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Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

 

Yeah I've been there.

Its why I stopped messing round with vmware software when lockdown started.

If it fails well put it this way when its needed well.

One thing you can try is to go to nvda preffs and make sure the mouse mode is not active.

I think its called mouse tracking, now if thats off no problem.

I do use the mouse on some mainstream programs to click buttons but never on my wrig unless I need it.

No idea why the mouse should move but since you can knock it about easily enough that may actually be it.

The other thing is never to leave the system in a program like mail, a website, etc that autorefreshes or has updated content and that could be it to.

Turning off your speakers while away may help to.

On 6/12/2021 10:42 pm, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Shaun Everiss's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 04:10:


Hi Shaun, thanks a lot for your suggestions and detailed help.


I guess it is too much for me. I'm living alone, totally blind and I have no eyes to help if something will go wrong... and PC is too much important to me now, to wait for somebody's help. :)

I'll keep your ideas for the future when I will have some assistance.


Best regards.

Gabe.





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Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Dan Beaver
 

I am using MS David.  could be the issue since it pronounces many things incorrectly but not certain how to determine this.  Will have to try some other synths.


Dan Beaver.

On 12/6/2021 11:44 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it works here for me. It says “blind tech” without a dictionary entry. What synth are you using? I’m using eloquence.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

Hi Gene,

 

I thought about that and did check it and triple checked it. 

 

This occurs in the subject of emails from the blind tech mailing list.  I looked and it is showing up exactly as I typed it.  I checked the case of letters, made sure there weren't spaces in the string and other things.

 

The other instances of bracketed strings I have entries for are from other mailing lists and they work perfectly but this one does not.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/5/2021 4:16 PM, Gene wrote:

where does this text occur?  Can you chec it, or have you, for spelling and punctuation?  There is probably something in the way it is written that differs from how you are writing it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

I have tried adding a dictionary entry for "[blind-t]" and gave "blind tech" as the replacement string.  I have added this to the default and the voice dictionaries.  NVDA still pronounces "[blind-t]" as though it doesn't see my dictionary entries.

 

I also set case sensitivity to unchecked and type to anywhere and whole word.

 

I am running the latest RC and am running Windows [Version 10.0.19043.1348].

 

Any ideas why NVDA won't recognize that I have a dictionary entry for this?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: File Explorer woes

Sarah k Alawami
 

The windows explore is a tree view. Use arrows to navigate the left, the tab to get between everything, do not use f6, it is although handy not sudable for this purpose. Also, when in the list view, hit control shift numrow 6 for detailed view this way you can in the list view navigate to the columns of information you can get from the explorer. I got the hang of the explorer when I used win 10 in 2017 in about maybe 2-3 days of Just practice. Do not use object nav, it is not necessary. This is a lot, but you should be ok. If not feel free to take this  up on the chat list as to me this could devolve into a chat topic if we are not careful.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] File Explorer woes

 

Hello all,

As a newbie, I am struggling to use File Explorer on Windows 10. I tried to follow the Microsoft support guide on ‘Using the Screen Reader to navigate File Explorer’ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-file-explorer-in-windows-e7d3a548-87dd-459f-a991-9fde3f7ce927#PickTab=Windows_10 ) and it has not been helpful at all. Here are my questions:

 

1) Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?

2) If the answer to 1) is yes, is there a rule as to when one should use tabs, arrow keys, F6 etc.? Are there general rules with these keys in any kind of navigation using the Windows shortcut keys?

3) If the answer to 1) is no, how can NVDA help me here? I tried object navigation and it led me nowhere.

4) Do you think I need sighted help to tell me the layout of the File Explorer to better understand it

5) I am comfortable in using the console for all my file needs but in some cases it can get cumbersome typing all those commands. Is the cmd the only resort for the blind community?

 

If there are better resources than the above Microsoft Support document, I would appreciate that. 

 

Thank you and forgive me for the long email.

Warmly,

mani

 

 


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually if you use netlogger you might not have this issue. I do not and I run nets, or used to until my shack got flooded. It pulls from the QRZ database but that's for a different list, pm me for more info.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)


Reply to Sarah k Alawami's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 05:24:
I've had this happen especially if I'm hooked up to a networked computer and am copying something. Is that the case in your situation?
Ciao Sarah and thanks for reply.

Nope. The PC is connected to the internet but when this happens it is doing nothing.

It happens often when I left the focus on Thunderbird and sometime on a desktop icon.


