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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
I guessed the dates from in process and from what you hear with NVDA 2021.2 on 2021.2, NV access said that translators would have until the 6th of September, and NVDA 2021.2rc1 was released the day after the 6th...now , I got the same situation, they said that the translators have until the 30th, so my preview for rc is on the 1st of desembro.and a week later, the official release Em seg., 29 de nov. de 2021 às 02:42, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> escreveu:
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Hi, Actually, far from useless. December 6, 2021 is a credible date because:
I said "credible date" precisely because of point 3 above: things can change. A rule of thumb is that:
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
I think they are my birds. Lol! They can be kind of loud. Can’t wait. Happy Sunday.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 9:13 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Hi, A birdy or two tells me that NVDA 2021.3 will be here sooner than we think, perhaps before Christmas. As Quentin said, it is up to you as to when you would like to install it. However, I strongly recommend Windows 11 users to install the upcoming NVDA release as soon as possible because it contains an important fix for users, specifically NVDA will not get stuck when switching between apps. There are more major changes scheduled for 2022.1, but that's getting ahead of the story - in particular, NVDA 2022.1 will resolve a long-standing issue where NVDA would not announce File Explorer status bar items but only on Windows 8.1 and later (Windows 8 is unsupported). Cheers, Joseph
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
this answer may be a little useless but my date for NVDA 2021.3 is Dec 6, 2021 Em seg., 29 de nov. de 2021 às 02:13, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> escreveu:
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Hi, A birdy or two tells me that NVDA 2021.3 will be here sooner than we think, perhaps before Christmas. As Quentin said, it is up to you as to when you would like to install it. However, I strongly recommend Windows 11 users to install the upcoming NVDA release as soon as possible because it contains an important fix for users, specifically NVDA will not get stuck when switching between apps. There are more major changes scheduled for 2022.1, but that's getting ahead of the story - in particular, NVDA 2022.1 will resolve a long-standing issue where NVDA would not announce File Explorer status bar items but only on Windows 8.1 and later (Windows 8 is unsupported). Cheers, Joseph
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
no, that wasn't a question, it was a discussion to hear the opinions of others...and i have the beta of NVDA 2021.3 since october, so i have no problem with that, this message is only for those who have the problem , and do not want to install now. Em seg., 29 de nov. de 2021 às 01:09, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> escreveu:
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Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Quentin Christensen
Hi Eduardo, I think I lost something in translation, but are you asking if it is ok to NOT install the NVDA 2021.3 beta ? If so, then that is absolutely fine - Your previous version of NVDA will let you know when the final version is out* and so will I here as you noted. We haven't had any serious reports of issues with the beta, so don't anticipate anyone should have any problems, but if you are a bit nervous about installing software before the stable version, then waiting is perfectly ok. *The one caveat to your existing version letting you know about the new version is the issue which I think most here are already across - that the way our recent security certificate upgrade was done did not propagate out to everyone and so there are some users who will receive an error when they try and check for updates. For those users, you can either: - Live with it until NVDA 2021.3 comes out and then download and install that manually - Download the Beta from https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3beta2/ - run it (you don't have to install it) and from the help menu choose "check for updates" - that alone should fix it, you can then exit and go back to your old version. - Download the add-on we put out in October. I mentioned this in our In-Process blog at the time, which you can still find here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-19th-october-2021/ - The add-on does exactly the same thing as checking for updates from the beta (and from future versions of NVDA). Kind regards Quentin.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 1:44 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
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no install NVDA 2021.3 now
Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
I would like to discuss not installing NVDA 2021.3 now1: if I am using NVDA 2021.2, I do not have to install anything as I know I am using the latest NVDA, and when NVDA 2021.3 arrives I can download manually.2: if i'm using NVDA 2020.3, i can still download NVDA 2021.2 manually.3: we know there's no updates for now, so let's have no fear.4: if you're subscribed to this group, quentin will let you know about the release of NVDA 2021.3. waiting for your answers! Sorry for the translation errors
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Re: facebook mesanger addon for nvda
No, use it in focus mode except when it comes to reading messages; so navigate in focus mode, it works out pretty well actually when getting around the main parts of the interface..
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Aschalew Byness
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 12:46 PM To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: [nvda] facebook mesanger addon for nvda
Hi Listers Is there any add-on for nvda to use facebook messenger desktop version? Thanks
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Re: facebook mesanger addon for nvda
No not that I know of. And its a problem to use that. You can read some of the controls but not much else. Well messages maybe not sure. Just needed sighted help to stop it starting on their computer.
On 29/11/2021 9:46 am, Aschalew Byness
wrote:
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Re: facebook mesanger addon for nvda
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
Hi all. No, don't exist an NVDA Addon for Facebook Messenger Desktop Version, but a important thing here is learn the commands of one only key that have Facebook in pc, you can use this with focus mode of NVDA or pressing first NVDA + shift + space for disable the navigation of one only key of NVDA browse mode. Regards.
