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Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

I don't know what version of NVDA you have installed, but as a diagnostic step I'd suggest uninstalling it, and reinstalling.  And on the reinstall use NVDA 2021.3beta.

If that doesn't solve it, then we'd have to start digging into file associations by file extension, which should associate files with dot NVDA hyphen add-on extension with NVDA itself, and that should happen as part of a successful NVDA install.
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Re: NVDA Add-ons installation problem

Sanjog Kumawat
 

Yes, NVDA is running.

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 29 November 2021 20:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Add-ons installation problem

 

In addition to Rui's question, is NVDA actually running when you do this?

I've received this error on a couple of occasions where I double-clicked on an NVDA add-on file when I didn't have NVDA running.

I realize that this is not likely to be your situation, but because it is within the realm of possibility, I had to ask.
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Re: silenzio

 

thanks for that.



On 30/11/2021 7:06 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Correct spelling.

Download Link:  http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112
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Re: silenzio

 

Correct spelling.

Download Link:  http://www.stefankiss.sk/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=112
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Re: install an addon for all users

 

Yeah, each user would have to run the portable nvda first, then get permition to install it on their systems.

The only way I guess you could set that, would to have each user get admin rights on their account for that day you were installing them, set it up for one time, then once installing nvda was done allow nvda to install and run its own addons or simply allow nvda to always have admin permitions anywhere it runs.

But yeah not sure.

The only other way would everyone to have nvda that needed it then have the configuration set up and a user could import it but every user would have a slightly different configuration.

The only other way would to have nvda installed on all systems with a standard configuration but everyone would have to customise it.

However unless you could import one well not sure.



On 30/11/2021 4:38 pm, Mohammed Al Shara wrote:
Hi. Using a portable copy means also living with the limitations of running portable NVDA, specially that NVDA needs to be run manually by each user who needs it. Lets see if @Quentin would give his 2 cents on this.


silenzio

 

Hi.

Not sure how to spell this program's name but I would like its website please.

The issue, my audioquest dragonfly red appeared a couple days ago.

The unit is good though the cap didn't want to come off at first.

The unit is good at 20% anything higher on headphones and its to loud.

Its fully updated and it fully works and I like it.

However it appears that if I stop using it for a second the first bit of the audio is slightly cut out like its gone into some saver mode or something.

There is no way to configure it even though its got controls.

I heard about this silence player that plays silence to the card so it never does this.

I wouldn't mind this program so I can run it with this card.

Unless there is another audioquest configuration utility I am missing I am not sure, everything is set correctly and power is set for maximum with all savings turned off at least while plugged in.


Re: install an addon for all users

Mohammed Al Shara
 

Hi. Using a portable copy means also living with the limitations of running portable NVDA, specially that NVDA needs to be run manually by each user who needs it. Lets see if @Quentin would give his 2 cents on this.


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Sarah,

 

I taught my sister how to turn off speech and turn it back on too. In fact, I ask her if it would help to turn off speech. Since I’m living alone and am the only one who uses this computer, I don’t see a need to create a new profile for a sighted person. I just have them turn off speech if it helps them.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Agreed.  I taught my parents how to turn off my speech and turn it back on. it doesn't really matter anymore.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron

Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 8:53 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

rofl I have had family need to use  computers of mine before and honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

 

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

> And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening

> if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

> No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

> In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another

> computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say,

> I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings

> don't appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time

> so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.

> On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

>> 

>>     I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start

>>     before I'm logged in.

>> 

>> -

>> Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must

>> start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I

>> know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior,

>> as most programs don't have the capability.

>> 

>> It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently

>> turned it on.

>> --

>> 

>> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

>> 

>> */The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is

>> his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

>> 

>>          ~ Vance Packard

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Arlene
 

I agree, I used to know how to configure a computer for a sightling.  I forgot how to do it. I’m the only user who uses this computer. I like it when speech comes on when the computer starts up before I type in my logon password.  I’m not worried about it.  If a sightling had to use this system. I’d just tell him or her this is how it is. If I have to create a profile for you  it will talk for me but you will have it so nothing talks for you. 

 

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From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 29, 2021 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say, I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings don't appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.

