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Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually if you interact with each object you can read descriptions etc. I will take a  look later and see what I come up with.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammed Al Shara
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft store and vertual cursor

 

Hi. I know about object navigation and tabbing around that do work, however a lot of the content that's not a form field gets lost. reading discription or anything textual is hard.


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Rosemarie,
Thank you for your suggestion. I use a rate between 20 and 30. I will try Zira at that rate. :)

Warmly,
Mani


On Dec 1, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice
 
Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.
 
> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmly,
> Mani
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 

 
 
 


Re: NVDA with Windows Mail

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s more a way of how you access the folder list in Windows Mail.  You can jump to the folder list (from almost any location within the Mail app except when editing a message) by pressing Control+y, use down/up arrows to navigate the folder list then press enter on the folder you want to view the contents of.  NVDA announces "Loading" and the messages in the chosen folder populate the list control.  The load time taken and quantity of messages loaded is determined by what you have selected in the Mail Settings       , Manage Accounts, Change Mailbox Synch Settings dialog.  My setting loads the last month of messages and I usually wait a few seconds, then press shift+tab to move focus to the message list.  

 

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: 01 December 2021 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Windows Mail

 

Hello all,

As a new Lerner of NVDA , I would like to know if there is an NVDA command to jump directly to the message list from a folder.  Right now, I am tabbing through several controls before landing on the message list. Is there a better way

 

Also, On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?

 

Thank you.

 

Warmly,

Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

 

Hi,

Ah, you have Store version 2, which did change the interface from Store 1 (older Windows 10 releases). One workaround is using ObjPad add-on/scan mode emulation (note that ObjPad add-on is not supported).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?
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Actually, I don't.  The reason for that being that the exact nature of your hearing loss is what's going to dictate what is a clear voice to you.  I love Microsoft David, even with a slight high-frequency loss, but clearly he doesn't work for  you.

There are a wide number of OneCore voices in English that are not American accents, but that still might be better for you.  Since you say you're having an issue with consonants that strongly suggests that your high frequency loss is at play here, so choosing voices where there's more "punch" in that range is probably a good idea.  And that likely means trying out the various female voices.

You can easily add voices under Windows 10 (and, likely, the same way in 11) in Settings, Time & Language, Language Pane with the Add a language button.  The voices for English for the United States, Canada, Australia, and the UK all have text-to-speech capability.  I'd try adding those and then trying out the various voices to see which one, if any, suits you better than David does.  Only you can ultimately make the determination of what is clear to your ears.

Also, if your hearing aids have Bluetooth capability, I'd strongly suggest you exploit that by pairing them with your Windows machine and using them as your primary audio output.  I can hear so very much better when the sound is being fed straight into my ears via my aids than I can when they are amplifying the output of the computer speaker.  You can also, possibly, consult with your audiologist if you have programmable aids to create a program specifically for listening to computer speech that would exaggerate what you need exaggerated to gain clarity when using it, but that could be turned off when you are not in that listening environment.
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         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA 2021.3 RC 1 is available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the new RC version of NVDA and so-far it’s working great for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 3:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 RC 1 is available

 

Hi everyone,

 

The Release Candidate (RC) of NVDA 2021.3 is now available for download and testing. We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.3 release.

Highlights

This release introduces support for the new HID Braille specification. This specification aims to standardize support for Braille Displays without needing individual drivers. There are updates to eSpeak-NG and LibLouis, including new Russian and Tshivenda tables. Error sounds can be enabled in stable builds of NVDA via a new advanced settings option. Say all in Word now scrolls the view to keep the current position visible. There are lots of improvements when using Office with UIA. One UIA fix is that Outlook now ignores more types of layout tables in messages.
Changes from Beta 2:

- Restored reporting of backspaced characters in Visual Studio editor
- Updates to translations.

 

Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3rc1/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

 

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Warmly,

> Mani

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA with Windows Mail

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:42 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?
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Well, it certainly can be, if you accidentally shift from one to the other when you want to be in whatever one you're not in.  NVDA, like JAWS and other screen readers, auto switches between the modes, particularly when browsing the web, as you land on things that require you to be in one mode or the other to use them as they're generally intended to be used.

