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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas.  Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.
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Same here.  While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds.  And that's true across software, not just NVDA.

On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution.  NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law.").

I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2.  But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1.  I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2.
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Gene
 

Beta’s may have bugsbut I’ve never seen one with a serious problem such as not functioning.  I agree that you should know how to get speech if NVDA doesn’t work for some reason, but a general failure of the kind you discuss isn’t expected and I’ve never seen it happen.  I’ve used a lot of betas.  Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
 
well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close.
 
Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc,  then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

Gene
 

I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem
normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard






Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close.

Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc,  then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

Howard,

A typical invocation of NVDA (installed version0 using the desktop icon it sets up when you ask for one is:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

I have checked a portable instance of NVDA that I have on my jump drive, and nvda_slave.exe is a part of the portable setup.

Thus, presuming your jump drive has the drive letter P, and that the root of the NVDA portable folder structure is nvda211, I would put the following in the script:

P:\nvda211\nvda_slave.exe launchNVDA -r

Just look to make sure that the nvda_slave.exe file exists at the location you specify for the full path leading up to the rest of the command.

I just tried this, with the correct path, of course, for my portable copy from a command prompt and it works like a charm.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

Here's the batch file; only three lines:

@echo off
cd\nvda211
NVDA.exe

This is my second try.  First try did not have the cd command but just said:

@echo off
nvda211\NVDA.exe

Of course, that batch file is in the root of the thumb drive.

When I start NVDA using the Batch file, the (assumed) title bar says:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe


The rest of the screen appears to be blank.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
How is NVDA invoked in that batch file?  And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.

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         ~ Vance Packard


Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

How is NVDA invoked in that batch file?  And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Roger Stewart
 

I just ran check for add on updates and this time I was able to get the SPL add on just fine with no errors.  The problem is fixed now!

:)

Roger


NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable?

Thanks.

Howard


Re: Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team

Laurie Mehta
 

Thanks Brian, and others, for these resource-leads!

 Laurie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team

 

And even though they're not from NVAccess, member Thee Quinn has produced a number of YouTube tutorials on using NVDA.  They're well worth checking out.

Thee Quinn's Channel on YouTube
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Sarah k Alawami
 

This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc,  then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Gene
 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I remember the jaws list tat she had. She was very helpful too. I think the name of her list was jaws lite or something like that. I wasn’t using NVDA yet.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Bobby
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well.  I loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away.

On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Bobby <vinton.bobby@...>
 

Just to let you all know I remember Debbie Scales very well.  I loved her nvda lists how ever I am very sad she passed away.

On 11/27/2021 3:17 PM, Arlene wrote:

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Roger Stewart
 

I can confirm it is a problem on the site.  I'm shown that an update to SPL add on is available but if I try to download it just errors out with no reason why given. I then tried going to the regular site for getting add ons and I got a different kind of error but still with no reason why. It did say they track these errors on their end so hopefully the problem will get fixed soon.  I'm also using NVDA version 21.2 stable version.  \

Roger









On 11/27/2021 1:16 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote:

Hi folks,

I am new here and well last night I installed 2021.2 on my new to me laptop and this morning I went to help to check for updates and got an error note. Is this a problem with the point 2 or me as my desktop doesn’t have that error.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.



Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

The information you see on the lock screen is controlled through the Personalization sub-menu in the Settings app. (Windows+I).  Arrow down the list of categories after opening the Personalization sub-menu and press enter on “Lock Screen”.  You can choose what to display in the controls on this screen.  When my lock screen opens after start-up, I just press control and that puts me in the Pin number box and after entering that, my NVDA user profile loads..

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Artin Dekker
Sent: 27 November 2021 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello everyone,

 

Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.

 

Kind Regarts,

Artin Dekker


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

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Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I've always done "install over" installs with NVDA.  Every once in a very great while I might uninstall NVDA entirely, then reinstall, but that's very, very seldom.

I've never had an issue with install over installs with betas, and they are supposed to act exactly like the release candidate and actual releases do in terms of install behavior, and those always do their own install over updates.

Normally I wouldn't suggest installing a beta version as your "daily driver," but this is an exception.  It seems that the 2021.3beta2 has been quite unproblematic and it's the quickest way to solve the issue you're having and the solution will still be in place were you to reinstall 2021.2.
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Arlene
 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

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From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

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From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Arlene
 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

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From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Gtt North Bay
 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

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