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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

cisco
 

Hello there,

 

The only restriction that Reaper gives without you purchasing it is a window that you can close after four seconds on first start of the software per session that basically says that Reaper is not free, and that you should purchase it because that would help them greatly.

Except that, Reaper can be used without buying a license as far as I know, I am using it without a problem, and I’ve had it for more than a year.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ableton live suport with NVDA

 

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

 

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:

is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

 

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

 

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

 

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:

I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?


 

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Re: Status Bars and NVDA

Monte Single
 

Hello Bhavya,

I am using win10 21h2 With n vda 2021.2 and office 2016 and current chrome.
I use nvda key+end to read status line.
In chrome I have no result.
In m s outlook, in the message list, I get total number of messages and number of unread messages.
In m s word I get page number, word count, etc..
In wordpad I get nothing.

Cheers,

Mont

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: November 22, 2021 4:42 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Status Bars and NVDA

Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 on a Windows 10 machine. To my knowledge, back in the day at least, I thought status bars were incredibly common and present in most applications. I had a bunch of programs open and decided to issue the read status bar command (NVDA+Shift+End on a laptop) to see what happened. The results are
below:
* Wordpad: "No status line found"
* Windows Explorer: "No status line found"
* Stata: "j"
* Microsoft Edge: "No status line found"
* Word for Microsoft 365: "Status Bar Page Number Page 2 of 32 Word Count 2728 words Spelling and Grammar Check Errors Text Predictions Text Predictions: On Accessibility Checker Accessibility: Investigate Focus Read Mode Print Layout Web Layout Zoom Out Zoom 160 Zoom In Zoom 160%" after a 2.5 second delay
* Wordweb: "wordweb.info"

In this experiment, most programs gave no valuable information. In the one program that did have a meaningful status bar, NVDA took a solid
2.5 seconds to read it. Are status bars truly becoming obsolete? Or does this hint at an issue in NVDA's read status bar command?

I would appreciate any thoughts and inputs.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: Status Bars and NVDA

Christo de Klerk
 

In some cases, Like File Explorer, status lines are there, but NVDA just does not read them. Rui Fontes developed an handy addon that reads most status lines, but I believe this functionality should form part of the NVDA core. A long time ago I wrote about this, but NVDA developers did not seem particularly interested in this issue. One of them even wrote that one could get at the information in the status line by pressing the review cursor key to jump to the bottom line and then pressing the key to read that line. Sure, that can be done, but it would just be more convenient to have a key which is supposed to read status lines to work correctly. Rui's addon shows that it is not a major undertaking to achieve that.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2021/11/22 12:42pm, Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 on a Windows 10 machine. To my
knowledge, back in the day at least, I thought status bars were
incredibly common and present in most applications. I had a bunch of
programs open and decided to issue the read status bar command
(NVDA+Shift+End on a laptop) to see what happened. The results are
below:
* Wordpad: "No status line found"
* Windows Explorer: "No status line found"
* Stata: "j"
* Microsoft Edge: "No status line found"
* Word for Microsoft 365: "Status Bar Page Number Page 2 of 32 Word
Count 2728 words Spelling and Grammar Check Errors Text Predictions
Text Predictions: On Accessibility Checker Accessibility: Investigate
Focus  Read Mode Print Layout Web Layout Zoom Out Zoom 160 Zoom In
Zoom 160%" after a 2.5 second delay
* Wordweb: "wordweb.info"

In this experiment, most programs gave no valuable information. In the
one program that did have a meaningful status bar, NVDA took a solid
2.5 seconds to read it. Are status bars truly becoming obsolete? Or
does this hint at an issue in NVDA's read status bar command?

I would appreciate any thoughts and inputs.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







Re: Status Bars and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bhavya,

The issue is partly in NVDA's handling of status bars in some applications.  There are several issues on it, but this one I think at least references most of the other issues: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6769

Now that a couple of other issues which were blocking it have been resolved, it might be possible to resolve this, but I'm not sure where work on it is at.

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 9:42 PM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 on a Windows 10 machine. To my
knowledge, back in the day at least, I thought status bars were
incredibly common and present in most applications. I had a bunch of
programs open and decided to issue the read status bar command
(NVDA+Shift+End on a laptop) to see what happened. The results are
below:
* Wordpad: "No status line found"
* Windows Explorer: "No status line found"
* Stata: "j"
* Microsoft Edge: "No status line found"
* Word for Microsoft 365: "Status Bar Page Number Page 2 of 32 Word
Count 2728 words Spelling and Grammar Check Errors Text Predictions
Text Predictions: On Accessibility Checker Accessibility: Investigate
Focus  Read Mode Print Layout Web Layout Zoom Out Zoom 160 Zoom In
Zoom 160%" after a 2.5 second delay
* Wordweb: "wordweb.info"

In this experiment, most programs gave no valuable information. In the
one program that did have a meaningful status bar, NVDA took a solid
2.5 seconds to read it. Are status bars truly becoming obsolete? Or
does this hint at an issue in NVDA's read status bar command?