Focus mode is what's commonly necessary for any field that requires data entry.  Browse mode is most common otherwise, where you want something read, but you're not able to interact with it otherwise.  You can toggle between browse and focus modes with NVDA + Spacebar, and there is a sound associated with each, and I won't attempt to describe them, as it's easier just to land in a fillable field, where you should automatically get the "typewriter-ish" sound for focus mode when you land in it, and if you hit NVDA + Spacebar, you'll get the sound that indicates browse mode is back on again while you are still sitting in that edit box.  You can also hit Escape if you have been auto-switched to focus mode to toggle back to browse mode.

It's difficult to come up with any generic example of where you might need to manually toggle between browse and focus modes, but they do exist.

I despise the Windows 10 Mail client myself, so I can't be of any real help there.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

Mohammed Al Shara
 

Hi. I know about object navigation and tabbing around that do work, however a lot of the content that's not a form field gets lost. reading discription or anything textual is hard.


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Jujube
 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

Hello all,
I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

Thanks.

Warmly,
Mani






Re: loss of hot keys

 

I had forgotten the prior disussions of this issue which had made it clear that this was believed to be a "software key sticking" rather than the more typical hardware key sticking.

Unfortunately, this is something that's extremely difficult to tease out the root cause of, particularly if it cannot be reliably replicated.  And given the number of layers involved between Windows, the screen reader(s), and the programs being accessed with them the "sticking point" could be coming about by a very specific confluence of events that just doesn't happen often at all, and that no one has ever figured out how to intentionally trigger.

Computer bugs really can't be solved if you can't find a way to make them reliably occur.  Without that, you can't trace the code path or paths being taken and where the issue finally shows itself.  The old programmers wry joke phrase, "That's not a bug, it's a feature," has its roots in situations like this.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: loss of hot keys

Sarah k Alawami
 

The problem is I have sticky keys disabled. I really do think it has something to do with the keyboard hook in wx python as we had this problem in a program someone is coding. I can’t remember how they fixed it, I think we used a different keyboard hook.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] loss of hot keys

 

This affects built in keyboards as well and directly connected ones.  I don’t know what causes it but it has something to do with NVDA and was referred to years ago when JAWS had the problem as sticky keys.  I don’t use JAWS now and I don’t know if it ever happens.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 7:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] loss of hot keys

 

Given how cheap fully functional USB wired external keyboards are at most thrift shops, it's worth having one on hand for testing purposes.  Of course if it's a laptop key that's stuck, and you can't unstick it, an external keyboard will still misbehave since the computer will accept input from all connected keyboards.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

Sarah k Alawami
 

They changed the way it looks now. Try using object navigation to get around. That seems to work, or try tabbing like I sometimes do.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammed Al Shara
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 11:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] microsoft store and vertual cursor

 

Hi.

when navigating microsoft's store NVDA on my pc doesn't switch to vertual cursor just as I remember it doing before. Am I imagining things or there indeed should be a vertual window when microsoft store is navigated? Windows 11 and latest beta of NVDA.


Re: NV access site does not open

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've not even heard of that expression, and I'm kind of a native English speaker. I'll have to look that up to teach my students that one.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 6:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NV access site does not open

Lol, I'm sorry, Eduardo--I'm usually sensitive to non-English speakers. It was late, I was tired, & I messed up. & I am so sorry & embarrassed.

Hang fire is just a slang phrase that means wait awhile. So now you learned an English slang!

On 12/1/21, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
chaw, the problem seems to be solved now

Em qua., 1 de dez. de 2021 às 04:33, Shaun Everiss
<sm.everiss@...>
escreveu:

Hmmm its fine here.


On 1/12/2021 6:34 pm, Jackie wrote:
It's not you, bro. Just hang fire till tomorrow, & it'll likely be
back
up.

On 11/30/21, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, i tried to check for updates, and NVDA gave an error,
and i
am
using NVDA2021.3beta2, and when i opened nv access.org site, it
failed! can
you help me?














