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Re: NVDA Portable Start

Gene
 

I can’t tell from what you write whether you plan to use the batch file on one machine or many machines.  You don’t know what letter is going to be assigned to the thumb drive on different machines.  And the machine or machines do have speech installed.  You can run Narrator, manually run NVDA, then close Narrator.  There is no harm in having both screen-readers running at the same time until you close Narrator.
 
A batch file will only work if a machine assigns the same letter to the thumb drive as you have the batch file set for.  You should use Narrator, not a batch file, unless you intend to run the portable only on the same machine so you know the letter is the same.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
Yes, typing exit is the one that doesn't work.  I think I found that alt
F4 closes that window.

Someone (can't remember who it was) directed me to create a batch file
because windows no longer recognizes autorun.inf.  I had the whole NVDA
in the root of the thumb drive.  But now, since I want to be able to
choose from two versions of NVDA, I'm putting each in his own folder. 
So I will create a batch file for each version 21.1 and 21.2.

The name of the thumb drive is 1.  So, without any speech running, I can
do windows e to open this pc; then another 1 to go to the thumb drive. 
Enter to open it and do 1, enter or 2, enter to start the NVDA choice.

I think this should work on a machine that has no speech installed.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 9:33 PM, Gene wrote:
> I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows,
> have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you
> don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run
> NVDA without one.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
> *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
> I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
> NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
> installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
> starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
> accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem
> normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
> portable?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

Yes, typing exit is the one that doesn't work.  I think I found that alt F4 closes that window.

Someone (can't remember who it was) directed me to create a batch file because windows no longer recognizes autorun.inf.  I had the whole NVDA in the root of the thumb drive.  But now, since I want to be able to choose from two versions of NVDA, I'm putting each in his own folder.  So I will create a batch file for each version 21.1 and 21.2.

The name of the thumb drive is 1.  So, without any speech running, I can do windows e to open this pc; then another 1 to go to the thumb drive.  Enter to open it and do 1, enter or 2, enter to start the NVDA choice.

I think this should work on a machine that has no speech installed.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 9:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
*To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem
normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard






Re: accessible way of moving playlists to folders in spotify?

Orhan Deniz
 

Yes, that seems to be the case. In the meantime it is still possible to create playlists under folders, just hover over the expand folder button/expand the folder with right arrow, applications key, create new playlist. Then you can go over to the old playlist, ctrl+a, ctrl+c into the new playlist. This of course does not work for playlists created by others, unless you create a duplicate of your own. It's a lengthy process but its not completely impossible.

On 27/11/2021 17:33, Gene wrote:
In case there is any confusion because Marco’s message isn’t quoted immediately below mine, I was particularly addressing him along with anyone else interested.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible way of moving playlists to folders in spotify?
 
I haven’t played with the Spotify program for a long time.  I use the Internet player.  When I played with it, it used browse mode for many functions.  I’m curious whether you are in browse mode when you try to do what you are doing and if so, if you turn it off, can you do things by cutting and pasting?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible way of moving playlists to folders in spotify?
 

So, in other words, not really doable by us. Makes sence why the drag drop add on didn’t work as well, and doesn’t tend to for most things electron. Wonder if you could accomplish the thing you want to do on another platform or platforms?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marco Oros
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible way of moving playlists to folders in spotify?

 

OK, let me explain It:

Playlists and playlist folders can be moved only by a mouse. I think up and down on order and It is sometimes difficult to move playlist to playlist folder, because of same reason.

 

Dňa 27. 11. 2021 o 18:12 Brian Vogel napísal(a):

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Gene wrote:

There is my reply, the person’s question below, then an earlier reply by me below that.  Do you see what I’m describing?

-
No, because there is nothing there in the message from member Eduardo Fermiano Luccas, which is in the group archive here:  and is the message that I presume all of us speaking about an empty message are referring to.

It has no content other than the quoted material, and one can see that when trying to copy or afterward when one pastes into something like notepad and no content is above, or below, the quoted material, which consists entirely of a quotation of your offering in message  and what you'd quoted from prior messages as part of it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


solution info about status bar not sounding

mehmet çetin
 

 

hello friends, a friend of mine has a problem, I would like to thank the friend who read the text below and produced a solution in advance.
 
