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Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2021.3 Beta 2 on a Windows 10 machine. To my
knowledge, back in the day at least, I thought status bars were
incredibly common and present in most applications. I had a bunch of
programs open and decided to issue the read status bar command
(NVDA+Shift+End on a laptop) to see what happened. The results are
below:
* Wordpad: "No status line found"
* Windows Explorer: "No status line found"
* Stata: "j"
* Microsoft Edge: "No status line found"
* Word for Microsoft 365: "Status Bar Page Number Page 2 of 32 Word
Count 2728 words Spelling and Grammar Check Errors Text Predictions
Text Predictions: On Accessibility Checker Accessibility: Investigate
Focus  Read Mode Print Layout Web Layout Zoom Out Zoom 160 Zoom In
Zoom 160%" after a 2.5 second delay
* Wordweb: "wordweb.info"

In this experiment, most programs gave no valuable information. In the
one program that did have a meaningful status bar, NVDA took a solid
2.5 seconds to read it. Are status bars truly becoming obsolete? Or
does this hint at an issue in NVDA's read status bar command?

I would appreciate any thoughts and inputs.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/

1: open the NVDA menu.2: go to tools3: go to manage add-ons4: disable all add-ons except the one with the problem.5: to disable add-ons, choose the add-on with the arrows and scroll to disable add-on.

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 01:52, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> escreveu:

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

 

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

I sometimes wish I could get a handle on the “visual” layout of the screen, so said sighted person could say to me “It’s at top left”, but because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

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Steve,

I was going to send this reply as a private message, but reconsidered, since it could be of use to more than yourself.

When I was working at the Virginia School for the Deaf and the Blind, I was fairly "up close and personal" at times with both O&M instruction as well as things like classroom math instruction where tactile diagrams were in use.  In all of those cases, but particularly tactile diagrams, orientation in 2D space was used, and extensively, but access was by touch, of course.

But the basic concepts apply to the computer screen as well, if you think of it as a page, which in reality the screen really is.  Mind you, I doubt it's very useful to you to know that something you cannot access with the senses you possess is at "the upper left" but the concept of "the upper left" as a location is the same for a screen as it is for a physical page.  This allows you to have some rough, and very rough, ability to "pin down" the location that someone has described visually.  If you want to get into playing games with someone where that would not lead to possible disaster, you could use that knowlege to "point out" the rough location on the screen and, on occasion, you may hit the exact target.  But if you have a sighted assistant who wants to work with you with exactitude, it's not difficult for them to describe something as being "near the top left, about one inch down and two inches in," which, again, may be of no help to you directly, but can be of help to you if you need to give that same information to someone who's sighted who is not present at that moment and where you know you'll be making reference to the exact same material at a later point in time.  And you can really weird them out if you just casually toss out, "That {insert specific button, object, etc. here} is the red one thats about an inch down and two inches over from the upper left corner of the screen."  The slack-jawed, "How could you know that reaction," that you might get back, at least the first time you do this to someone sighted, can be quite amusing.  Practical jokes can be most amusing, particularly when they get played from very unexpected angles, and some are way more unexpected than others.
 
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 12:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

because we have no concept of where anything is on a web page visually, it does cause a barrier somewhat.

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I lost a very dear friend in January 2021 who I'd known for over a decade, was my Mom's age (I lost her in August), 84, and who was blind since birth.

We had quite a few discussions regarding what I call "the reference chasm" that exists between the blind (as in have always been blind) and the sighted.  Two of the primary visual cues are color and position in 2D or 3D space, and neither one of those things has any meaningful exact equivalent if you've never been able to see.  Yes, you get that color is a category that goes with sight, but you have no idea of exactly how it works, and the same, but to a lesser extent, with visual placement cues, because there is definitely a partial translation to the other senses.  If there weren't, you could literally not make your way around in the world, know where things were located in your home, etc.  But it's still not the same as being able to take it all in, all at once, as a whole, and where the entire frame of reference is absolutely obvious to all involved (if they're all present in the same space or looking at the same thing on various computer screens).

They were fascinating conversations to have had, and we both learned a very great deal about each other's sensory palettes and the mental paradigms that we each built based upon those.  It was intriguing when you hit upon unexpected overlaps as well as certain unexpected disconnects in how we each constructed our models of the world.

My biggest regret as far as that chasm went was knowing that there was absolutely no way to communicate color.  You just cannot do it for someone who's never had the basic sensory apparatus to experience it.  The same would be true of smell or taste in the case of trying to describe or communicate it to someone who's never had that sense.  Think about trying to describe sweet, salty, bitter, cheesy, etc., to someone who has never been able to taste.  These things are self-defining and directly based on sensory experience.  And without having had it, they cannot be adequately described in any way.
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The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy

Hello,

What are the steps on how to enable the add-ons?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Regards,

Thomas.

I did give you the links so you could investigate for yourself...  There's a "download" link which tells you the evaluation lasts for 60 days and a purchase link which tells you that a license costs $60 for a personal license (and $225 for a commercial license).

I don't know the restrictions of the free version, but they do encourage you to download the free version first to ensure it meets your needs.  Do check it out and let us know what you think.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:

is reaper free? does it work with NVDA? Can it be used for more than 60 days? and most importantly, will it run on my 4GB computer?

Em seg., 22 de nov. de 2021 às 03:33, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:

I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

I'm not familiar with it, but from a quick search, I gather it is music software? https://www.ableton.com/en/

I couldn't find anything on its accessibility, but I did find a couple of forum posts asking for help making it accessible, so it may not be.

I know a lot of users find https://www.reaper.fm/ meets their needs, particularly with the Osara accessibility add-on: https://osara.reaperaccessibility.com/

I'm not sure if that does what you need or has any of the same features as ableton, but just thought I'd mention it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 7:06 AM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:

I don't know if this will be blocked but my question is does ableton live work with NVDA?

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi, I restart NVDA with all add-ons disabled. But how do I enable Whatsapp add-on from there? I go to add-on manager but cannot find anything to do that.

On 22/11/2021 12:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

The Most Basic Troubleshooting Steps for Suspected NVDA Issues

The first two are always worth doing whether you suspect the issue is with NVDA itself or an add-on.

There are times where the "one bad apple" in your collection of add-ons can have a domino effect on others, too.  So it can be worth disabling all your add ons, except the one that appears to be misbehaving, then seeing if it continues to misbehave when it's the only add-on running.  If it's fine when it's running alone, then read the tutorial referenced in the message above for the step-by-step process of isolating "a bad apple" when it becomes clear that there is one.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

         ~ John F. Kennedy