I often use a software to log my amateur radio contact, for instance, it
has lots of input field controls where you must enter some text or data
and pass over by pressing tab. I often leave the NVDA focus over one of
these fields and there nothing happens, as it should be.

But, If I typed something within a text field then I wait for some
time... What I typed gets selected.

I'm not sure if it is a wanted behaviour or just something comes from
the O.S. By the way I'm pretty sure it is not ok.


Best regards.

Gabe.


Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it works here for me. It says “blind tech” without a dictionary entry. What synth are you using? I’m using eloquence.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

Hi Gene,

 

I thought about that and did check it and triple checked it. 

 

This occurs in the subject of emails from the blind tech mailing list.  I looked and it is showing up exactly as I typed it.  I checked the case of letters, made sure there weren't spaces in the string and other things.

 

The other instances of bracketed strings I have entries for are from other mailing lists and they work perfectly but this one does not.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/5/2021 4:16 PM, Gene wrote:

where does this text occur?  Can you chec it, or have you, for spelling and punctuation?  There is probably something in the way it is written that differs from how you are writing it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

I have tried adding a dictionary entry for "[blind-t]" and gave "blind tech" as the replacement string.  I have added this to the default and the voice dictionaries.  NVDA still pronounces "[blind-t]" as though it doesn't see my dictionary entries.

 

I also set case sensitivity to unchecked and type to anywhere and whole word.

 

I am running the latest RC and am running Windows [Version 10.0.19043.1348].

 

Any ideas why NVDA won't recognize that I have a dictionary entry for this?

 

Thanks.

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: File Explorer woes

 

Mani,

Are you new to Windows, period?   I only ask because File Explorer has not changed significantly for a very long time now, and if you knew how to use it before virtually everything you already knew should carry over.

There is absolutely no reason, in general, to use Object Navigation in File Explorer.  It is entirely accessible via "the more usual means."

I am not quite sure what you're asking with, "Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?"  As a broad, general answer it's, "Yes."  There are few, if any, screen reader specific commands used for File Explorer.  It behaves similarly, using standard Windows Shortcuts (which include TAB and SHIFT + TAB, among others) regardless of the screen reader you are using or whether a screen reader is in use at all (although most sighted people have no idea about those keyboard shortcuts - they're way more likely to point and click).

It would help if you could give a short list of what you can't do that you want to be able to do in File Explorer.  This is such a fundamental component of Windows that it's generally taught as part of a "Windows for Newbies" class of training, which is why I asked if you are competely new to Windows.

I would also strongly advise you to consider joining the Windows Access for Screen Reader Users Group if you are new to Windows.  The questions it appears you are most likely to ask really aren't about the screen reader, any screen reader, but about accessing Windows components, in this case File Explorer, with Windows keyboard shortcuts/commands.

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File Explorer woes

Mani Iyer
 

Hello all,
As a newbie, I am struggling to use File Explorer on Windows 10. I tried to follow the Microsoft support guide on ‘Using the Screen Reader to navigate File Explorer’ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-file-explorer-in-windows-e7d3a548-87dd-459f-a991-9fde3f7ce927#PickTab=Windows_10 ) and it has not been helpful at all. Here are my questions:

1) Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?
2) If the answer to 1) is yes, is there a rule as to when one should use tabs, arrow keys, F6 etc.? Are there general rules with these keys in any kind of navigation using the Windows shortcut keys?
3) If the answer to 1) is no, how can NVDA help me here? I tried object navigation and it led me nowhere.
4) Do you think I need sighted help to tell me the layout of the File Explorer to better understand it
5) I am comfortable in using the console for all my file needs but in some cases it can get cumbersome typing all those commands. Is the cmd the only resort for the blind community?
 
If there are better resources than the above Microsoft Support document, I would appreciate that. 

Thank you and forgive me for the long email.

Warmly,
mani



Re: NVDA not always reading cell contents in MS Excel?

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Well, that's a tidy work around. Thank you!
Warmly,
Sally 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:31 PM Louis Maher <ljmaher03@...> wrote:

Hello Sally,

 

This problem comes up periodically.  You can try unchecking the box which says “allow editing directly in cells”.  In Excel 365, do this:

Open an Excel spreadsheet. 

Type alt + f. Up arrow to options, hit enter. Down arrow to advanced. Tab until you find the box which says “allow editing directly in cells. Uncheck that

box. Shift + Tab until you reach OK. Hit enter.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not always reading cell contents in MS Excel?