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problem in using zoom with nvda

udit pandey
 

hi group,
hope that you all are well
I had a problem with zoom when I was using it with my bluetooth headphones on my pc
I started meating suddenly, my nvda stopped working it diddent speak anything I tried restarting nvda still it was same but I could here other background voices.
same case was with narrator also.
but somehow I ended the meating then nvda worked perfectly is there any solution for this problem I am using nvda latest version windows 10 and the latest version of zoom


Re: NVDA with Windows Mail

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

As far as the mail app, there’s a way to get back to the inbox from another folder. It’s shift control I. I don’t know about the other questions.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 7:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Windows Mail

 

Hello all,

As a new Lerner of NVDA , I would like to know if there is an NVDA command to jump directly to the message list from a folder.  Right now, I am tabbing through several controls before landing on the message list. Is there a better way

 

Also, On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?

 

Thank you.

 

Warmly,

Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

I’m using the e-speak voice female 5. She’s very clear in my opinion.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hello all,

I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

 

Thanks.

 

Warmly,

Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 


Recommendations for NVDA voice

Mani Iyer
 

Hello all,
I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

Thanks.

Warmly,
Mani


NVDA with Windows Mail

Mani Iyer
 

Hello all,
As a new Lerner of NVDA , I would like to know if there is an NVDA command to jump directly to the message list from a folder. Right now, I am tabbing through several controls before landing on the message list. Is there a better way

Also, On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?

Thank you.

Warmly,
Mani


errors with RC

Chris Smart
 

There are a couple errors below the usual initialization messages. Log follows:

 

INFO - __main__ (10:11:56.663) - MainThread (12244):

Starting NVDA version 2021.3rc1

INFO - core.main (10:11:56.898) - MainThread (12244):

Config dir: C:\Users\Chris\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:11:56.898) - MainThread (12244):

Loading config: C:\Users\Chris\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.041) - MainThread (12244):

Windows version: Windows 10 21H2 (10.0.19044) workstation

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.041) - MainThread (12244):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.041) - MainThread (12244):

Using comtypes version 1.1.8

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.041) - MainThread (12244):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:11:57.681) - MainThread (12244):

Loaded synthDriver eloquence

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.681) - MainThread (12244):

Using wx version 4.1.1 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.1.5 with six version 1.16.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:11:57.681) - MainThread (12244):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:11:57.681) - MainThread (12244):

Using liblouis version 3.19.0

INFO - braille.initialize (10:11:57.681) - MainThread (12244):

Using pySerial version 3.5

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:11:57.691) - MainThread (12244):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (10:11:57.811) - MainThread (12244):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:11:57.871) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (12912):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (10:11:58.066) - MainThread (12244):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:12:28.205) - MainThread (12244):

error executing event: UIA_controllerFor on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_StartMenuSearchFieldSearchFieldEditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionUIA object at 0x03B517B0> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 284, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 107, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 2157, in event_UIA_controllerFor

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 42, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 146, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 1935, in _get_controllerFor

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 92, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 1017, in findOverlayClasses

AttributeError: module 'NVDAObjects.UIA.spartanEdge' has no attribute 'EdgeHTMLRootContainer'

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (10:13:16.177) - MainThread (12244):

error executing script: <bound method WordDocument.script_toggleAlignment of <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_OutlookUIAWordDocumentWordDocumentEditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionUIAWindowNVDAObject object at 0x075DFE30>> with gesture 'ctrl+r'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript

  File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 1295, in script_toggleAlignment

  File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 1240, in _WaitForValueChangeForAction

  File "NVDAObjects\window\winword.pyc", line 1295, in <lambda>

  File "monkeyPatches\comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 86, in new__getattr__

  File "comtypes\client\lazybind.pyc", line 168, in __getattr__

  File "comtypes\automation.pyc", line 729, in _invoke

  File "monkeyPatches\comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 30, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2146822463, None, ('Object has been deleted.', 'Microsoft Word', 'wdmain11.chm', 25305, None))

 

 

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