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Re: NVDA Portable Start

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

You need a space between the CD and the backslash like this

Cd c:\ etc.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: 28 November 2021 01:43
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start

Here's the batch file; only three lines:

@echo off
cd\nvda211
NVDA.exe

This is my second try. First try did not have the cd command but just said:

@echo off
nvda211\NVDA.exe

Of course, that batch file is in the root of the thumb drive.

When I start NVDA using the Batch file, the (assumed) title bar says:

C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe


The rest of the screen appears to be blank.

Howard


On 11/27/2021 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
How is NVDA invoked in that batch file? And by that I mean please
copy and paste the line from the batch file that fires up NVDA.

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Re: LibreOffice?

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Libre office is a suite of productivity programs, not an antivirus application.  Like Open Office, It uses the  graphic user interface, similar to what was used in earlier versions of microsoft office prior to Office 2007 which introduced the ribbon interface. To my knowledge, NVDA supports both Libre Office Writer, and Libre Office Calc. Your screen reader will not have any problems with it.   I'll post the keyboard shortcuts for each of these applications when I return from the road later today. 


Tony

Tony

On 12/2/2021 11:35 PM, Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:
Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 

On that note I wander if easy converter express can convert epub to other formats.

I have this and office so I can convert everything to doc but really its a 2 step thing doc then text, hmph.



On 4/12/2021 12:59 am, Ikrami wrote:

Have you tried bookworm? It is a free, open-source, fully accessible and efficient e-book reader designed for the blind by the blind. Check it here:

 

https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Not yet but my plan is to try to maybe review some of these later on.

Of course weather I will do this before christmas is another thing.

What may happen is that on christmas day or one of those dead days  I will probably do a podcast.

Christmas day is at my place and only in the evening.

So chances are since it is christmas I will not be going to the gym as I usually do on a saturday.

Being its my own personal gym but even so.

Anyway who knows.

I'll note it down.

What I really want is a good ebook converter, ie epub, to htm, text, etc mobi, etc.

Pdf I have plenty of converters but even so I'd like one.

Calibre is a good software package to use but the codex frontend just makes it a lot better.

Its just a pitty no one works on it.

What needs to happen is someone other than me can find the old site james had with the latest compiled version, I'd do it but forget where on wayback I should look and somehow preserve it so at least we can still use that version.

I like codex for its ease of use to convert the books to something else I can read, like text or something.



On 4/12/2021 12:59 am, Ikrami wrote:

Have you tried bookworm? It is a free, open-source, fully accessible and efficient e-book reader designed for the blind by the blind. Check it here:

 

https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

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eBook Readers with NVDA

David Russell
 

Hello All,

I will probably choose between the iPhone, Bookworm, and Scribbed
after reading through the responses you graciously provided.
I'm not as tech savvy as some, so simple is desired.
I tend to steer clear of Amazon for personal reasons as an author and
reader. Thus I am not going to choose Kindle. I found GooglePlay
usable with NVDA and eBooks, but only my Google Smart Speaker if the
book is audio.
The anthology I am interested in is published to Amazon, SmashWords,
Apple, Kobo, and Barnes and Noble. The plan is to add more venues
later.
Authors on SmashWords again, seem to be choosing between EPUB, Moby
and perhaps a third as format choice. Finding PDF, HTML, or plain text
is becoming rare. Thanks again and happy holidays to all!

David

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Re: LibreOffice?

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Never mind, Quentin. I'll give it a try.
God bless you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:53
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

No, you didn't anger me at all!  I'm sorry if my response came across that way, I think something might have been lost in translation along the way.  Your questions are perfectly good questions and definitely acceptable here.


I admit I didn't go back and check our previous conversation before replying, but by simply answering the questions with as much detail as possible, I figured it might help anyone else who comes along and finds the question in the group.


Do please feel encouraged to download LibreOffice and give it a go: https://www.libreoffice.org/


And let us know how you find it and anything you get stuck with.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:44 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Okay, Sir. I get the impression that this message angered you but I don't understand why. As I said, I don't remember exactly what we talked, though I am aware that we had a conversation about this topic. Of course I'm referring to the legal version of Eloquence TTS. However, I don't have a Microsoft Office subscription yet. I'm learning to use NVDA little by little. Please do not forget that I'm completely new to this. For this reason, I thought every single question made sense.
I sincerely apologize to you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:


- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice

- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.


The last one (paraphrased):

- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice


Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  


If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



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Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Steve Nutt
 

Well I always recommend turning Fastboot off anyway, it tends to corrupt what’s in memory.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Artin Dekker
Sent: 27 November 2021 18:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

 

Hello everyone,

 

Has anyone ever found a solution for this? I have a new laptop with Windows 10 20H2 and NVDA 2021.2 and run into the same problem.