El dom, 28 nov 2021 a las 15:46, Aschalew Byness (<gakidan.ashagre235@...>) escribió:
Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías. Soporte a usuarios, comunidad de NVDA en español. Web de la asociación Comunidad Hispanohablante de NVDA: www.nvda.es --
Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual en el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología. Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA. Musician (pianist) and help to the blind people and with visual disability in use of screen readers and technology. Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.
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facebook mesanger addon for nvda
Aschalew Byness
Hi Listers Is there any add-on for nvda to use facebook messenger desktop version? Thanks
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I’ll let those who have done what you are doing or know more about it
discuss it further. Perhaps your explanation will result in helpful
discussion.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start Sorry
Gene, I should have explained further: In the past couple months I've been getting help to get a new machine (that doesn't have any speech)started, to reinstall windows and then load NVDA. So I'm making a set of startup thumb drives to get the system started and and run the reinstall software, then NVDA. Or maybe it should be NVDA first, then reinstall. I used a utility to create bootable (reinstall) thumb drives, both 32 and 64 (so I could use it on other computers. Cant remember the name of that utility (probably you know) and can't find it on my hard drive. Someone gave me the hint, that if I label the thumb drive with something like 1, I can go to it directly by opening "this pc" and typing 1. Then executing the batch file that starts NVDA. That way, I don't need to know the letter of thedrive. It works. The only problem that remains is to make sure the machine boots from the USB port. I have a friend coming over (some time) to help me with the CMOS setup. That gets a little windy, but I think it explains what I'm tryng to do. Thank you, Gene, for offerring your assist. Howard On 11/28/2021 5:22 AM, Gene wrote: > I can’t tell from what you write whether you plan to use the batch > file on one machine or many machines. You don’t know what letter is > going to be assigned to the thumb drive on different machines. And > the machine or machines do have speech installed. You can run > Narrator, manually run NVDA, then close Narrator. There is no harm in > having both screen-readers running at the same time until you close > Narrator. > A batch file will only work if a machine assigns the same letter to > the thumb drive as you have the batch file set for. You should use > Narrator, not a batch file, unless you intend to run the portable only > on the same machine so you know the letter is the same. > Gene > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 28, 2021 4:09 AM > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > Yes, typing exit is the one that doesn't work. I think I found that alt > F4 closes that window. > > Someone (can't remember who it was) directed me to create a batch file > because windows no longer recognizes autorun.inf. I had the whole NVDA > in the root of the thumb drive. But now, since I want to be able to > choose from two versions of NVDA, I'm putting each in his own folder. > So I will create a batch file for each version 21.1 and 21.2. > > The name of the thumb drive is 1. So, without any speech running, I can > do windows e to open this pc; then another 1 to go to the thumb drive. > Enter to open it and do 1, enter or 2, enter to start the NVDA choice. > > I think this should work on a machine that has no speech installed. > > Howard > > On 11/27/2021 9:33 PM, Gene wrote: > > I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, > > have you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you > > don’t have to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run > > NVDA without one. > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...> > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM > > *To:* NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > > *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > > I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called > > NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my > > installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that > > starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not > > accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem > > normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the > > portable? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Howard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
Thanks, Chris, it appeared that I should add the exit command to my batch. So I did and it still ended in the terminal mode. Alt F4 does close it.
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Howard
On 11/28/2021 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Howard Traxler
Sorry Gene, I should have explained further:
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In the past couple months I've been getting help to get a new machine (that doesn't have any speech)started, to reinstall windows and then load NVDA. So I'm making a set of startup thumb drives to get the system started and and run the reinstall software, then NVDA. Or maybe it should be NVDA first, then reinstall. I used a utility to create bootable (reinstall) thumb drives, both 32 and 64 (so I could use it on other computers. Cant remember the name of that utility (probably you know) and can't find it on my hard drive. Someone gave me the hint, that if I label the thumb drive with something like 1, I can go to it directly by opening "this pc" and typing 1. Then executing the batch file that starts NVDA. That way, I don't need to know the letter of thedrive. It works. The only problem that remains is to make sure the machine boots from the USB port. I have a friend coming over (some time) to help me with the CMOS setup. That gets a little windy, but I think it explains what I'm tryng to do. Thank you, Gene, for offerring your assist. Howard
On 11/28/2021 5:22 AM, Gene wrote:
I can’t tell from what you write whether you plan to use the batch file on one machine or many machines. You don’t know what letter is going to be assigned to the thumb drive on different machines. And the machine or machines do have speech installed. You can run Narrator, manually run NVDA, then close Narrator. There is no harm in having both screen-readers running at the same time until you close Narrator.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:29 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Does the slave command preceed, follow, or replace the call to nvda.exe?- A lot of this territory seems to have been covered, but it replaces it. Based on what I can literally see when using a script with nvda_slave.exe in it, that clearly calls NVDA and, regardless of the result (which has always been success for me), exits and that allows the command prompt itself to exit. NVDA.exe does not exit, it is what runs NVDA, and so long as its running control is not returned to the command prompt to allow it to do anything else. NVDA does not get invoked asynchronously by default. As Chris Mullins noted, one could elect to use the start command to force an asynchronous process for NVDA to be started and control promptly returned to the command prompt. I elected not to do this simply because if NVAccess uses nvda_slave to invoke NVDA, and that always works, copying that method seemed to be the wisest path of action to me. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly. ~ Vance Packard
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Chris Mullins
Hi In a previous message I posted:
@echo off start <full path including drive letter> Exit
I have subsequently found that the start command will launch the program in the filepath without waiting for it to terminate and exit the command prompt but this only occurs if the program being launched is a windowed application, otherwise the command prompt window will not close until the launched program has terminated. Gene mentioned that he had successfully launched MP3 Direct Cut as I did Notepad and that would be because both of these programs have a GUI.
