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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Gene
 

Just speech at login or in general?  Your message states speech at login and that may be a small thing.  Speech running aside from that would be a major ;problem for a sighted user.  I won’t go into the reasons here.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
 
rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
> you had shhared computers with the sighted.
>
> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.
>
> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.
>
>
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> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
>>
>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
>>     before I'm logged in.
>>
>> -
>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
>> programs don't have the capability.
>>
>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
>> turned it on.
>> --
>>
>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>>
>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*
>>
>>          ~ Vance Packard
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris Mullins
 

Hi the idea of having speech on the log-in screen is to make it inclusive and if it’s a shared resource the sightlings should not consider it as “their system”.  They need educating to understand that once they log into their account on the computer, the speech will go away and in an environment where blind people share a computer, talking log-in screens should be the norm not the exception.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From: Lenron
Sent: 29 November 2021 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and

honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not

use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

 

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if

> you had shhared computers with the sighted.

> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,

> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to

> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't

> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having

> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.

> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

>> 

>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start

>>     before I'm logged in.

>> 

>> -

>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start

>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of

>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most

>> programs don't have the capability.

>> 

>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently

>> turned it on.

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his

>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

>> 

>>          ~ Vance Packard

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Lenron
 

rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

         ~ Vance Packard





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Main cell 985-714-8446
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

Well look at my previous message.

Since I put this in the message before reading this one, you could run a portable and transfer things over that way or manually setup.

But nvda never had a network install.

This would be a question for quenton if he is about.

I mean maybe he will be about during the day to answer it.

As far as I know you can't natively install and configure nvda on a server and anyway everyone doesn't have the same config so you couldn't run a standardised configuration.

I am unsure if you can export application profiles and what addons go with with but if you could do that which you can't currently then you could create a profile for a single app thhat way orr maybe the entire load but as I said quentin probably can answer this.



On 30/11/2021 4:32 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have removed all of the hashtags from this message, as they were clearly placed there without the intent to do so and have no connection to the question being asked.  Please reply using this message so that the cluster of hashtags does not keep reappearing.

I wish I could answer the actual question about whether there's a way to install an add-on such that it's available to all users of a PC, but I can't.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

Hmmm each user uses an installed nvda with all their profiles etc.

I guess if every user had the same configuration you could create a portable and just run it like that.

The only other way would to have a batch file with something like the following.

@echo off

x:\nvda installer

x:\addon1.nvda-addon, etc

Of course chaining things together would depend on nvda being installed, etc.

It would also depend on using 1 drive and or 1 network location for the installs.

I am unsure if there is a packager to package addons say your entire configuration or all addons in 1 for various users.

So then you only would have to run 1 or 2 files at the most.

However that would assume you didn't use any payed for anything.

I mean I guess you could technically have payed for stuff via your company with site licence for all your boxes but there would still be some input.

The way I have it setup on my systems I use, is install everything on each system and manually configure it.

Thats fine for 3 boxes but annoying as all hell if you had to do them like that from unit to unit.

I guess technically you could do it remotely overnight but who knows.

I guess you could just have a portable with everything set.

The user would then go to drive x and run the portable.

You can install nvda and transfer configs I think either way either to and from portable so technically that would probably work.



On 30/11/2021 4:23 am, Mohammed Al Shara wrote:
Hi.

Is there a way currently to install an addon and make it available for all users of a pc? This would be very useful for pcs connected to a domain where each user logs on to the pc using her credentials. If not, is there an issue open for this feature request?

Thanks
Mohammed.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hi Brian,

It is indeed normal for a screen reader to start at the login screen, but in this case NVDA seems to start with the user's settings instead of the secure desktop profile. You will hear the NVDA startup sound, which you should not hear during login. When I use Escape to close the accessibility menu and lock screen, NVDA reports Secure Desktop, and starts in Secure desktop mode.

Kind regards/Vriendelijke groet,
Artin Dekker
groepen@...
Op 29-11-2021 om 16:36 schreef Brian Vogel:

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

I have removed all of the hashtags from this message, as they were clearly placed there without the intent to do so and have no connection to the question being asked.  Please reply using this message so that the cluster of hashtags does not keep reappearing.

