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Bhavya interview Pt 2, and In-Process both out today

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out and you can find it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-3rd-december-2021/

This week we've got news on the NVDA 2021.3 Release Candidate, a spotlight on using the Microsoft Store, and info on Bhavya Shah, from India to the USA part 2, which also came out today.

You can find the interview here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/bhavya-shah-from-india-to-the-usa-part-2/  As with the first part, the page includes both the video, and a text transcript.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Ikrami
 

Have you tried bookworm? It is a free, open-source, fully accessible and efficient e-book reader designed for the blind by the blind. Check it here:

 

https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 

I am interested on that to.

Bookworm looks good but its only a beta so who knows.

With codex out of the picture for a supported software package anyway I may have to get another backup.



On 3/12/2021 8:48 pm, cisco wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Should the classic windows executable of Thorium be downloaded, or is the Windows Store version accessible as well?

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

cisco
 

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Should the classic windows executable of Thorium be downloaded, or is the Windows Store version accessible as well?

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


Re: LibreOffice?

Quentin Christensen
 

No, you didn't anger me at all!  I'm sorry if my response came across that way, I think something might have been lost in translation along the way.  Your questions are perfectly good questions and definitely acceptable here.

I admit I didn't go back and check our previous conversation before replying, but by simply answering the questions with as much detail as possible, I figured it might help anyone else who comes along and finds the question in the group.

Do please feel encouraged to download LibreOffice and give it a go: https://www.libreoffice.org/

And let us know how you find it and anything you get stuck with.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:44 PM Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...> wrote:
Okay, Sir. I get the impression that this message angered you but I don't understand why. As I said, I don't remember exactly what we talked, though I am aware that we had a conversation about this topic. Of course I'm referring to the legal version of Eloquence TTS. However, I don't have a Microsoft Office subscription yet. I'm learning to use NVDA little by little. Please do not forget that I'm completely new to this. For this reason, I thought every single question made sense.
I sincerely apologize to you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:


- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice

- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.


The last one (paraphrased):

- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice


Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  


If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



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Training and Support Manager


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Re: LibreOffice?

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Okay, Sir. I get the impression that this message angered you but I don't understand why. As I said, I don't remember exactly what we talked, though I am aware that we had a conversation about this topic. Of course I'm referring to the legal version of Eloquence TTS. However, I don't have a Microsoft Office subscription yet. I'm learning to use NVDA little by little. Please do not forget that I'm completely new to this. For this reason, I thought every single question made sense.
I sincerely apologize to you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:


- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice

- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.


The last one (paraphrased):

- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice


Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  


If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www..nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: LibreOffice?

Quentin Christensen
 

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:

- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice
- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.

The last one (paraphrased):
- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice

Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  

If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...> wrote:
Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


LibreOffice?

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 


Well just learned from github that codex is no longer developed.

Not only that but jscholes.net is offline so version 2.1.1 is the last version of thhis nice converter though you can still get it though its unsupported so I am now in the market for a good  calibre frontend which is like it if I should ever need it.

For those that give a damn, if you go to www.keybase.pub/shauneve you will be able to download codex 2.11 which is the last compiled version of this as it would be a shame to lose it completely.

What I like about this is it uses the powerfull calibre engine to convert books, remove drm and a few other things.

If only I knew that the thing was going away I would have pulled any later versions.

James scholes has been offline since 2019 or there abouts.


On 3/12/2021 10:16 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

John Isige
 

If by "hard books pages" you mean physical books, you need a scanner, and something that will do OCR, optical character recognition.


On 12/2/2021 7:31 PM, udit pandey wrote:
is there any ebook converter which can convert my hard books pages into very accessible way in word or daisy formait so fs reader or ms word can work on it and nvda can read it properly

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 02:47, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












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Training and Support Manager



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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

udit pandey
 

is there any ebook converter which can convert my hard books pages into very accessible way in word or daisy formait so fs reader or ms word can work on it and nvda can read it properly


On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 02:47, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












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Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Louise Pfau
 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 02:53 PM, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
the voice I thought was cool was microsoft james, but i don't recommend it to you, she still doesn't have a very clear pronunciation
I also had a hard time understanding the English and Australian voices because I'm not used to the accents.

Louise


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

JM Casey
 

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hello NVDA,
This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
2. Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
or knowledge concerning this issue.
3. Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
and read on iPhone.
4. Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.

Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
requires one to have an eBook reader.

Thanks for comment(s) in advance.


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Jackie
 

Thanks for that 1! This ebook reader has come a long way. I hav QRead,
but have had to revert to the 3.1 version because the 3.2 version
wouldn't save position. The fact that this is free is also a huge
plus, though having thus said, I'll be in contact to donate if I find
I like it as much as I think I will.

On 12/2/21, mystragical@... <mystragical@...> wrote:
Try bookworm from BlindPandas. It's the best reading app in my opinion, for
NVDA users.
https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm
It can be also found at:
https://getbookworm.com/





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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

mystragical@...
 

Try bookworm from BlindPandas. It's the best reading app in my opinion, for NVDA users. 
https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm
It can be also found at:
https://getbookworm.com/


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Gene
 

That may be but in the small amount of comparison I’ve done, Edge is better.
Its better in the small amount of comparison I’ve done than Firefox as wwell.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA
 

Chrome has done a good job of reading pdfs to.

 

 

On 3/12/2021 6:20 am, Gene wrote:
Edge can read PDF files but it doesn’t read epub. 
 
I’m not recommending this program because I don’t know what other programs are available, but I use balabolka to open epub files.  I then select the text and copy it to the clipboard and paste it into Notepad.  I want my books as text files. 
 
Reading epub files in balabolka itself may not be a good option.  I don’t know about other browsers, but read to end or say all, I believe is the actual term used  by NVDA developers, stops at the end of each paragraph.  You can have the program read itself, using MSAPI voices but if you don’t have one you like, you won’t be satisfied.  Plus, you lose all the screen-reader dictionary entries you have made when using the program to read.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Isige
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2021 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA
 
I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author
will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works
pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the
formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB
files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most
browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR
them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't
restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't
own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible
and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle
unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or
whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not
hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>





Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 

AAh yeah codex.

How could I have forgotten.

Shows you how often I have needed to read epub books.

Codex converts the books just fine and is what I use as my primary unit.

True I need to keep calibre updated but hay.

On 3/12/2021 6:33 am, Chris Smart wrote:
You said:
I forget the software, but I have an ebook converter that uses calibre and which I use for epub books but I can't remember what it is.

That would be Codex 2 from James Schols. I probably butchered the spelling of his last name. Sorry James.





Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Chris Smart
 

You said:
I forget the software, but I have an ebook converter that uses calibre and which I use for epub books but I can't remember what it is.

That would be Codex 2 from James Schols. I probably butchered the spelling of his last name. Sorry James.


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Chris Smart
 

I use QRead on the PC.

and the Kindle and Books apps on my iPhone. Oh the Voice Dream Reader app on my phone as well.

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