 

 

On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must start before you (or anyone) is logged in.  Every screen reader I know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior, as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently turned it on.
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Re: Eloquence

Sarah k Alawami
 

No problemo, got yah. Yeah, that sale is grate eh? Wish the sapi one were on sale, but sad to say it Is not.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence

 

Hi Sarah,

 

Yes I believe AT Guys have the latest version available - I hope so, I just shared their Black Friday $10 off sale on it yesterday!  https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=21

 

In any case, I think you are buying the license, so at worst you could download the latest version from Code Factory and use the license details you bought (I haven't got Eloquence myself, so take that as my assumption rather than fact).

 

Quentin.

 

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:55 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I got mine from AtGuys a while ago. Will they update their site to reflect the changes to the add on of any, when the time comes? I hope this question makes sence. I’m not at all feeling well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: dmarthouse@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence

 

Hi Dave,

 

Yes, Code Factory released the updated Eloquence just before NVDA 2021 came out.  You can find the new version (and the old) here: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

For your interest, as well it being mentioned here in the group, I also included information about it in our In-process blog at the time: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-16th-july-2021/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...> wrote:

I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have
hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed
by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was
about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with
Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.




Dave Marthouse

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Re: Eloquence

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sarah,

Yes I believe AT Guys have the latest version available - I hope so, I just shared their Black Friday $10 off sale on it yesterday!  https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=21

In any case, I think you are buying the license, so at worst you could download the latest version from Code Factory and use the license details you bought (I haven't got Eloquence myself, so take that as my assumption rather than fact).

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:55 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I got mine from AtGuys a while ago. Will they update their site to reflect the changes to the add on of any, when the time comes? I hope this question makes sence. I’m not at all feeling well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: dmarthouse@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence

 

Hi Dave,

 

Yes, Code Factory released the updated Eloquence just before NVDA 2021 came out.  You can find the new version (and the old) here: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

For your interest, as well it being mentioned here in the group, I also included information about it in our In-process blog at the time: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-16th-july-2021/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...> wrote:

I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have
hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed
by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was
about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with
Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.




Dave Marthouse

dmarthouse@...








 

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Re: Eloquence

Sarah k Alawami
 

I got mine from AtGuys a while ago. Will they update their site to reflect the changes to the add on of any, when the time comes? I hope this question makes sence. I’m not at all feeling well.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 12:51 PM
To: dmarthouse@...
Cc: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence

 

Hi Dave,

 

Yes, Code Factory released the updated Eloquence just before NVDA 2021 came out.  You can find the new version (and the old) here: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

 

For your interest, as well it being mentioned here in the group, I also included information about it in our In-process blog at the time: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-16th-july-2021/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...> wrote:

I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have
hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed
by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was
about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with
Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.




Dave Marthouse

dmarthouse@...








 

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Training and Support Manager

 


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep. I sat right next to a deaf person during lunch, didn’t know this, thought she  was being rude when she would not answer back at me. Tha’ts another store, but you are right.

 

I recently had to fix my mom’s computer, again,  and left the screen reader on accidently; luckily she knows how to turn it off, still though. My sister and brother are used to it, but they were not at first and nor was my best friend of 20 years.

 

To the person’s question, I think there is a way to set up user profiles on windows to do what you need, but I’m not 100 percent sure. A quick bing search might be of  help here.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 01:03 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.

-
Big picture, you're right.  But it's not that simple, and you know it.

Each and every one of us is used to what we're used to, and very few of us who don't have either a blind loved one or coworker have ever, even once, been in front of a computer with a screen reader, period, let alone one that's active on a login screen.

It's not that a sighted person can't, or won't, adjust, it's just that the first time you encounter this you are a bit like the proverbial deer in the headlights, frozen and not quite knowing what to do.  And that's where the biggest problem lies for a shared computer outside the home in that you'll be running into this issue again and again and again if there are enough occasional sighted users sitting down to use the machine for the first time.

I don't know of a single sighted user in a mixed environment who cannot adjust to a screen reader being on, and even learning how to turn it off.  But if you've never been in a mixed environment, and many haven't, it's utterly unrealistic to believe that "the sighted are a problem here" because they're reacting as many of us naturally do when confronted with something "alien" for the first time in their lives.  They have no idea of what to do, or how, nor should they.

