications key. If you have followed my question
>> so far, do you know of a way to access and click this icon
>> independently?
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>> I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
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>> Best Regards,
>> Bhavya Shah
>> Stanford University | Class of 2024
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Re: Question about updating from NVDA 2021.2 to 2021.3 with Windows 10 21H2

Quentin Christensen
 

I just got to installing the 21h2 update, so I'm now running Windows 10 (64-bit) Version: 2009, Build: 19044.

With this thread in mind, the first thing I did was manually download a fairly recent (but not newest) alpha snapshot, and installed it over the top of my copy of NVDA.  That worked fine.  I then checked for updates and let it update to the latest alpha snapshot.  Again, no issues.

Based on my thorough minute and a half of testing that, I believe the update from NVDA 2021.2 to NVDA 2021.3 should work just fine on Windows 21H2 when NVDA 2021.3 comes out - unless anyone can point me to anything else to test or which indicates it might not work?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 5:41 AM Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:
Hi.  There was a post on the Windows Access with screen readers list that looked like it came from another list detailing the problem with JAWS.  I didn't want to cross-post it so I figured I'd just ask a direct question.

Thanks,

Louise



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Re: NVDA and Libre Office Calc

Quentin Christensen
 

Cearbhall,

NVDA has not traditionally worked as well with Libre Office Calc as with Excel - primarily because traditionally we just haven't had the cooperation from Libre Office devs to enable it.  We are starting to get some more collaboration so I'm hoping for good things in both future versions of Libre Office and of NVDA.

I hadn't tried Calc lately, but you are right, headers don't seem to work.  I just had a quick look at our issues and couldn't see one in there for it.  If someone else could double check please and write up if needed, that would be great: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Brian,

The headers that NVDA creates are named cells in Excel which other screenreaders can recognise and work with.  I must admit I haven't looked into the technicalities of automatically defining Excel's table headings as headers which NVDA could work with.  I do think the idea does deserve some more discussion.  Again, I couldn't see an issue for this, so if you are interested in writing one up, it would be worth more discussion on GitHub.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 5:36 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Cearbhall,

I hate even giving this response, but it's a suggestion based on a hunch.  The commands you give from NVDA are, if memory serves, NVDA specific and are used on an Excel spreadsheet where the person who created the spreadsheet did not use the Excel row and column heading feature that carries this information along with the xlsx file itself so that other users don't have to go "the screen reader route" of defining these each time the file is opened.

Have you tried using the Excel built-in heading definition function, then opening a file saved with same in Calc to see if it makes any difference in what NVDA can pick up under Calc?
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An important (and a critical) notice for StationPlaylist and NVDA users: limited support for Studio 6, declaring end of maintenance for Studio add-on in January 2022

 

Hello everyone,

The following notice is applicable if you are using StationPlaylist with NVDA (perhaps with SPL add-on installed):

A while ago I sent an announcement to various NVDA channels regarding ending maintenance for most of my add-ons in 2022, and StationPlaylist add-on is one of them. Due to a combination of what is going on with just released StationPlaylist Studio 6 and life priorities, I’m making a difficult decision to end maintenance for StationPlaylist add-on, effective January 2022. For people migrating to Studio 6, I will do my best to provide at least limited support for a few weeks before I hand the add-on to the NVDA community for further maintenance.

The biggest change in Studio 6 is layout changes. But that’s just one of the changes – Studio 6 does not provide easy to obtain accessibility labels for some screen elements, most notably status bar items such as automation and Studio uptime fields. Although you can use screen review to obtain status text, that workaround is not ideal, especially for people who may not possess the knowledge necessary to manipulate review cursor, switch review modes, and related tasks. Although it might be possible to deal with layout changes, the fact that important screen elements do not have easy to obtain accessibility labels usable by screen readers became the final straw. Combined with the fact that I am a graduate student with additional duties for the university I attend means I do not have time to maintain StationPlaylist add-on past January 2022.

I understand the importance of StationPlaylist NVDA add-on for broadcasters using StationPlaylist suite. Therefore I am doing everything I can to provide at least limited support for Studio 6 and resolve important issues while trying to study for graduate school classes (especially for finals coming up in the near future). StationPlaylist users, I can assure you that I’m listening to your feedback and doing my best to resolve important issues as part of upcoming StationPlaylist add-on 21.11 release. To NVDA community, please help a struggling graduate student by stepping up to maintain the SPL add-on. Add-on repo can be found at:

https://github.com/josephsl/stationplaylist

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.


On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: rearranging items in task bar

 

From this message on the Windows Access for Screen Reader Users group comes the recommendation to review this YouTube Video:  Pin and Arrange Apps on the Taskbar in Windows 11 with JAWS

What's discussed is a new feature of Windows 11, not JAWS, and the screen reader in use shouldn't matter.  There have been people asking whether this is possible under Windows 10, and the answer as of this time is no.  It could be back ported at some point, though.
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