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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
Sorry Gene, I should have explained further:
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In the past couple months I've been getting help to get a new machine (that doesn't have any speech)started, to reinstall windows and then load NVDA. So I'm making a set of startup thumb drives to get the system started and and run the reinstall software, then NVDA. Or maybe it should be NVDA first, then reinstall. I used a utility to create bootable (reinstall) thumb drives, both 32 and 64 (so I could use it on other computers. Cant remember the name of that utility (probably you know) and can't find it on my hard drive. Someone gave me the hint, that if I label the thumb drive with something like 1, I can go to it directly by opening "this pc" and typing 1. Then executing the batch file that starts NVDA. That way, I don't need to know the letter of thedrive. It works. The only problem that remains is to make sure the machine boots from the USB port. I have a friend coming over (some time) to help me with the CMOS setup. That gets a little windy, but I think it explains what I'm tryng to do. Thank you, Gene, for offerring your assist. Howard
On 11/28/2021 5:22 AM, Gene wrote:
I can’t tell from what you write whether you plan to use the batch file on one machine or many machines. You don’t know what letter is going to be assigned to the thumb drive on different machines. And the machine or machines do have speech installed. You can run Narrator, manually run NVDA, then close Narrator. There is no harm in having both screen-readers running at the same time until you close Narrator.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:29 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Does the slave command preceed, follow, or replace the call to nvda.exe?- A lot of this territory seems to have been covered, but it replaces it. Based on what I can literally see when using a script with nvda_slave.exe in it, that clearly calls NVDA and, regardless of the result (which has always been success for me), exits and that allows the command prompt itself to exit. NVDA.exe does not exit, it is what runs NVDA, and so long as its running control is not returned to the command prompt to allow it to do anything else. NVDA does not get invoked asynchronously by default. As Chris Mullins noted, one could elect to use the start command to force an asynchronous process for NVDA to be started and control promptly returned to the command prompt. I elected not to do this simply because if NVAccess uses nvda_slave to invoke NVDA, and that always works, copying that method seemed to be the wisest path of action to me. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Chris Mullins
Hi In a previous message I posted:
@echo off start <full path including drive letter> Exit
I have subsequently found that the start command will launch the program in the filepath without waiting for it to terminate and exit the command prompt but this only occurs if the program being launched is a windowed application, otherwise the command prompt window will not close until the launched program has terminated. Gene mentioned that he had successfully launched MP3 Direct Cut as I did Notepad and that would be because both of these programs have a GUI.
The following batch file content worked fine for me, in that it launched NVDA and closed the command prompt window:
@echo off "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r
Howard asked about the filepath bing in quotes. In the example above the filepath has to be in quotes because it contains a space. If the whole filepath is an unbroken character string, you do not require quotes. This harks back to the days of DOS when spaces were not allowed in folder/file names. When Windows eventually allowed folder/file names to contain spaces, quotes were introduced to delimit the filepath so that older command parsers could still work with the new formats for folder/file names. Apologies for supplying the misleading information.
Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
Sent: 28 November 2021 13:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
I find this subject interesting but I'm not sure if it should continue here or on the chat list. My experience is that if I write a batch file to run something, I don't get stuck in the terminal. Whatever runs closes automatically.
I just tested this by creating a batch file to run MP3 Direct Cut. Whatever the environment is, It runs and then automatically closes. I haven't created many batch files to run programs but the ones I have work like that with the exception of NVDA. Does NVDA run in some unusual way, perhaps related to Python that causes the terminal window not to close?
Gene On 11/28/2021 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
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portable Alpha error when installing to flash drive
Daniel McGee
Hi all
Does anyone understand what the below error message means? When I try to install to a flash drive using the stable versions of nvda2021.2 and the Update channel selector add-on ( Version: 1.1 I get the following message below. NVDA version alpha-24237,a77aff3c is available. Download update Close [Window Title] Error [Content] Failed to create portable copy: [WinError 123] The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect: 'D:\\" --config-path D:' [OK]
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I find this subject interesting but I'm
not sure if it should continue here or on the chat list. My
experience is that if I write a batch file to run something, I
don't get stuck in the terminal. Whatever runs closes
automatically.
I just tested this by creating a batch
file to run MP3 Direct Cut. Whatever the environment is, It runs
and then automatically closes. I haven't created many batch files
to run programs but the ones I have work like that with the
exception of NVDA. Does NVDA run in some unusual way, perhaps
related to Python that causes the terminal window not to close?
