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Re: Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

When I used to use outlook 2013, I used the say all command to read messages. I don’t know of a way to get NVDA to read out messages automatically.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Milton Charlton
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019

 

Sometimes NVDA only reads the first line of an email in Outlook 2019 desktop but sometimes the same email will be read entirely.  I use down arrow to select the email to read and then hit ENTER to bring up the read window.  
I seem to be missing something here.  Does anyone know how to make NVDA read entire emails after hitting ENTER?  I realize that I could use "say all" but would prefer to keep the required inputs to a minimum and to have consistency.
Thanks for this great resource!

NVDA 2021.2
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

Microsoft® Outlook® 2019 MSO (Version 2110 Build 16.0.14527.20234) 32-bit   desktop version

 


Re: Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019

Gene
 

I use say all to read e-mails.  I’m using a different program than you for e-mail but if you do so, it will become so second nature after doing so perhaps for only a few days, that it will take no time that matters and you won’t even think about it anymore. 
 
I doubt there is any setting you can change.  There is a setting to automatically read a page when in browse mode but that is on by default.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 2:06 PM
Subject: [nvda] Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019
 
Sometimes NVDA only reads the first line of an email in Outlook 2019 desktop but sometimes the same email will be read entirely.  I use down arrow to select the email to read and then hit ENTER to bring up the read window. 
I seem to be missing something here.  Does anyone know how to make NVDA read entire emails after hitting ENTER?  I realize that I could use "say all" but would prefer to keep the required inputs to a minimum and to have consistency.
Thanks for this great resource!

NVDA 2021.2
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

Microsoft® Outlook® 2019 MSO (Version 2110 Build 16.0.14527.20234) 32-bit   desktop version


Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019

Milton Charlton
 

Sometimes NVDA only reads the first line of an email in Outlook 2019 desktop but sometimes the same email will be read entirely.  I use down arrow to select the email to read and then hit ENTER to bring up the read window.  
I seem to be missing something here.  Does anyone know how to make NVDA read entire emails after hitting ENTER?  I realize that I could use "say all" but would prefer to keep the required inputs to a minimum and to have consistency.
Thanks for this great resource!

NVDA 2021.2
Windows 10  Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042

Microsoft® Outlook® 2019 MSO (Version 2110 Build 16.0.14527.20234) 32-bit   desktop version


Re: NV access site does not open

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  The expression "Hang fire" can also mean that something isn't working.  The NVDA sight hung fire while they were working on it.

Louise


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I use  "Microsoft Richard" from the "English (Canada)" pack, but I don't know if he has the clarity you require.

Louise


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Doug Hayman <dhayman@...>
 

Speaking of NVDA voices, I’d been having trouble using NVDA and mathplayer to read math where a colleague finally pointed out to me that the Microsoft David voice I was using was the source of my equations not reading correctly. 

 

Doug Hayman

IT Accessibility Coordinator

Information Technology

Olympic College

dhayman@...

(360) 475-7632 (currently working remotely and don’t have access to this phone)

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 10:52 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering!

 

One voice that hasn’t been discussed, though it may have been mentioned, is E-Speak.  It comes with NVDA, but you have to switch to it if you are using Windows 10 and 11.  While I find it harsh and lacking in body, you may find that it is easier to understand than some or many others. 

 

Not knowing about the nature of your hearing loss, I’m not recommending it, just pointing out that it may be more understandable and that it is a part of NVDA.

 

If you don’t know how to switch to it and try different  e-Speak voices, list members will tell you.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 11:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:

Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

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Actually, I don't.  The reason for that being tha

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Monte Single
 

Well, maybe one of those Canadian voices sounds like me!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jujube
Sent: December 1, 2021 12:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Microsoft Mark does sound a little high pitched, you can try pitching it down a few notches to see if it's any better. You could also try the Canadian English voices, but if you don't have Canadian English installed, you'll need to go into windows speech settings to install it.