 

Kind Regarts,

Artin Dekker


On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 02:06 PM, Kostadin Kolev wrote:

Hello all,

I've noticed this strange behavior after the update of Windows 10 to version 1803. The behavior is the following. When the machine starts and Windows 10 loads, it gets to the lock screen as it should. Initially it all looks normal, but only for a while. Moments after that, the lock screen displays not only the time and date as it normally does, but user-specific information as well (e.g. weather forecast, upcoming alarms, etc.). Not only that, but the NVDA startup sound is heard, as if the desktop copy of NVDA is loaded, even though it should load only when the specific user signs in. I can't tell for sure if the desktop copy of NVDA loads, because my NVDA settings for the desktop and secure screen copies of it are the same. On top of that, the "Ease of access" menu appears and NVDA starts reading its menu items one by one. This happens when I power up the machine with "Fast Boot" enabled. I haven't tried with "Fast Boot" disabled, but when I restart the machine, the behavior described above does not occur. So, it must be related to "Fast Boot" somehow. And this did not occur before the update to version 1803 of Windows 10.

Has anyone else experienced the behavior described above? Have you found any solutions besides turning off "Fast Boot"? Turning off "Fast Boot" is also a solution, but I'd prefer to keep it on if possible.

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


 

 


Bhavya interview Pt 2, and In-Process both out today

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process is out and you can find it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-3rd-december-2021/

This week we've got news on the NVDA 2021.3 Release Candidate, a spotlight on using the Microsoft Store, and info on Bhavya Shah, from India to the USA part 2, which also came out today.

You can find the interview here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/bhavya-shah-from-india-to-the-usa-part-2/  As with the first part, the page includes both the video, and a text transcript.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Ikrami
 

Have you tried bookworm? It is a free, open-source, fully accessible and efficient e-book reader designed for the blind by the blind. Check it here:

 

https://github.com/blindpandas/bookworm

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Friday, December 3, 2021 12:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 

I am interested on that to.

Bookworm looks good but its only a beta so who knows.

With codex out of the picture for a supported software package anyway I may have to get another backup.



On 3/12/2021 8:48 pm, cisco wrote:

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Should the classic windows executable of Thorium be downloaded, or is the Windows Store version accessible as well?

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

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Training and Support Manager

 


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

cisco
 

Hello Quentin and all,

 

Should the classic windows executable of Thorium be downloaded, or is the Windows Store version accessible as well?

 

Thanks for any answer.

 

Best regards.

Francisco.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 2, 2021 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

 

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

 

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>










 

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Re: LibreOffice?

Quentin Christensen
 

No, you didn't anger me at all!  I'm sorry if my response came across that way, I think something might have been lost in translation along the way.  Your questions are perfectly good questions and definitely acceptable here.

I admit I didn't go back and check our previous conversation before replying, but by simply answering the questions with as much detail as possible, I figured it might help anyone else who comes along and finds the question in the group.

Do please feel encouraged to download LibreOffice and give it a go: https://www.libreoffice.org/

And let us know how you find it and anything you get stuck with.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 4:44 PM Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...> wrote:
Okay, Sir. I get the impression that this message angered you but I don't understand why. As I said, I don't remember exactly what we talked, though I am aware that we had a conversation about this topic. Of course I'm referring to the legal version of Eloquence TTS. However, I don't have a Microsoft Office subscription yet. I'm learning to use NVDA little by little. Please do not forget that I'm completely new to this. For this reason, I thought every single question made sense.
I sincerely apologize to you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:


- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice

- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.


The last one (paraphrased):

- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice


Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  


If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



--

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Training and Support Manager


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Training: https://www..nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: LibreOffice?

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Okay, Sir. I get the impression that this message angered you but I don't understand why. As I said, I don't remember exactly what we talked, though I am aware that we had a conversation about this topic. Of course I'm referring to the legal version of Eloquence TTS. However, I don't have a Microsoft Office subscription yet. I'm learning to use NVDA little by little. Please do not forget that I'm completely new to this. For this reason, I thought every single question made sense.
I sincerely apologize to you.


----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, December 02, 2021 23:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice?

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:


- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice

- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.


The last one (paraphrased):

- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice


Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  


If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez wrote:

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www..nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: LibreOffice?

Quentin Christensen
 

LibreOffice is a free alternative to Microsoft Office.  So the first couple of questions actually don't apply:

- The Antivirus you use would be the same across the computer.  Any anti-virus which works on your PC should be just fine with LibreOffice
- By Eloquence I hope you are referring to the legal version.  In any case, the synthesizer simply reads whatever text NVDA passes to it.  So if something won't read in LibreOffice, it is likely because that feature is not accessible, and it won't matter what synthesizer you use.

The last one (paraphrased):
- Are all the functions and features from Microsoft Office available in LibreOffice

Is the key question.  The majority of features of Microsoft Office are available in LibreOffice.  There likely are some which aren't, but most will be.  The key considering however, is that not all of the features are as accessible as the equivalent features in Microsoft Office are.  Again, many are, but some may not be.  