Gene
On 11/28/2021 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins
wrote:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Chris Mullins
Hi Yes it does run the terminal as batch files are essentially a series of DOS commands that require that environment to run. The following will start the specified program and exit the command prompt environment:
@echo off start <full pathname including drive letter> Exit
Example:
@echo off start %windir%\system32\notepad.exe exit
Cheers Chris
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 28 November 2021 04:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
Thats a problem really. Yeah, there is no way to actually do this with aditional mucking about. You can use nircmd or other program to run your batch file. You can run them with a script. You can run them from a shortcut. You can run and edit a shortcut to hide or minimise a window. You can run the batch file normally, then once nvda is running hit alt f4. You can just type x:\nvda211\nvda into run as long as you know the drive letter.
On 28/11/2021, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing > about. I closed it in the following way: > I opened the system menu with alt space. I either down arrowed or up > arrowed to close and pressed enter. The terminal closed and I was back in > Windows. You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of > arrowing to close, as follows: > alt space > type c. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > > I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have > you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t have > to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without > one. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Traxler > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM > To: NVDA > Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > > I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called > NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my > installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that > starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not > accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem > normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the > portable? > > Thanks. > > Howard > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I can’t tell from what you write whether you plan to use the batch file on
one machine or many machines. You don’t know what letter is going to be
assigned to the thumb drive on different machines. And the machine or
machines do have speech installed. You can run Narrator, manually run
NVDA, then close Narrator. There is no harm in having both screen-readers
running at the same time until you close Narrator.
A batch file will only work if a machine assigns the same letter to the
thumb drive as you have the batch file set for. You should use Narrator,
not a batch file, unless you intend to run the portable only on the same machine
so you know the letter is the same.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start Yes,
typing exit is the one that doesn't work. I think I found that alt F4 closes that window. Someone (can't remember who it was) directed me to create a batch file because windows no longer recognizes autorun.inf. I had the whole NVDA in the root of the thumb drive. But now, since I want to be able to choose from two versions of NVDA, I'm putting each in his own folder. So I will create a batch file for each version 21.1 and 21.2. The name of the thumb drive is 1. So, without any speech running, I can do windows e to open this pc; then another 1 to go to the thumb drive. Enter to open it and do 1, enter or 2, enter to start the NVDA choice. I think this should work on a machine that has no speech installed. Howard On 11/27/2021 9:33 PM, Gene wrote: > I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, > have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you > don’t have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run > NVDA without one. > Gene > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM > *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called > NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my > installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that > starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not > accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem > normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the > portable? > > Thanks. > > Howard > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
Yes, typing exit is the one that doesn't work. I think I found that alt F4 closes that window.
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Someone (can't remember who it was) directed me to create a batch file because windows no longer recognizes autorun.inf. I had the whole NVDA in the root of the thumb drive. But now, since I want to be able to choose from two versions of NVDA, I'm putting each in his own folder. So I will create a batch file for each version 21.1 and 21.2. The name of the thumb drive is 1. So, without any speech running, I can do windows e to open this pc; then another 1 to go to the thumb drive. Enter to open it and do 1, enter or 2, enter to start the NVDA choice. I think this should work on a machine that has no speech installed. Howard
On 11/27/2021 9:33 PM, Gene wrote:
I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without one.
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Re: accessible way of moving playlists to folders in spotify?
Orhan Deniz
Yes, that seems to be the case. In the meantime it is still
possible to create playlists under folders, just hover over the
expand folder button/expand the folder with right arrow,
applications key, create new playlist. Then you can go over to the
old playlist, ctrl+a, ctrl+c into the new playlist. This of course
does not work for playlists created by others, unless you create a
duplicate of your own. It's a lengthy process but its not
completely impossible.
On 27/11/2021 17:33, Gene wrote:
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solution info about status bar not sounding
mehmet çetin
hello friends, a friend of mine has a problem, I would like to thank the friend who read the text below and produced a solution in advance. Hello Friends, I am using NVDA 2021.1 version installed on my Asus Expert
Book computer with windows 10 pro installed. Active plug-ins: Advanced phonetic
reading, extended global commands, plug-in updater, two vocalizer plug-ins that
make the yeldan work. Apart from these, there are no active plugins and no
disabled plugins. So only the add-ons I have listed are available. In NVDA, the
device is in the laptop keyboard layout and since the device does not have
numpad keys, the FN key + arrow keys are used as home, end, page up, page down
keys. In other words, when the status bar information should be pronounced with
the insert + shift + FN + down arrow key, when I go into any folder and press
this key combination, NVDA says "Status bar properties view modes". It does not
read the status bar, that is, the number of files in the folders, whereas jawsta
reads the status bar information without any problems. So I think the problem
may be caused by NVDA. "Status bar line not found." also when playing media in
Pot Player. he does not voice the time information of the media. In Jawsta this
is also voiced smoothly. I am using NVDA 2021.2 version portable on my Asus
computer with Win 7 and it still reads the status bar information in other
places without any problems, although it still does not sound the duration of
the media in Pot Player. It's interesting that NVDA does this on a Win 10
device. Also, when I open the media with Pot Player on the device with win 10
installed, as soon as I open the media and when doing things like pausing and
rewinding, it says "Status bar" and I found it very strange. Saying "Status bar"
every second is pointless, despite the status bar information it can't read.