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:12 AM Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Yes, Zira is my voice of choice.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 1, 2021 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi,

 

My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

 

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Warmly,

> Mani

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Gene
 

One voice that hasn’t been discussed, though it may have been mentioned, is E-Speak.  It comes with NVDA, but you have to switch to it if you are using Windows 10 and 11.  While I find it harsh and lacking in body, you may find that it is easier to understand than some or many others. 
 
Not knowing about the nature of your hearing loss, I’m not recommending it, just pointing out that it may be more understandable and that it is a part of NVDA.
 
If you don’t know how to switch to it and try different  e-Speak voices, list members will tell you.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice
 
On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?
-
Actually, I don't.  The reason for that being tha


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Jujube
 

Microsoft Mark does sound a little high pitched, you can try pitching it down a few notches to see if it's any better. You could also try the Canadian English voices, but if you don't have Canadian English installed, you'll need to go into windows speech settings to install it.


On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:12 AM Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Yes, Zira is my voice of choice.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 1, 2021 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi,

 

My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

 

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Warmly,

> Mani

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Monte Single
 

Yes, Zira is my voice of choice.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December 1, 2021 11:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi,

 

My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

 

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Warmly,

> Mani

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Jujube,
My rate is generally between 20 and 30. I think I preferred David over Mark. And I haven’t tried Zira.

Thank you.

Mani

On Dec 1, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

Hello all,
I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

Thanks.

Warmly,
Mani









Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually if you interact with each object you can read descriptions etc. I will take a  look later and see what I come up with.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mohammed Al Shara
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] microsoft store and vertual cursor

 

Hi. I know about object navigation and tabbing around that do work, however a lot of the content that's not a form field gets lost. reading discription or anything textual is hard.


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Rosemarie,
Thank you for your suggestion. I use a rate between 20 and 30. I will try Zira at that rate. :)

Warmly,
Mani


On Dec 1, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi,
 
My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows
 
From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice
 
Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.
 
> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmly,
> Mani
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 

 
 
 


Re: NVDA with Windows Mail

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s more a way of how you access the folder list in Windows Mail.  You can jump to the folder list (from almost any location within the Mail app except when editing a message) by pressing Control+y, use down/up arrows to navigate the folder list then press enter on the folder you want to view the contents of.  NVDA announces "Loading" and the messages in the chosen folder populate the list control.  The load time taken and quantity of messages loaded is determined by what you have selected in the Mail Settings       , Manage Accounts, Change Mailbox Synch Settings dialog.  My setting loads the last month of messages and I usually wait a few seconds, then press shift+tab to move focus to the message list.  

 

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: 01 December 2021 15:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Windows Mail

 

Hello all,

As a new Lerner of NVDA , I would like to know if there is an NVDA command to jump directly to the message list from a folder.  Right now, I am tabbing through several controls before landing on the message list. Is there a better way

 

Also, On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?

 

Thank you.

 

Warmly,

Mani

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

 

Hi,

Ah, you have Store version 2, which did change the interface from Store 1 (older Windows 10 releases). One workaround is using ObjPad add-on/scan mode emulation (note that ObjPad add-on is not supported).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?
-
Actually, I don't.  The reason for that being that the exact nature of your hearing loss is what's going to dictate what is a clear voice to you.  I love Microsoft David, even with a slight high-frequency loss, but clearly he doesn't work for  you.

There are a wide number of OneCore voices in English that are not American accents, but that still might be better for you.  Since you say you're having an issue with consonants that strongly suggests that your high frequency loss is at play here, so choosing voices where there's more "punch" in that range is probably a good idea.  And that likely means trying out the various female voices.

You can easily add voices under Windows 10 (and, likely, the same way in 11) in Settings, Time & Language, Language Pane with the Add a language button.  The voices for English for the United States, Canada, Australia, and the UK all have text-to-speech capability.  I'd try adding those and then trying out the various voices to see which one, if any, suits you better than David does.  Only you can ultimately make the determination of what is clear to your ears.