Hello Friends, I am using NVDA 2021.1 version installed on my Asus Expert Book computer with windows 10 pro installed. Active plug-ins: Advanced phonetic reading, extended global commands, plug-in updater, two vocalizer plug-ins that make the yeldan work. Apart from these, there are no active plugins and no disabled plugins. So only the add-ons I have listed are available. In NVDA, the device is in the laptop keyboard layout and since the device does not have numpad keys, the FN key + arrow keys are used as home, end, page up, page down keys. In other words, when the status bar information should be pronounced with the insert + shift + FN + down arrow key, when I go into any folder and press this key combination, NVDA says "Status bar properties view modes". It does not read the status bar, that is, the number of files in the folders, whereas jawsta reads the status bar information without any problems. So I think the problem may be caused by NVDA. "Status bar line not found." also when playing media in Pot Player. he does not voice the time information of the media. In Jawsta this is also voiced smoothly. I am using NVDA 2021.2 version portable on my Asus computer with Win 7 and it still reads the status bar information in other places without any problems, although it still does not sound the duration of the media in Pot Player. It's interesting that NVDA does this on a Win 10 device. Also, when I open the media with Pot Player on the device with win 10 installed, as soon as I open the media and when doing things like pausing and rewinding, it says "Status bar" and I found it very strange. Saying "Status bar" every second is pointless, despite the status bar information it can't read. I've never played with the settings of the plugins, nor have I made any unusual adjustments to the settings in the preferences. I wonder what should I do for NVDA to read the status bar on a device with win 10? Thanks guys for helping.


Re: NVDA Portable Start

Gene
 

I really doubt it, though you can try again and see.  It doesn’t work here and, though I’m using Windows 7, I don’t think there would be any difference. 
 
Others with more technical knowledge may want to discuss this, but I think that, whatever is opened, it is related to the command prompt, which can’t be closed with alt f4. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
I think I did an Alt F4 in that terminal window and it closed.  Not sure.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 9:54 PM, Gene wrote:
> I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know
> nothing about.  I closed it in the following way:
> I opened the system menu with alt space.  I either down arrowed or up
> arrowed to close and pressed enter.  The terminal closed and I was
> back in Windows.  You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal
> instead of arrowing to close, as follows:
> alt space
> type c.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
> I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows,
> have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you
> don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run
> NVDA without one.
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
> *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
> I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
> NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
> installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
> starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
> accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem
> normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
> portable?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Howard
>
>
>
>
>
>






Re: NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

I think I did an Alt F4 in that terminal window and it closed.  Not sure.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 9:54 PM, Gene wrote:
I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing about.  I closed it in the following way:
I opened the system menu with alt space.  I either down arrowed or up arrowed to close and pressed enter.  The terminal closed and I was back in Windows.  You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of arrowing to close, as follows:
alt space
type c.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
*To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem
normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard






Re: NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

OK and thanks, Brian.  One (or three) questions:

Does the slave comend preceed, follow, or replace the call to nvda.exe?  and must that first part be in quotations?

Thanks for your help.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 7:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Howard,

A typical invocation of NVDA (installed version0 using the desktop icon it sets up when you ask for one is:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

I have checked a portable instance of NVDA that I have on my jump drive, and nvda_slave.exe is a part of the portable setup.

Thus, presuming your jump drive has the drive letter P, and that the root of the NVDA portable folder structure is nvda211, I would put the following in the script:

P:\nvda211\nvda_slave.exe launchNVDA -r

Just look to make sure that the nvda_slave.exe file exists at the location you specify for the full path leading up to the rest of the command.

I just tried this, with the correct path, of course, for my portable copy from a command prompt and it works like a charm.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

         ~ Vance Packard


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

if you don't want to download, you can download NVDA 2021.3 manually when it's released, this will solve your problem, because now for stable, we don't have any newer than 2021.2

Em dom., 28 de nov. de 2021 às 00:51, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> escreveu:

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas.  Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.
-
Same here.  While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds.  And that's true across software, not just NVDA.

On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution.  NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law.").

I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2.  But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1.  I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

Thats a problem really.
Yeah, there is no way to actually do this with aditional mucking about.
You can use nircmd or other program to run your batch file.
You can run them with a script.
You can run them from a shortcut.
You can run and edit a shortcut to hide or minimise a window.
You can run the batch file normally, then once nvda is running hit alt f4.
You can just type x:\nvda211\nvda into run as long as you know the drive letter.

On 28/11/2021, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing
about. I closed it in the following way:
I opened the system menu with alt space. I either down arrowed or up
arrowed to close and pressed enter. The terminal closed and I was back in
Windows. You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of
arrowing to close, as follows:
alt space
type c.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start

I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have
you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t have
to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without
one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start

I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem
normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard











Re: NVDA Portable Start

Gene
 

I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing about.  I closed it in the following way:
I opened the system menu with alt space.  I either down arrowed or up arrowed to close and pressed enter.  The terminal closed and I was back in Windows.  You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of arrowing to close, as follows:
alt space
type c.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem
normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard






Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas.  Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.
-
Same here.  While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds.  And that's true across software, not just NVDA.