I wish I could answer the actual question about whether there's a way to install an add-on such that it's available to all users of a PC, but I can't.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


install an addon for all users

Mohammed Al Shara
 

Hi.

Is there a way currently to install an addon and make it available for all users of a pc? This would be very useful for pcs connected to a domain where each user logs on to the pc using her credentials. If not, is there an issue open for this feature request?

Thanks
Mohammed.


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

In addition to Rui's question, is NVDA actually running when you do this?

I've received this error on a couple of occasions where I double-clicked on an NVDA add-on file when I didn't have NVDA running.

I realize that this is not likely to be your situation, but because it is within the realm of possibility, I had to ask.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hi Rui and Gene,

 

Thanks four your replies. I am sorry for not mentioning the status of NVDA. NVDA is installed properly, as in from the .exe file.

Gene, I will surely try the solution that you mentioned and will let you know.

 

Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

 

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From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 29 November 2021 16:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

NVDA is installed or portable?

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 06:57 de 29/11/2021, Sanjog Kumawat escreveu:

Respected NVDA Group,

 

While installing any NVDA Add-ons, I get the following error:

 

You will need a new app to open this .NVDA-addon file.

Look for an app in the Microsoft Store.

 

 

The device that I am using is a HP Pavilion laptop upgraded to Windows 11. Please give your kind suggestion to solve this error.

 

With Best Regards

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support for Asia & Africa at Bookshare

A Benetech Initiative

IAAP Individual Member

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Rui Fontes
 

NVDA is installed or portable?


Rui Fontes


Às 06:57 de 29/11/2021, Sanjog Kumawat escreveu:

Respected NVDA Group,

 

While installing any NVDA Add-ons, I get the following error:

 

You will need a new app to open this .NVDA-addon file.

Look for an app in the Microsoft Store.

 

 

The device that I am using is a HP Pavilion laptop upgraded to Windows 11. Please give your kind suggestion to solve this error.

 

With Best Regards

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support for Asia & Africa at Bookshare

A Benetech Initiative

IAAP Individual Member

 

 


Re: Eloquence

Chris
 

You will have to download the latest version of the addon  from code factory

If you want to use it with the latest nvda

 

Otherwise you will be waiting a long time

 

From: Dave Marthouse
Sent: 29 November 2021 05:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Elloquence

 

I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have

hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed

by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was

about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with

Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.

 

 

 

 

Dave Marthouse

 

dmarthouse@...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hi everyone,

I don't really care what information is on the lock screen. My main concern is the appearance of the accessibility options. I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.

Kind regards/Vriendelijke groet,
Artin Dekker
groepen@...
Op 27-11-2021 om 21:22 schreef Chris Mullins:

Hi

The information you see on the lock screen is controlled through the Personalization sub-menu in the Settings app. (Windows+I).  Arrow down the list of categories after opening the Personalization sub-menu and press enter on “Lock Screen”.  You can choose what to display in the controls on this screen.  When my lock screen opens after start-up, I just press control and that puts me in the Pin number box and after entering that, my NVDA user profile loads..

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

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From: Artin Dekker
Sent: 27 November 2021 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello everyone,

 

Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.

 

Kind Regarts,

Artin Dekker


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


 

 

 


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Gene
 

While you wait for a possible solution, this workaround may allow you to install add-ons.  Don’t press enter on the add-on itself.  Open the NVDA menu, open tools, down arrow to manage adde-ons and press enter.
Then tab to the install button and press the space bar.
You are in a typical open dialog.  Shift tab, I believe its twice, to the files and folder’s list.  Find the add-on and press enter. 
 
I believe this will likely work because you are installing the add-on using NVDA directly and not having Windows open the file first.  You are installing it as though you were using a portable version.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Add-ons installation problem
 

Respected NVDA Group,

 

While installing any NVDA Add-ons, I get the following error:

 

You will need a new app to open this .NVDA-addon file.

Look for an app in the Microsoft Store.

 

 

The device that I am using is a HP Pavilion laptop upgraded to Windows 11. Please give your kind suggestion to solve this error.