I would appreciate any thoughts and inputs.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/







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Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Sim Kah Yong
 

Thanks for the instruction. Is there a more straightforward way of doing it?

I tried to do it by restarting NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But there is no way for me to enable just the Whatsapp add-on from there. Thanks.

On 22/11/2021 2:41 pm, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.


On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Status Bars and NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 on a Windows 10 machine. To my
knowledge, back in the day at least, I thought status bars were
incredibly common and present in most applications. I had a bunch of
programs open and decided to issue the read status bar command
(NVDA+Shift+End on a laptop) to see what happened. The results are
below:
* Wordpad: "No status line found"
* Windows Explorer: "No status line found"
* Stata: "j"
* Microsoft Edge: "No status line found"
* Word for Microsoft 365: "Status Bar Page Number Page 2 of 32 Word
Count 2728 words Spelling and Grammar Check Errors Text Predictions
Text Predictions: On Accessibility Checker Accessibility: Investigate
Focus Read Mode Print Layout Web Layout Zoom Out Zoom 160 Zoom In
Zoom 160%" after a 2.5 second delay
* Wordweb: "wordweb.info"

In this experiment, most programs gave no valuable information. In the
one program that did have a meaningful status bar, NVDA took a solid
2.5 seconds to read it. Are status bars truly becoming obsolete? Or
does this hint at an issue in NVDA's read status bar command?

I would appreciate any thoughts and inputs.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks for this, but I don’t think I was clear enough in what I was saying.

 

If you examine the screen of an app with for example, the JAWS cursor, or in review mode in NVDA, you can get a “feel” what what is left or right, top or bottom of the screen.

 

But in a virtual buffer on the web, you really can’t, it’s just like reading lines of text.

 

Sometimes, I think that is the downfall of virtual buffers.

 

NVDA and JAWS’ screen layout support sometimes helps, but they are not as granular as as reading the screen in review modes.

 

Thanks again for this discussion, it is fascinating.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 November 2021 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

I sometimes wish I could get a handle on the “visual” layout of the screen, so said sighted person could say to me “It’s at top left”, but because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

-
Steve,

I was going to send this reply as a private message, but reconsidered, since it could be of use to more than yourself.

When I was working at the Virginia School for the Deaf and the Blind, I was fairly "up close and personal" at times with both O&M instruction as well as things like classroom math instruction where tactile diagrams were in use.  In all of those cases, but particularly tactile diagrams, orientation in 2D space was used, and extensively, but access was by touch, of course.

But the basic concepts apply to the computer screen as well, if you think of it as a page, which in reality the screen really is.  Mind you, I doubt it's very useful to you to know that something you cannot access with the senses you possess is at "the upper left" but the concept of "the upper left" as a location is the same for a screen as it is for a physical page.  This allows you to have some rough, and very rough, ability to "pin down" the location that someone has described visually.  If you want to get into playing games with someone where that would not lead to possible disaster, you could use that knowlege to "point out" the rough location on the screen and, on occasion, you may hit the exact target.  But if you have a sighted assistant who wants to work with you with exactitude, it's not difficult for them to describe something as being "near the top left, about one inch down and two inches in," which, again, may be of no help to you directly, but can be of help to you if you need to give that same information to someone who's sighted who is not present at that moment and where you know you'll be making reference to the exact same material at a later point in time.  And you can really weird them out if you just casually toss out, "That {insert specific button, object, etc. here} is the red one thats about an inch down and two inches over from the upper left corner of the screen."  The slack-jawed, "How could you know that reaction," that you might get back, at least the first time you do this to someone sighted, can be quite amusing.  Practical jokes can be most amusing, particularly when they get played from very unexpected angles, and some are way more unexpected than others.
 
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Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

As someone who is blind from birth, I totally agree with you.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 19 November 2021 18:01
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

-
I lost a very dear friend in January 2021 who I'd known for over a decade, was my Mom's age (I lost her in August), 84, and who was blind since birth.