The following batch file content worked fine for me, in that it launched NVDA and closed the command prompt window:
@echo off "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r
Howard asked about the filepath bing in quotes. In the example above the filepath has to be in quotes because it contains a space. If the whole filepath is an unbroken character string, you do not require quotes. This harks back to the days of DOS when spaces were not allowed in folder/file names. When Windows eventually allowed folder/file names to contain spaces, quotes were introduced to delimit the filepath so that older command parsers could still work with the new formats for folder/file names. Apologies for supplying the misleading information.
Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Gene
Sent: 28 November 2021 13:01 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
I find this subject interesting but I'm not sure if it should continue here or on the chat list. My experience is that if I write a batch file to run something, I don't get stuck in the terminal. Whatever runs closes automatically.
I just tested this by creating a batch file to run MP3 Direct Cut. Whatever the environment is, It runs and then automatically closes. I haven't created many batch files to run programs but the ones I have work like that with the exception of NVDA. Does NVDA run in some unusual way, perhaps related to Python that causes the terminal window not to close?
Gene On 11/28/2021 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
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portable Alpha error when installing to flash drive
Daniel McGee
Hi all
Does anyone understand what the below error message means? When I try to install to a flash drive using the stable versions of nvda2021.2 and the Update channel selector add-on ( Version: 1.1 I get the following message below. NVDA version alpha-24237,a77aff3c is available. Download update Close [Window Title] Error [Content] Failed to create portable copy: [WinError 123] The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect: 'D:\\" --config-path D:' [OK]
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Gene
I find this subject interesting but I'm
not sure if it should continue here or on the chat list. My
experience is that if I write a batch file to run something, I
don't get stuck in the terminal. Whatever runs closes
automatically.
I just tested this by creating a batch
file to run MP3 Direct Cut. Whatever the environment is, It runs
and then automatically closes. I haven't created many batch files
to run programs but the ones I have work like that with the
exception of NVDA. Does NVDA run in some unusual way, perhaps
related to Python that causes the terminal window not to close?
Gene
On 11/28/2021 6:16 AM, Chris Mullins
wrote:
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Re: NVDA Portable Start
Chris Mullins
Hi Yes it does run the terminal as batch files are essentially a series of DOS commands that require that environment to run. The following will start the specified program and exit the command prompt environment:
@echo off start <full pathname including drive letter> Exit
Example:
@echo off start %windir%\system32\notepad.exe exit
Cheers Chris
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 28 November 2021 04:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start
Thats a problem really. Yeah, there is no way to actually do this with aditional mucking about. You can use nircmd or other program to run your batch file. You can run them with a script. You can run them from a shortcut. You can run and edit a shortcut to hide or minimise a window. You can run the batch file normally, then once nvda is running hit alt f4. You can just type x:\nvda211\nvda into run as long as you know the drive letter.
On 28/11/2021, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > I tried doing what you do and it runs the terminal, which I know nothing > about. I closed it in the following way: > I opened the system menu with alt space. I either down arrowed or up > arrowed to close and pressed enter. The terminal closed and I was back in > Windows. You can also use c in the menu to close the terminal instead of > arrowing to close, as follows: > alt space > type c. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 9:33 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > > I’m not sure what is going on. When you say it won’t exit to Windows, have > you tried typing exit and pressing enter? While convenient, you don’t have > to use a batch file. If necessary, I’ll discuss how to run NVDA without > one. > > Gene > -----Original Message----- > From: Howard Traxler > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2021 7:09 PM > To: NVDA > Subject: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start > > I have a portable copy of "NVDA on a thumb drive in a folder called > NVDA211. It contains NVDA version 2021.1. When I shut down my > installed NVDA, switch to the thumb drive and execute a batch file that > starts the portable version, it starts in a command mode that does not > accept commands; nor will it exit back to windows. This does not seem > normal to me. Wonder how I can make it stay in windows when I start the > portable? > > Thanks. > > Howard > > > > > > > > > > >
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