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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 


Well at least you had understanding users.

I once had a user that decided instead of talking me to do his own thing to convert a file.

I had a converter I used that I knew was safe.

He found one that wasn't.

That in itself would have been fine if he told me straight away.

He didn't.

By the time I got to it well...

Both of us know how bad unsafe things can be if we are not told straight away.

I won't tell you what I did of course, but lots of dammage.

Not to mention the other time where a user decided to get rid of a problem to load umpteen security programs on the system.

They needed it back at the end of the week.

It took me all that week, 2 hours to remove all the programs and put it back in working order and 4 days with disk cleanup running to remove all the junk that had taken up the hard drive.



On 30/11/2021 6:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have no doubt about how badly "the uninitiated" can mess up a machine with a screen reader on it for the person who actually uses that machine.

I'm the only local tech, that I know of, that has a built-in level of trust in the screen reader user community when it comes to fixing computers simply because I don't mess them up.  And that came about from years of helping out a dear friend, now deceased, who taught me at the beginning what to avoid and why.  I learned as much from her about the nuances necessary for working on a computer that belonged to a screen reader user as I learned in a number of other technical training courses.  After I had it all nailed down, I became the only person, other than herself, that she ever allowed to touch her computers unsupervised.  She'd also feel free to call me on the very rare occcasion where there was a major accessiblity stumbling block, as sometimes I could solve it, and other times I could confirm it could not be solved, and she had a much better way to make her case when raising a stink about it (which she always took the time to do, much to her credit).
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 01:03 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.
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Big picture, you're right.  But it's not that simple, and you know it.

Each and every one of us is used to what we're used to, and very few of us who don't have either a blind loved one or coworker have ever, even once, been in front of a computer with a screen reader, period, let alone one that's active on a login screen.

It's not that a sighted person can't, or won't, adjust, it's just that the first time you encounter this you are a bit like the proverbial deer in the headlights, frozen and not quite knowing what to do.  And that's where the biggest problem lies for a shared computer outside the home in that you'll be running into this issue again and again and again if there are enough occasional sighted users sitting down to use the machine for the first time.

I don't know of a single sighted user in a mixed environment who cannot adjust to a screen reader being on, and even learning how to turn it off.  But if you've never been in a mixed environment, and many haven't, it's utterly unrealistic to believe that "the sighted are a problem here" because they're reacting as many of us naturally do when confronted with something "alien" for the first time in their lives.  They have no idea of what to do, or how, nor should they.

I think a very great many on these blind-tech groups forget just how small a minority you are, and in the big picture that matters whether you want it to or not, and particularly in an instance such as this one.  There are never going to be anything near to a majority of people in the world who have ever, even once, encountered an assistive technology of any sort.  And they're almost always going to be flummoxed when they do for the first time.  One of the proverbial crosses you must bear is the constant need to educate when this occurs.
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         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

mike mcglashon
 

Man, you guys are rough;



Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

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Ph: 618 783 9331

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Hi Group,

I got in late on this topic, so I didn't closely examine all the posts.
However, I believe you can set up different profiles for different users beginning way back in Windows XP wherein the other users to your system can log in with their own user name and password and then speech will be automatically shut down. The only speech they would hear would be the pre-log-in screen chatter. Once they log in, the speech would be disabled. If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.


On 11/29/2021 11:52 AM, Lenron wrote:
rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening
if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another
computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or
say, I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so
sightlings don't appreciate blindy software running on their system
at any time so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must
start before you (or anyone) is logged in. Every screen reader I
know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior,
as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
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*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is
his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

~ Vance Packard




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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I got in late on this topic, so I didn't closely examine all the posts. However, I believe you can set up different profiles for different users beginning way back in Windows XP wherein the other users to your system can log in with their own user name and password and then speech will be automatically shut down.  The only speech they would hear would be the pre-log-in screen chatter. Once they log in, the speech would be disabled. If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.

On 11/29/2021 11:52 AM, Lenron wrote:
rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

         ~ Vance Packard




--
Signature:
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

I have no doubt about how badly "the uninitiated" can mess up a machine with a screen reader on it for the person who actually uses that machine.

I'm the only local tech, that I know of, that has a built-in level of trust in the screen reader user community when it comes to fixing computers simply because I don't mess them up.  And that came about from years of helping out a dear friend, now deceased, who taught me at the beginning what to avoid and why.  I learned as much from her about the nuances necessary for working on a computer that belonged to a screen reader user as I learned in a number of other technical training courses.  After I had it all nailed down, I became the only person, other than herself, that she ever allowed to touch her computers unsupervised.  She'd also feel free to call me on the very rare occcasion where there was a major accessiblity stumbling block, as sometimes I could solve it, and other times I could confirm it could not be solved, and she had a much better way to make her case when raising a stink about it (which she always took the time to do, much to her credit).
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Both.