I think a very great many on these blind-tech groups forget just how small a minority you are, and in the big picture that matters whether you want it to or not, and particularly in an instance such as this one.  There are never going to be anything near to a majority of people in the world who have ever, even once, encountered an assistive technology of any sort.  And they're almost always going to be flummoxed when they do for the first time.  One of the proverbial crosses you must bear is the constant need to educate when this occurs.
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. I taught my parents how to turn off my speech and turn it back on. it doesn't really matter anymore.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening
if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another
computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or say,
I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so sightlings
don't appreciate blindy software running on their system at any time
so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

-
Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must
start before you (or anyone) is logged in. Every screen reader I
know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior,
as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
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his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly./*

~ Vance Packard






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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

matthew dyer
 

Hi,

 

On my machine with NVDA I have the same problem. IF any”one knows how to fix this, that would be great.

 

Mat8w

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Artin Dekker
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 2:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hi everyone,

I don't really care what information is on the lock screen. My main concern is the appearance of the accessibility options. I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start before I'm logged in.

Kind regards/Vriendelijke groet,
Artin Dekker
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Op 27-11-2021 om 21:22 schreef Chris Mullins:

Hi

The information you see on the lock screen is controlled through the Personalization sub-menu in the Settings app. (Windows+I).  Arrow down the list of categories after opening the Personalization sub-menu and press enter on “Lock Screen”.  You can choose what to display in the controls on this screen.  When my lock screen opens after start-up, I just press control and that puts me in the Pin number box and after entering that, my NVDA user profile loads..

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

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From: Artin Dekker
Sent: 27 November 2021 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello everyone,

 

Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.

 

Kind Regarts,

Artin Dekker


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


 

 

 


Re: Eloquence

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Dave,

Yes, Code Factory released the updated Eloquence just before NVDA 2021 came out.  You can find the new version (and the old) here: https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/

For your interest, as well it being mentioned here in the group, I also included information about it in our In-process blog at the time: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-16th-july-2021/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 4:54 PM Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...> wrote:
I have the Code Factory Eloquence installed on my system  I have
hesitated to upgrade to the latest builds of Nvda because I was informed
by the add-on installer that Eloquence wasn't compatible.  This was
about a month or 6 weeks back.  Has the situation changed with
Eloquence?  Any information would be appreciated.




Dave Marthouse

dmarthouse@...










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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Louise Pfau
 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 11:27 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Big picture, you're right.  But it's not that simple, and you know it.

Each and every one of us is used to what we're used to, and very few of us who don't have either a blind loved one or coworker have ever, even once, been in front of a computer with a screen reader, period, let alone one that's active on a login screen.

It's not that a sighted person can't, or won't, adjust, it's just that the first time you encounter this you are a bit like the proverbial deer in the headlights, frozen and not quite knowing what to do.  And that's where the biggest problem lies for a shared computer outside the home in that you'll be running into this issue again and again and again if there are enough occasional sighted users sitting down to use the machine for the first time.

I don't know of a single sighted user in a mixed environment who cannot adjust to a screen reader being on, and even learning how to turn it off.  But if you've never been in a mixed environment, and many haven't, it's utterly unrealistic to believe that "the sighted are a problem here" because they're reacting as many of us naturally do when confronted with something "alien" for the first time in their lives.  They have no idea of what to do, or how, nor should they.

I think a very great many on these blind-tech groups forget just how small a minority you are, and in the big picture that matters whether you want it to or not, and particularly in an instance such as this one.  There are never going to be anything near to a majority of people in the world who have ever, even once, encountered an assistive technology of any sort.  And they're almost always going to be flummoxed when they do for the first time.  One of the proverbial crosses you must bear is the constant need to educate when this occurs.
I have the reverse situation compared to what has been discussed on this thread.  I use a sighted family member's computer when I go to visit them for vacations.  I had to set NVDA not to speak on both the logon screen and Windows startup.  I didn't realize that there were 2 checkboxes "Start NVDA after I sign in" and "Use NVDA during sign-in" in General settings to check, so I originally missed "Use NVDA during sign-in".  Everything was find once I'd found the "Use NVDA during sign-in" checkbox.

Louise


Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 


Well at least you had understanding users.