We had quite a few discussions regarding what I call "the reference chasm" that exists between the blind (as in have always been blind) and the sighted.  Two of the primary visual cues are color and position in 2D or 3D space, and neither one of those things has any meaningful exact equivalent if you've never been able to see.  Yes, you get that color is a category that goes with sight, but you have no idea of exactly how it works, and the same, but to a lesser extent, with visual placement cues, because there is definitely a partial translation to the other senses.  If there weren't, you could literally not make your way around in the world, know where things were located in your home, etc.  But it's still not the same as being able to take it all in, all at once, as a whole, and where the entire frame of reference is absolutely obvious to all involved (if they're all present in the same space or looking at the same thing on various computer screens).

They were fascinating conversations to have had, and we both learned a very great deal about each other's sensory palettes and the mental paradigms that we each built based upon those.  It was intriguing when you hit upon unexpected overlaps as well as certain unexpected disconnects in how we each constructed our models of the world.

My biggest regret as far as that chasm went was knowing that there was absolutely no way to communicate color.  You just cannot do it for someone who's never had the basic sensory apparatus to experience it.  The same would be true of smell or taste in the case of trying to describe or communicate it to someone who's never had that sense.  Think about trying to describe sweet, salty, bitter, cheesy, etc., to someone who has never been able to taste.  These things are self-defining and directly based on sensory experience.  And without having had it, they cannot be adequately described in any way.
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Re: Enabling Add-ons.

Chris
 

Open the addon manager under the nvda tools menu then select the addon to enable then tab to the enable button and hit enter then tab to close and restart nvda when prompted

 

 

From: Thomas E Williamson, Senior
Sent: 22 November 2021 06:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Enabling Add-ons.

 

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 

 


Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

for the time being, I'm going to stay in the same aldio editor... it's not very complete, but it suits my needs

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 04:50, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Enabling Add-ons.

Jujube
 

TO access the addons manager, go to NVDA menu > tools > manage addons. The keyboard command is NVDA+n, t, a. Hope this helps :)


On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 10:52 PM Thomas E Williamson, Senior <pofm2016@...> wrote:

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Training and Support Manager


Enabling Add-ons.

Thomas E Williamson, Senior
 

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2021 12:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

 

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

 

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
--

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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 


Re: Slight problem with Whatsapp Desktop add-on

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.


On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Re: More flexible line length in browsing mode

Quentin Christensen
 

As Gene noted, the line length in NVDA is a simple number - and it doesn't look to see if it can "just add the last word of a sentence".  I can see that it might be advantageous though, I would suggest the best thing to do is create an issue on our tracker at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues requesting the feature.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 1:20 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
In browse mode, you can set the line length.  The default is one-hundred carachters.  I suppose it would be possible to have a read by sentence option but I don’t know if there is any .demand for that.  And it would conflict with sentences in which there are links and you have NVDA set to read every link on its own line. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More flexible line length in browsing mode
 
I believe in browse mode lines are defined visually, I don't recall NVDA
setting that would define line length.

If you would like to read by sentences, you can install my SentenceNav
add-on.

HTH

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On 11/18/2021 11:07 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I have been using NVDA on and off for a few weeks. It's really a great
> help. I'm new to this mailing list, so please forgive me if I'm asking
> something old.
>
> When reading text from a Web page, the text is read in "lines", and
> the user presses arrow-down for each line. NVDA has a setting for line
> length, which is at 100 characters originally. So well, so good.
>
> What I find somewhat confusing, and possibly a place for improvement,
> is that often a "line" ends a word or two before the end of a
> sentence, or includes a word or two of a new sentence. I suspect that
> quit a bit of thought must have gone into this, but I haven't found
> any details yet.
>
> I would really appreciate if somebody could explain why "lines" end at
> arbitrary positions in sentences, and are not done a bit more flexibly
> so that they more often end at the end of a sentence.
>
> If this has been discussed already, I would appreciate pointers. Also
> if there's some scientific paper about the issue.
>
> I have tried to think about why things are as described above, and
> have come up with various possible reasons. If any of these reasons
> applies, please just tell me.
>
> - There is already a setting/add-on for this, just use it.
>
> - Having more variable line lengths would make it more difficult to read
>   Web pages (e.g. because the intervals between the presses of the down
>   arrow would be more irregular). If that's the case, then I haven't yet
>   had enough practice to notice it.
>
> - Finding better positions to split text into lines is a much harder
>   problem than it looks. It is difficult to find actual sentence
>   boundaries in text (not all periods are sentence endings), and
>   long sentences without punctuation are also difficult to split.
>
> - Finding better positions to split is possible, but good algorithms
>   are too slow. Text-to-speech conversion already uses quite a bit
>   of processing power.
>
> - Finding sentence boundaries is quit language dependent, and therefore
>   difficult to implement in a general way.
>
> - The overall architecture of NVDA (and other screen readers) makes
>   it too difficult to implement such a feature.
>
> - Some other screen readers already do a better job at this, but we
>   at NVDA just have not had time to get around to do something here.
>   Help is appreciated. (I might want to help.)
>
> - That's how screen readers always have done it, and everybody is
>   used to it, and so changing it isn't a good idea.
>
> If there are any other actual or potential reasons, please tell me.
>
> Many thanks in advance for your help.
>
> With kind regards,   Martin.
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: ableton live suport with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?



