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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.- Same here. While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds. And that's true across software, not just NVDA. On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution. NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law."). I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2. But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1. I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Gene
Beta’s may have bugsbut I’ve never seen one with a serious problem such as
not functioning. I agree that you should know how to get speech if NVDA
doesn’t work for some reason, but a general failure of the kind you discuss
isn’t expected and I’ve never seen it happen. I’ve used a lot of
betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I
recall.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for
updates well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops
talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using
NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure
you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of
destember, which is pretty close.
Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k
Alawami <marrie12@...>
escreveu:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows,
have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t
have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA
without one.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start I
have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable? Thanks. Howard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close. Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard,
A typical invocation of NVDA (installed version0 using the desktop icon it sets up when you ask for one is: "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r I have checked a portable instance of NVDA that I have on my jump drive, and nvda_slave.exe is a part of the portable setup. Thus, presuming your jump drive has the drive letter P, and that the root of the NVDA portable folder structure is nvda211, I would put the following in the script: P:\nvda211\nvda_slave.exe launchNVDA -r Just look to make sure that the nvda_slave.exe file exists at the location you specify for the full path leading up to the rest of the command. I just tried this, with the correct path, of course, for my portable copy from a command prompt and it works like a charm. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
Here's the batch file; only three lines:
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
@echo off cd\nvda211 NVDA.exe This is my second try. First try did not have the cd command but just said: @echo off nvda211\NVDA.exe Of course, that batch file is in the root of the thumb drive. When I start NVDA using the Batch file, the (assumed) title bar says: C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe The rest of the screen appears to be blank. Howard
On 11/27/2021 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
How is NVDA invoked in that batch file? And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
How is NVDA invoked in that batch file? And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Roger Stewart
I just ran check for add on updates and this time I was able to get the SPL add on just fine with no errors. The problem is fixed now!
:) Roger
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NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable?
Thanks. Howard
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Re: Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team
Laurie Mehta
Thanks Brian, and others, for these resource-leads! Laurie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 12:00 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team
And even though they're not from NVAccess, member Thee Quinn has produced a number of YouTube tutorials on using NVDA. They're well worth checking out. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc, then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration. That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version. As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons. I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Arlene Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Arlene via groups.io
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Gene
I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable
version and have it copy the current user configuration. That way, if you
want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can
uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable
version. As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I
believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and
install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons. I
realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new
versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to
revert.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for
updates The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Arlene via groups.io
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gtt
North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian
Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several
previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with
2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Rosemarie Chavarria
I remember the jaws list tat she had. She was very helpful too. I think the name of her list was jaws lite or something like that. I wasn’t using NVDA yet.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Bobby
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 1:34 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well. I loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away. On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well. I
loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away.
On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Roger Stewart
I can confirm it is a problem on the
site. I'm shown that an update to SPL add on is available but if
I try to download it just errors out with no reason why given. I
then tried going to the regular site for getting add ons and I got
a different kind of error but still with no reason why. It did say
they track these errors on their end so hopefully the problem will
get fixed soon. I'm also using NVDA version 21.2 stable version.
\
Roger
On 11/27/2021 1:16 PM, Gtt North Bay
wrote:
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
Chris Mullins
Hi The information you see on the lock screen is controlled through the Personalization sub-menu in the Settings app. (Windows+I). Arrow down the list of categories after opening the Personalization sub-menu and press enter on “Lock Screen”. You can choose what to display in the controls on this screen. When my lock screen opens after start-up, I just press control and that puts me in the Pin number box and after entering that, my NVDA user profile loads..
Cheers Chris
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Artin Dekker
Sent: 27 November 2021 18:52 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
Hello everyone,
Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.
Kind Regarts, Artin Dekker
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
I've always done "install over" installs with NVDA. Every once in a very great while I might uninstall NVDA entirely, then reinstall, but that's very, very seldom.
I've never had an issue with install over installs with betas, and they are supposed to act exactly like the release candidate and actual releases do in terms of install behavior, and those always do their own install over updates. Normally I wouldn't suggest installing a beta version as your "daily driver," but this is an exception. It seems that the 2021.3beta2 has been quite unproblematic and it's the quickest way to solve the issue you're having and the solution will still be in place were you to reinstall 2021.2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Arlene
The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs. I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Arlene
That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not a good idea. If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it. That way you can better test for bugs. Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Gtt North Bay
Brian, Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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