I once had a user that decided instead of talking me to do his own thing to convert a file.

I had a converter I used that I knew was safe.

He found one that wasn't.

That in itself would have been fine if he told me straight away.

He didn't.

By the time I got to it well...

Both of us know how bad unsafe things can be if we are not told straight away.

I won't tell you what I did of course, but lots of dammage.

Not to mention the other time where a user decided to get rid of a problem to load umpteen security programs on the system.

They needed it back at the end of the week.

It took me all that week, 2 hours to remove all the programs and put it back in working order and 4 days with disk cleanup running to remove all the junk that had taken up the hard drive.



On 30/11/2021 6:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have no doubt about how badly "the uninitiated" can mess up a machine with a screen reader on it for the person who actually uses that machine.

I'm the only local tech, that I know of, that has a built-in level of trust in the screen reader user community when it comes to fixing computers simply because I don't mess them up.  And that came about from years of helping out a dear friend, now deceased, who taught me at the beginning what to avoid and why.  I learned as much from her about the nuances necessary for working on a computer that belonged to a screen reader user as I learned in a number of other technical training courses.  After I had it all nailed down, I became the only person, other than herself, that she ever allowed to touch her computers unsupervised.  She'd also feel free to call me on the very rare occcasion where there was a major accessiblity stumbling block, as sometimes I could solve it, and other times I could confirm it could not be solved, and she had a much better way to make her case when raising a stink about it (which she always took the time to do, much to her credit).
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 01:03 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.
-
Big picture, you're right.  But it's not that simple, and you know it.

Each and every one of us is used to what we're used to, and very few of us who don't have either a blind loved one or coworker have ever, even once, been in front of a computer with a screen reader, period, let alone one that's active on a login screen.

It's not that a sighted person can't, or won't, adjust, it's just that the first time you encounter this you are a bit like the proverbial deer in the headlights, frozen and not quite knowing what to do.  And that's where the biggest problem lies for a shared computer outside the home in that you'll be running into this issue again and again and again if there are enough occasional sighted users sitting down to use the machine for the first time.

I don't know of a single sighted user in a mixed environment who cannot adjust to a screen reader being on, and even learning how to turn it off.  But if you've never been in a mixed environment, and many haven't, it's utterly unrealistic to believe that "the sighted are a problem here" because they're reacting as many of us naturally do when confronted with something "alien" for the first time in their lives.  They have no idea of what to do, or how, nor should they.

I think a very great many on these blind-tech groups forget just how small a minority you are, and in the big picture that matters whether you want it to or not, and particularly in an instance such as this one.  There are never going to be anything near to a majority of people in the world who have ever, even once, encountered an assistive technology of any sort.  And they're almost always going to be flummoxed when they do for the first time.  One of the proverbial crosses you must bear is the constant need to educate when this occurs.
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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

mike mcglashon
 

Man, you guys are rough;



Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2021 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Hi Group,

I got in late on this topic, so I didn't closely examine all the posts.
However, I believe you can set up different profiles for different users beginning way back in Windows XP wherein the other users to your system can log in with their own user name and password and then speech will be automatically shut down. The only speech they would hear would be the pre-log-in screen chatter. Once they log in, the speech would be disabled. If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.


On 11/29/2021 11:52 AM, Lenron wrote:
rofl I have had family need to use computers of mine before and
honestly if they can't deal with speech at log on they can just not
use my stuff. It's not that big of a deal.

On 11/29/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
And to be honest if you were working you wouldn't want that happening
if you had shhared computers with the sighted.

No one wants that to have speech on login or anything.

In fact when I have speech running even at home or on another
computer, People get annoyed because they want me to close it, or
say, I had to reset the computer because it was talking to me so
sightlings don't appreciate blindy software running on their system
at any time so having it on login, just not a real option if its shared.



On 30/11/2021 4:36 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 02:30 AM, Artin Dekker wrote:

I also find it strange that the NVDA desktop copy seems to start
before I'm logged in.

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Well, if you want to use it on the Windows login screen, it must
start before you (or anyone) is logged in. Every screen reader I
know of has the option to do this, and it is an exception behavior,
as most programs don't have the capability.

It can, of course, be toggled off in settings if you inadvertently
turned it on.
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