 

With Best Regards

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support for Asia & Africa at Bookshare

A Benetech Initiative

IAAP Individual Member

 

 


NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Respected NVDA Group,

 

While installing any NVDA Add-ons, I get the following error:

 

You will need a new app to open this .NVDA-addon file.

Look for an app in the Microsoft Store.

 

 

The device that I am using is a HP Pavilion laptop upgraded to Windows 11. Please give your kind suggestion to solve this error.

 

With Best Regards

Sanjog Kumawat

Membership Support for Asia & Africa at Bookshare

A Benetech Initiative

IAAP Individual Member

 

 


Eloquence

Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
 

I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.




Dave Marthouse

dmarthouse@...


Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

I guessed the dates from in process and from what you hear with NVDA 2021.2 on 2021.2, NV access said that translators would have until the 6th of September, and NVDA 2021.2rc1 was released the day after the 6th...now , I got the same situation, they said that the translators have until the 30th, so my preview for rc is on the 1st of desembro.and a week later, the official release

Em seg., 29 de nov. de 2021 às 02:42, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> escreveu:

Hi,

Actually, far from useless. December 6, 2021 is a credible date because:

  1. There is a forum (hosted on Groups.IO) where NVDA translators hang out, and members were asked to finish 2021.3 translation by end of November.
  2. After translators send in their final data, NV Access publishes release candidates, in this case I expect 2021.3 RC to be released anytime this week.
  3. At least a week after the first RC is released, the stable version is released. If translations schedule holds, next week is when I expect NVDA 2021.3 stable version to come out. Things can change if folks discover a really serious problem that must be fixed right away.

I said "credible date" precisely because of point 3 above: things can change. A rule of thumb is that:

  1. A given NVDA release will go through beta/RC phase for at least three weeks: two weeks while translators put finishing touches (translatable string freeze), then an RC week. NV Access can choose to declare string freeze (two weeks) right as they release beta 1 but typically developers have waited several days after releasing beta 1 to tell translators that they have two weeks to finalize translation data.
  2. We can guess as to when the next stable version of NVDA might be released, which takes place within a week after end of translatable string freeze. Folks can "guess" this date not only because NV Access has documented this in many places (including in various In-Process blog posts), but also since things can change without notice.
  3. For backwards incompatible releases, beta phase is longer - not only developers are finalizing the release, but beta is used by add-on authors to make their add-ons compatible. These days more add-on authors have realized that they must prepare their add-ons a bit early, going so far as willing to think about testing their add-ons against alpha releases (not often but happens; the practice of testing add-ons while using NVDA alpha builds is optional). I expect there will be announcements about NVDA 2022.1 after the new year.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: no install NVDA 2021.3 now

 

Hi,

Actually, far from useless. December 6, 2021 is a credible date because:

  1. There is a forum (hosted on Groups.IO) where NVDA translators hang out, and members were asked to finish 2021.3 translation by end of November.
  2. After translators send in their final data, NV Access publishes release candidates, in this case I expect 2021.3 RC to be released anytime this week.
  3. At least a week after the first RC is released, the stable version is released. If translations schedule holds, next week is when I expect NVDA 2021.3 stable version to come out. Things can change if folks discover a really serious problem that must be fixed right away.

I said "credible date" precisely because of point 3 above: things can change. A rule of thumb is that:

  1. A given NVDA release will go through beta/RC phase for at least three weeks: two weeks while translators put finishing touches (translatable string freeze), then an RC week. NV Access can choose to declare string freeze (two weeks) right as they release beta 1 but typically developers have waited several days after releasing beta 1 to tell translators that they have two weeks to finalize translation data.
  2. We can guess as to when the next stable version of NVDA might be released, which takes place within a week after end of translatable string freeze. Folks can "guess" this date not only because NV Access has documented this in many places (including in various In-Process blog posts), but also since things can change without notice.
  3. For backwards incompatible releases, beta phase is longer - not only developers are finalizing the release, but beta is used by add-on authors to make their add-ons compatible. These days more add-on authors have realized that they must prepare their add-ons a bit early, going so far as willing to think about testing their add-ons against alpha releases (not often but happens; the practice of testing add-ons while using NVDA alpha builds is optional). I expect there will be announcements about NVDA 2022.1 after the new year.

Cheers,

Joseph

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