Also, if your hearing aids have Bluetooth capability, I'd strongly suggest you exploit that by pairing them with your Windows machine and using them as your primary audio output.  I can hear so very much better when the sound is being fed straight into my ears via my aids than I can when they are amplifying the output of the computer speaker.  You can also, possibly, consult with your audiologist if you have programmable aids to create a program specifically for listening to computer speech that would exaggerate what you need exaggerated to gain clarity when using it, but that could be turned off when you are not in that listening environment.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: NVDA 2021.3 RC 1 is available

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I just downloaded the new RC version of NVDA and so-far it’s working great for me.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 3:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 RC 1 is available

 

Hi everyone,

 

The Release Candidate (RC) of NVDA 2021.3 is now available for download and testing. We encourage all users to download this RC and provide feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.3 release.

Highlights

This release introduces support for the new HID Braille specification. This specification aims to standardize support for Braille Displays without needing individual drivers. There are updates to eSpeak-NG and LibLouis, including new Russian and Tshivenda tables. Error sounds can be enabled in stable builds of NVDA via a new advanced settings option. Say all in Word now scrolls the view to keep the current position visible. There are lots of improvements when using Office with UIA. One UIA fix is that Outlook now ignores more types of layout tables in messages.
Changes from Beta 2:

- Restored reporting of backspaced characters in Visual Studio editor
- Updates to translations.

 

Read more and download from: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3rc1/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

 

My favorite one-core voice is Zira. She sounds really good at a fast rate.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Jujube
Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recommendations for NVDA voice

 

Hi, Have you tried some of the other OneCore voices including Zira or mark? They may or may not sound better to you. Otherwise, you could try the Eloquence/Vocalizer addon and see if any of that stuff suits you better. It costs money though, but you can trial it for a weekb before buying. Also, how fast is your speech rate? If you use faster speech rates, most of the other OneCore voices sound significantly better at high speech rates than David, as well as Eloquence and possibly some of the Vocalizer voices. Hope this helps.

 

> On Dec 1, 2021, at 7:51 AM, Mani Iyer via groups.io <mani.g.iyer@...> wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am profoundly deaf and wear hearing aids. I  am currently using Microsoft’s David's voice. But this voice lacks clarity of certain consonants for my hearing and I find myself resorting to phonetic spelling a lot. Do you have any recommendation for a ‘clear’ voice under which which speech synthesizer would possibly help me. ?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Warmly,

> Mani

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA with Windows Mail

 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 10:42 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
On a more generic level, is it necessary to know if you are in browse mode or focus mode? If so, under what circumstances?
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Well, it certainly can be, if you accidentally shift from one to the other when you want to be in whatever one you're not in.  NVDA, like JAWS and other screen readers, auto switches between the modes, particularly when browsing the web, as you land on things that require you to be in one mode or the other to use them as they're generally intended to be used.

Focus mode is what's commonly necessary for any field that requires data entry.  Browse mode is most common otherwise, where you want something read, but you're not able to interact with it otherwise.  You can toggle between browse and focus modes with NVDA + Spacebar, and there is a sound associated with each, and I won't attempt to describe them, as it's easier just to land in a fillable field, where you should automatically get the "typewriter-ish" sound for focus mode when you land in it, and if you hit NVDA + Spacebar, you'll get the sound that indicates browse mode is back on again while you are still sitting in that edit box.  You can also hit Escape if you have been auto-switched to focus mode to toggle back to browse mode.

It's difficult to come up with any generic example of where you might need to manually toggle between browse and focus modes, but they do exist.

I despise the Windows 10 Mail client myself, so I can't be of any real help there.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 


Re: microsoft store and virtual cursor

Mohammed Al Shara
 

Hi. I know about object navigation and tabbing around that do work, however a lot of the content that's not a form field gets lost. reading discription or anything textual is hard.

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