If you currently have a Microsoft Office subscription, I would recommend trying LibreOffice and deciding whether it works for what you need before your Microsoft subscription runs out, so you can make an informed decision as to whether to continue it or not.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 3:35 PM Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...> wrote:
Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


LibreOffice?

Viris g. Rodríguez <vgr.09.15@...>
 

Hello everybody. I think somebody mentioned LibreOffice a couple weeks ago. Mr. Quentin told me he was not sure as to whether the commands were the same as the ones used in Microsoft or something like that. I honestly don't remember pretty well.
If someone has used LibreOffice with NVDA, I would really appreciate any information. Is there an antivirus for this software?
Is Eloquence TTS compatible with it?
Are all the Microsoft functions and features available?
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely.


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

 


Well just learned from github that codex is no longer developed.

Not only that but jscholes.net is offline so version 2.1.1 is the last version of thhis nice converter though you can still get it though its unsupported so I am now in the market for a good  calibre frontend which is like it if I should ever need it.

For those that give a damn, if you go to www.keybase.pub/shauneve you will be able to download codex 2.11 which is the last compiled version of this as it would be a shame to lose it completely.

What I like about this is it uses the powerfull calibre engine to convert books, remove drm and a few other things.

If only I knew that the thing was going away I would have pulled any later versions.

James scholes has been offline since 2019 or there abouts.


On 3/12/2021 10:16 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

John Isige
 

If by "hard books pages" you mean physical books, you need a scanner, and something that will do OCR, optical character recognition.


On 12/2/2021 7:31 PM, udit pandey wrote:
is there any ebook converter which can convert my hard books pages into very accessible way in word or daisy formait so fs reader or ms word can work on it and nvda can read it properly

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 02:47, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
hope that you all are safe with your family,
 udit
follow me on instagram: udit@pandey123
mail me on gmail at udit52805@...
or outlook me at uditpandey6474@outlook
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Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

udit pandey
 

is there any ebook converter which can convert my hard books pages into very accessible way in word or daisy formait so fs reader or ms word can work on it and nvda can read it properly


On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 02:47, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
hope that you all are safe with your family,
 udit
follow me on instagram: udit@pandey123
mail me on gmail at udit52805@...
or outlook me at uditpandey6474@outlook
we should not never speak bad, we should never see bad, and we should never lisson bad


Re: eBook Readers with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Thorium Reader is another option: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/

(It gets a mention in this week's In-Process which is out later today)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 5:13 AM JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:
Edge can probably read epub files with a plugin,b ut not natively. I've tried a few plugins for both chromium and firefox and there seem to be accessibility issues with many of them. I just use various tools to convert to .txt file for the most part. Qread can do this but it scrambles character encoding sometimes, rending things like quotation marks and accents a whole lot of nonsense characters on my braille display.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: December 2, 2021 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] eBook Readers with NVDA

I use QRead myself, but lots of people don't like it because the author will abandon things for long periods of time. Still, for me, it works pretty well, I haven't found another program that reads all of the formats it does. But you do have other options. Edge can read .EPUB files, I'm pretty sure, and lots of things can read PDFs nowadays, most browsers for example. If they won't come up as text you'll have to OCR them with something anyway, in order to read them.


I've never gotten Calibre to do much of anything. Personally I wouldn't restrict myself to something like the iPhone, not only because I don't own one, but also because then you're stuck with whatever Apple has.
There are lots of books that aren't in Apple's format.


Another option you didn't mention is Kindle for PC. This is accessible and works well with NVDA, so much so that I signed up for Kindle unlimited. There's also Bookshare, and NLS if you're in the US, or whatever library service you've got in your country, in case you're not hooked up with something like that.


On 12/2/2021 11:05 AM, David Russell wrote:
> Hello NVDA,
> This post is about eBook accessibility options with NVDA.
> Please comment on which may be the best alternative for one without
> vision, using NVDA to work with an acquired eBook reader?
> 1. QRead, is a pay-for product, designed by a blind user, Chris Toth.
> 2.  Calibre Reader, formerly used by the customer service rep at my
> regional Library Service for the Blind. However, she is sighted. She
> could not offer specifics. Her blind colleague has limited experience
> or knowledge concerning this issue.
> 3.  Forego the first two options, purchase eBooks from Apple Bookstore
> and read on iPhone.
> 4.  Get a paid subscription to use Scribde with NVDA screen reader.
>
> Previously, I have published and purchased a couple other books on
> SmashWords. However, authors are opting for less readily accessible
> means (Adobe PDF, TXT, or HTML) for one who purchases and read titles.
> More so, formats becoming standard are Moby and or ePub. Hence, this
> requires one to have an eBook reader.
>
> Thanks for comment(s) in advance.
>












--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: Recommendations for NVDA voice

Louise Pfau
 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 02:53 PM, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
the voice I thought was cool was microsoft james, but i don't recommend it to you, she still doesn't have a very clear pronunciation
I also had a hard time understanding the English and Australian voices because I'm not used to the accents.

Louise

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