Especially with espeak and other things.



On 30/11/2021 6:20 am, Gene wrote:
Just speech at login or in general?  Your message states speech at login and that may be a small thing.  Speech running aside from that would be a major ;problem for a sighted user.  I won’t go into the reasons here.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
 
rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
> you had shhared computers with the sighted.
>
> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.
>
> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.
>
>
>
> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
>>
>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
>>     before I'm logged in.
>>
>> -
>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
>> programs don't have the capability.
>>
>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
>> turned it on.
>> --
>>
>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>>
>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*
>>
>>          ~ Vance Packard
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

True.

However all of us have our own systems.

I guess it depends on your users.

I used to service a family of clients.

User 1 used the system responsibly.

User 2 had issue and would try to clear things by doing it the wrong way.

User 3 used cracked software all the time and clicked links in spam emails.

User 4 loaded stuff because it looked cool when it wasn't.

Now I maintain each of their systems and user 3 and 4 are simply no longer done by me because they don't learn.

User 2 has an older system but at least the first 2 users know sort what they are doing and I tell them not to do this and that.

So I'd recieve the system every other week.

If I was lucky, user 1 and 2 had issues and I could fix them.

But if user 3 and 4 had been at it again which happened monthly, well long story short I got tired about reformatting and reinstalling windows every few weeks to fix their issues or worse.

They wouldn't believe that it was them screwing things up so yeah I can see it from both ends.

If you can handle a share without stepping on each other's toes you are welcome to it.

Personally I am happy that each user here has their own system.

I keep them updated and if it all goes to hell then it goes to hell.

But at least its not all going to hell.

Now that was before I could do something about it.

I guess I could restrict and stop user 3 and 4 and maybe 2 before they did any damage but I couldn't before really.



On 30/11/2021 6:02 am, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi the idea of having speech on the log-in screen is to make it inclusive and if it’s a shared resource the sightlings should not consider it as “their system”.  They need educating to understand that once they log into their account on the computer, the speech will go away and in an environment where blind people share a computer, talking log-in screens should be the norm not the exception.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

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From: Lenron
Sent: 29 November 2021 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and

honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not

use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

 

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if

> you had shhared computers with the sighted.

> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,

> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to

> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't

> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having

> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.

> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

>> 

>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start

>>     before I'm logged in.

>> 

>> -

>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start

>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of

>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most

>> programs don't have the capability.

>> 

>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently

>> turned it on.

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his

>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

>> 

>>          ~ Vance Packard

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

You'd think.

I have had people use computers from friends to techs.

I had to eventually stop them doing it though.

If I use other's systems at least if I need to modify for my use at least I have the decency to put it all back.

Some didn't I even had people load stuff so they could use it.

So at best I'd be having to reconfigure just about every setting changed and they wouldn't tell me.

Or I'd have to ask someone to turn sound back on.

Or I'd need to make sure I had a restore point or some way to not have to do something drastic.

After one particular family member decided to load and prank me with a lot of keyboard changers and the like to get a laugh out of me I simply stopped the practice entirely.

Sure I guess it was all nice to have all my keys with sharpkeys do different things but not practicable.

I mean if he was there that would have been fine but he went away to see what I'd do.

Luckily I backup all my stuff, and 1 week and a full system reformat later and it worked again.

He was therefor surprised when on returning I told him under no cercumstances would he or anyone else use my stuff and that included my parents.

I mean if they need to then sure but seriously I don't care for it.

Joking someone is fine but if its a bit more perminant than that its beyond funny.

On 30/11/2021 5:52 am, Lenron wrote:
rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

         ~ Vance Packard





Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Gene
 

Just speech at login or in general?  Your message states speech at login and that may be a small thing.  Speech running aside from that would be a major ;problem for a sighted user.  I won’t go into the reasons here.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup
 
rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
> you had shhared computers with the sighted.
>
> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.
>
> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.
>
>
>
> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
>>
>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
>>     before I'm logged in.
>>
>> -
>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
>> programs don't have the capability.
>>
>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
>> turned it on.
>> --
>>
>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>>
>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*
>>
>>          ~ Vance Packard
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
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Main cell 985-714-8446
Cell: 985-271-2832
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Chris Mullins
 

Hi the idea of having speech on the log-in screen is to make it inclusive and if it’s a shared resource the sightlings should not consider it as “their system”.  They need educating to understand that once they log into their account on the computer, the speech will go away and in an environment where blind people share a computer, talking log-in screens should be the norm not the exception.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Lenron
Sent: 29 November 2021 16:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and

honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not

use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

 

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if

> you had shhared computers with the sighted.

> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,

> People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to

> reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't

> appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having

> it on login, just not a real option if its shared.

> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

>> 

>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start

>>     before I'm logged in.