I've never played with the settings of the plugins, nor have I made any unusual
adjustments to the settings in the preferences. I wonder what should I do for
NVDA to read the status bar on a device with win 10? Thanks guys for
helping.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I really doubt it, though you can try again and see. It doesn’t work
here and, though I’m using Windows 7, I don’t think there would be any
difference.
Others with more technical knowledge may want to discuss this, but I think
that, whatever is opened, it is related to the command prompt, which can’t be
closed with alt f4.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start I
think I did an Alt F4 in that terminal window and it closed. Not
sure. Howard On 11/27/2021 9:54 PM, Gene wrote: > I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know > nothing about. I closed it in the following way: > I opened the system menu with alt space. I either down arrowed or up > arrowed to close and pressed enter. The terminal closed and I was > back in Windows. You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal > instead of arrowing to close, as follows: > alt space > type c. > Gene > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, > have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you > don’t have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run > NVDA without one. > Gene > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM > *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called > NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my > installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that > starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not > accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem > normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the > portable? > > Thanks. > > Howard > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
I think I did an Alt F4 in that terminal window and it closed. Not sure.
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Howard
On 11/27/2021 9:54 PM, Gene wrote:
I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing about. I closed it in the following way:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
OK and thanks, Brian. One (or three) questions:
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Does the slave comend preceed, follow, or replace the call to nvda.exe? and must that first part be in quotations? Thanks for your help. Howard
On 11/27/2021 7:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Howard,
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
if you don't want to download, you can download NVDA 2021.3 manually when it's released, this will solve your problem, because now for stable, we don't have any newer than 2021.2 Em dom., 28 de nov. de 2021 às 00:51, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> escreveu:
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Thats a problem really.
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Yeah, there is no way to actually do this with aditional mucking about. You can use nircmd or other program to run your batch file. You can run them with a script. You can run them from a shortcut. You can run and edit a shortcut to hide or minimise a window. You can run the batch file normally, then once nvda is running hit alt f4. You can just type x:\nvda211\nvda into run as long as you know the drive letter.
On 28/11/2021, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing
about. I closed it in the following way:
I opened the system menu with alt space. I either down arrowed or up
arrowed to close and pressed enter. The terminal closed and I was back in
Windows. You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of
arrowing to close, as follows:
alt space
type c.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows,
have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t
have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA
without one.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start I
have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable? Thanks. Howard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:42 PM, Gene wrote:
I’ve used a lot of betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I recall.- Same here. While beta versions cannot be considered to be 100% stable, they're generally very stable indeed, particularly when compared to alpha/snapshot builds. And that's true across software, not just NVDA. On the rare occasion when a beta is "just a little bit beyond alpha" I've seen developers directly state that one should still proceed with caution. NVDA beta releases are generally considered to be stable, with the possibility of the occasional bug, which beta users are expected to report as part of the bargain of using betas (also true of all beta software, by general convention, not "law."). I honestly can't remember the last time NVAccess issued a beta1 and beta2 for the same major release, and I didn't encounter any issue with beta1, but clearly other users did, or there wouldn't have been a beta2. But there were no reports at all on this group of any catastrophic and unrecoverable failures even in beta1. I've heard nary a peep about 2021.3beta2. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Gene
Beta’s may have bugsbut I’ve never seen one with a serious problem such as
not functioning. I agree that you should know how to get speech if NVDA
doesn’t work for some reason, but a general failure of the kind you discuss
isn’t expected and I’ve never seen it happen. I’ve used a lot of
betas. Also, I’ve never seen such a failure discussed here as I
recall.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for
updates well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops
talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using
NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure
you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of
destember, which is pretty close.
Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k
Alawami <marrie12@...>
escreveu:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows,
have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t
have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA
without one.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start I
have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called
NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the portable? Thanks. Howard
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Re: NVDA 2021.2 - Error when checking for updates
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
well, install at your own risk, if something fails and NVDA stops talking, you can call the narrator with ctrl+windows+enter...note that I'm using NVDA 2021.3beta2 since release day, so I don't see a problem .but, to make sure you're 100% okay with NVDA, wait for RC to come, my preview is for day one of destember, which is pretty close. Em sáb., 27 de nov. de 2021 às 19:35, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:
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