On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution.  NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law.").

I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2.  But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1.  I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Gene
 

Beta’s may have bugsbut I’ve never seen one with a serious problem such as not functioning.  I agree that you should know how to get speech if NVDA doesn’t work for some reason, but a general failure of the kind you discuss isn’t expected and I’ve never seen it happen.  I’ve used a lot of betas.  Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
 
well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close.
 
Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc,  then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

Gene
 

I’m not sure what is going on.  When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter?  While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file.  If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
 
I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my
installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that
starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not
accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem
normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the
portable?

Thanks.

Howard






Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close.

Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

This is why I make a back up of the version I’m running, make it portable with all add ons etc,  then install over top of my production. This way I can revert by making the portable become my production copy with the touch of a button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

I think that if you update NVDA in general, you should make a portable version and have it copy the current user configuration.  That way, if you want to revert for some reason or if the update doesn’t go correctly, you can uninstall the installed version, then install NVDA from the portable version.  As I understand it, if you keep the current user configuration, I believe you have to make that choice both when you make the portable copy and install using it, that you won’t lose anything, including add-ons.  I realize people like the convenience of updating rather than installing new versions but I don’t like the idea that that leaves you with no way to revert.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Arlene

Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

The reason I say its up to you. I learned from Debbie Scales that if you are going to test a beta screen reader you should have an old copy of the last version kicking around so you know there’s bugs.  I tested Jaws 5.0 that’s why you need to have a more stable version of your screen reader should you run a muck. Debbie Scales used to run a jaws list. She’d probably say its up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Arlene via groups.io
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

That depends on you. You can install the beta and put it into a different folder. Some people say you shouldn’t install over a copy. If you are testing for bugs. If you are using it just for your own purposes and don’t want to test for bugs then go ahead. If you want to test for them its not  a good idea.  If you are a beta tester you shouldn’t do it.  That way you can better test for bugs.  Bryan might have his own ideas. I say its up to you.

 

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From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: November 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

Brian,

Can I install the beta over the point 2 or do I need to uninstall 2021.2 first.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 2:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

 

You're new, so will not have seen several previous conversations, but this is indeed a bug and it's been resolved with 2021.3.

I would, at this point, strongly suggest you just update to NVDA 2021.3beta2, as it's been working fine, fixes the problem, and will likely go to release candidate status shortly.  But even if you were to have issues with the beta and rolled back to 2021.2, what it fixes in regard to the update issue stays fixed, as it's external to NVDA itself and the fix made stays.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

Howard,

A typical invocation of NVDA (installed version0 using the desktop icon it sets up when you ask for one is:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

I have checked a portable instance of NVDA that I have on my jump drive, and nvda_slave.exe is a part of the portable setup.

Thus, presuming your jump drive has the drive letter P, and that the root of the NVDA portable folder structure is nvda211, I would put the following in the script:

P:\nvda211\nvda_slave.exe launchNVDA -r

Just look to make sure that the nvda_slave.exe file exists at the location you specify for the full path leading up to the rest of the command.

I just tried this, with the correct path, of course, for my portable copy from a command prompt and it works like a charm.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

Here's the batch file; only three lines:

@echo off
cd\nvda211
NVDA.exe

This is my second try.  First try did not have the cd command but just said:

@echo off
nvda211\NVDA.exe

Of course, that batch file is in the root of the thumb drive.

When I start NVDA using the Batch file, the (assumed) title bar says:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe


The rest of the screen appears to be blank.

Howard

On 11/27/2021 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
How is NVDA invoked in that batch file?  And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.

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Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

How is NVDA invoked in that batch file?  And by that I mean please copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates

Roger Stewart
 

I just ran check for add on updates and this time I was able to get the SPL add on just fine with no errors.  The problem is fixed now!

:)

Roger


NVDA Portable Start

Howard Traxler
 

I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called NVDA211.  It contains NVDA version 2021.1.  When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows.  This does not seem normal to me.  Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable?

Thanks.

Howard


Re: Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team

Laurie Mehta
 

Thanks Brian, and others, for these resource-leads!

 Laurie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 12:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Seeking Information on tutorial materials produced by NVDA team

 

And even though they're not from NVAccess, member Thee Quinn has produced a number of YouTube tutorials on using NVDA.  They're well worth checking out.

Thee Quinn's Channel on YouTube
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