>> 

>> -

>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start

>> before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of

>> has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most

>> programs don't have the capability.

>> 

>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently

>> turned it on.

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his

>> ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

>> 

>>          ~ Vance Packard

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Main cell 985-714-8446

Cell: 985-271-2832

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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Lenron
 

rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if
you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer,
People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to
reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't
appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having
it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start
before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of
has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most
programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*/The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his
ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

         ~ Vance Packard





--
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Main cell 985-714-8446
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
--

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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

Well look at my previous message.

Since I put this in the message before reading this one, you could run a portable and transfer things over that way or manually setup.

But nvda never had a network install.

This would be a question for quenton if he is about.

I mean maybe he will be about during the day to answer it.

As far as I know you can't natively install and configure nvda on a server and anyway everyone doesn't have the same config so you couldn't run a standardised configuration.

I am unsure if you can export application profiles and what addons go with with but if you could do that which you can't currently then you could create a profile for a single app thhat way orr maybe the entire load but as I said quentin probably can answer this.



On 30/11/2021 4:32 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have removed all of the hashtags from this message, as they were clearly placed there without the intent to do so and have no connection to the question being asked.  Please reply using this message so that the cluster of hashtags does not keep reappearing.

I wish I could answer the actual question about whether there's a way to install an add-on such that it's available to all users of a PC, but I can't.
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         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

Hmmm each user uses an installed nvda with all their profiles etc.

I guess if every user had the same configuration you could create a portable and just run it like that.

The only other way would to have a batch file with something like the following.

@echo off

x:\nvda installer

x:\addon1.nvda-addon, etc

Of course chaining things together would depend on nvda being installed, etc.

It would also depend on using 1 drive and or 1 network location for the installs.

I am unsure if there is a packager to package addons say your entire configuration or all addons in 1 for various users.

So then you only would have to run 1 or 2 files at the most.

However that would assume you didn't use any payed for anything.

I mean I guess you could technically have payed for stuff via your company with site licence for all your boxes but there would still be some input.

The way I have it setup on my systems I use, is install everything on each system and manually configure it.

Thats fine for 3 boxes but annoying as all hell if you had to do them like that from unit to unit.

I guess technically you could do it remotely overnight but who knows.

I guess you could just have a portable with everything set.

The user would then go to drive x and run the portable.

You can install nvda and transfer configs I think either way either to and from portable so technically that would probably work.



On 30/11/2021 4:23 am, Mohammed Al Shara wrote:
Hi.

Is there a way currently to install an addon and make it available for all users of a pc? This would be very useful for pcs connected to a domain where each user logs on to the pc using her credentials. If not, is there an issue open for this feature request?

Thanks
Mohammed.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hi Brian,

It is indeed normal for a screen reader to start at the login screen, but in this case NVDA seems to start with the user's settings instead of the secure desktop profile. You will hear the NVDA startup sound, which you should not hear during login. When I use Escape to close the accessibility menu and lock screen, NVDA reports Secure Desktop, and starts in Secure desktop mode.

Kind regards/Vriendelijke groet,
Artin Dekker
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Op 29-11-2021 om 16:36 schreef Brian Vogel:

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
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Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:
I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.
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Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: install an addon for all users

 

I have removed all of the hashtags from this message, as they were clearly placed there without the intent to do so and have no connection to the question being asked.  Please reply using this message so that the cluster of hashtags does not keep reappearing.

I wish I could answer the actual question about whether there's a way to install an add-on such that it's available to all users of a PC, but I can't.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


install an addon for all users

Mohammed Al Shara
 

Hi.

Is there a way currently to install an addon and make it available for all users of a pc? This would be very useful for pcs connected to a domain where each user logs on to the pc using her credentials. If not, is there an issue open for this feature request?

Thanks
Mohammed.


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

In addition to Rui's question, is NVDA actually running when you do this?

I've received this error on a couple of occasions where I double-clicked on an NVDA add-on file when I didn't have NVDA running.

I realize that this is not likely to be your situation, but because it is within the realm of possibility, I had to ask.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Hi Rui and Gene,

 

Thanks four your replies. I am sorry for not mentioning the status of NVDA. NVDA is installed properly, as in from the .exe file.

Gene, I will surely try the solution that you mentioned and will let you know.

 

Regards,

Sanjog Kumawat

 

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From: Rui Fontes
Sent: 29 November 2021 16:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

NVDA is installed or portable?

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 06:57 de 29/11/2021, Sanjog Kumawat escreveu:

Respected NVDA Group,

 

While installing any NVDA Add-ons, I get the following error:

 

You will need a new app to open this .NVDA-addon file.

Look for an app in the Microsoft Store.

 

 

The device that I am using is a HP Pavilion laptop upgraded to Windows 11. Please give your kind suggestion to solve this error.

 

With Best Regards

Sanjog Kumawat

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