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Re: NVDA - Working with Math and Sound Themes

Quentin Christensen
 

HI there,

For the first part, see the NVDA user guide section on reading mathematical content: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ReadingMath

The main software is MathPlayer and MathType.

For the sound themes question, I'll leave that for someone else, I haven't looked into it myself.

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 2:49 AM cisco <audiogamer2004@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

I’m quite sorry that I could not think of an easier to understand subject but I am not good at that.

Also, I am sorry if one or both of the questions I am going to ask had to be asked on the chat group.

 

My first questions is, is there any software that a blind highschooler can use in conjunction with NvDA to do their math work?

 

My second question is, does anyone have an NVDA sound theme which has android’s talkback sounds and which is also compatible with the “Audio Themes” NVDA add-on?

 

Thank you for any answer, and again, I’m sorry for all I said above.

Best regards.

Francisco.



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Re: keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes

Quentin Christensen
 

Getting back to the original question,

For a lot of dialog boxes such as error messages, you can actually copy them just by pressing control+c.

I think it was an update to Windows a couple years back added that but I can't recall.

I just opened notepad, typed a couple of characters and pressed alt+f4.  When it asked me what I wanted to do, I pressed control+c and here's what I got:

[Window Title]
Notepad

[Main Instruction]
Do you want to save changes to Untitled?

[Save] [Don't Save] [Cancel]



On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 8:38 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
And I think it’s worth noting that using caps lock as an NVDA key is off by default in both layouts and that it is very useful in the desktop layout if you turn it on there.  It isn’t just intended for use in the laptop layout. 
 
I use the desktop layout and I find execution of a number of NVDA commands much more convenient using the caps lock.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] keystroke for copy and pasting dialog boxes
 
Just to get up on my recent soapbox in several venues, it cannot (and I'd say should not) be presumed that any random laptop user is actually using laptop keyboard layout.

NVDA uses desktop layout by default on any laptop on which I've installed it and the majority of laptops have been sporting a full-size desktop type keyboard for some time now.

Laptops with classic laptop keyboard layout are the exception, not the rule.

Keyboard layout depends on the keyboard itself, not the thing it's connected to or built into.

One can use laptop layout with a full-size keyboard, but not vice versa.
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Re: Icon that appears on selecting a table in Word

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not actually sure there is a keyboard way of bringing up that toolbar - as in, I can only make it appear WITH the mouse.  Can you give a use case where you might want to bring that up with the mouse but then need to access it with the keyboard?

And if we did something like override the context menu, we'd need to be sure that there wasn't something you could only get to from the normal context menu...

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 5:48 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Dear Quentin,

Thanks for the clear explanation. I think the floating toolbar that
appears on left-clicking that icon is what I was hoping to pull up.
While there are alternative ways to access those options, I think
there still is value to accessing these icons, and I was wondering if
there is a GitHub ticket reporting this. If not, would you be willing
to file one?

Thanks.

On 11/18/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> When you hover over a table or the focus is in a table, there is an icon at
> the top left which is square with the move (four way arrows) symbol.  You
> can click on this and drag to move the table.  I don't think there is an
> equivalent keyboard command, aside from selecting, cutting and pasting.
>
> If you left click on this icon, it brings up a kind of floating toolbar,
> where you can select some of the font and paragraph options, some options
> for deleting or inserting, as well as adding a comment or opening table
> styles.
>
> While the order is different, you can get to most of these options from the
> context menu, and the rest (standard font and paragraph options) from the
> ribbon.
>
> There is a plain white square at the bottom right corner of the table.
> Clicking and dragging it resizes the table, which you can otherwise do from
> the Table Layout ribbon - alt, then j, then l.  If you click on this
> without dragging, it opens the same floating toolbar as described for the
> other icon.
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 11:33 AM Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am currently using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 and Word for Microsoft 365 on
>> a Windows 10 machine. From a sighted person I am working with, I have
>> learnt that when I select an entire table (by going to browse mode and
>> setting start and end markers), a certain icon shows up which contains
>> several options. This icon gives options different from that which I
>> get on pressing the Applications key. If you have followed my question
>> so far, do you know of a way to access and click this icon
>> independently?
>>
>> I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Bhavya Shah
>> Stanford University | Class of 2024
>> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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