 

Hello all,

 

Normally, I can press F2 on a cel in MS Excel and NVDA will allow me to read and edit the cell contents. Today, this has stopped working. In a spreadsheet I've been using for a week with no problems, I now cannot hear any cell contents after pressing F2. The contents are there and if I make edits and hit enter I can read my edits.However, this is not sufficient for editing prose. 

 

I'm running:

 

 

NVDA 2021.2

Microsoft® Excel® 2019 MSO (16.0.10380.20037) 64-bit 

Windows 10 Pro: Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.1348)

 

Any ideas? 

 

Thank you!

Sally 


Re: Nvda and Libreoffice

David Goldfield
 

Hello. From NVDA's Document Settings ensure that Cell Coordinates is checked.
Once I did this NVDA 2021.3 RC 1 identified the cell reference of Calc 7.2.3.


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Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jarek.Krcmar
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 8:20 AM
To: Nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Nvda and Libreoffice

Hello everyone,

I am an user of LibreOffice. Since Version 7.2.3 Nvda doesn't in the Libre Calc say the fields A1, B1, etc.

I don't know, where is an error.

Do you have an idea, please?

--
Jarek


Nvda and Libreoffice

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Hello everyone,

I am an user of LibreOffice. Since Version 7.2.3 Nvda doesn't in the Libre Calc say the fields A1, B1, etc.

I don't know, where is an error.

Do you have an idea, please?

--
Jarek


Re: NVDA not always reading cell contents in MS Excel?

Louis Maher
 

Hello Sally,

 

This problem comes up periodically.  You can try unchecking the box which says “allow editing directly in cells”.  In Excel 365, do this:

Open an Excel spreadsheet. 

Type alt + f. Up arrow to options, hit enter. Down arrow to advanced. Tab until you find the box which says “allow editing directly in cells. Uncheck that

box. Shift + Tab until you reach OK. Hit enter.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 3:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not always reading cell contents in MS Excel?

 

Hello all,

 

Normally, I can press F2 on a cel in MS Excel and NVDA will allow me to read and edit the cell contents. Today, this has stopped working. In a spreadsheet I've been using for a week with no problems, I now cannot hear any cell contents after pressing F2. The contents are there and if I make edits and hit enter I can read my edits.However, this is not sufficient for editing prose. 

 

I'm running:

 

 

NVDA 2021.2

Microsoft® Excel® 2019 MSO (16.0.10380.20037) 64-bit 

Windows 10 Pro: Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.1348)

 

Any ideas? 

 

Thank you!

Sally 


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Giles Turnbull's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 15:46:


Ciao Giles and thank you for your report.

Yes, I used Win10 since 2018 and till about 1 mounth ago.

And no, it never happened under Win10, it is totally new to me.

The other program I installed more or less in the same period this bug appears, it was HeartStone from Blizzard, but it could be a simple coincidence.


I agree with you, if it is something coming fron Asus, I'll change it and no more Asus computer in the life. You loved it, I don't. I found this Asus pretty fragile, with problem on dissipating warm. And, moreover, even it runs an I7 with 16GB ram, I found it too much slow.

I'm thinking to have a glance at DEL, for next one.


Best regards. Gabe.


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Sarah k Alawami's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 05:24:
I've had this happen especially if I'm hooked up to a networked computer and am copying something. Is that the case in your situation?
Ciao Sarah and thanks for reply.

Nope. The PC is connected to the internet but when this happens it is doing nothing.

It happens often when I left the focus on Thunderbird and sometime on a desktop icon.


I often use a software to log my amateur radio contact, for instance, it has lots of input field controls where you must enter some text or data and pass over by pressing tab. I often leave the NVDA focus over one of these fields and there nothing happens, as it should be.

But, If I typed something within a text field then I wait for some time... What I typed gets selected.

I'm not sure if it is a wanted behaviour or just something comes from the O.S. By the way I'm pretty sure it is not ok.


Best regards.

Gabe.


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Gene's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 04:32:

Ciao Gene, no, Screensaver is out from the game. :)

Anyway, thank you a lot for reply and suggestion.

Best regards.

Gabe.


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Shaun Everiss's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 04:10:


Hi Shaun, thanks a lot for your suggestions and detailed help.


I guess it is too much for me. I'm living alone, totally blind and I have no eyes to help if something will go wrong... and PC is too much important to me now, to wait for somebody's help. :)

I'll keep your ideas for the future when I will have some assistance.


Best regards.

Gabe.


NVDA not always reading cell contents in MS Excel?

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all,

Normally, I can press F2 on a cel in MS Excel and NVDA will allow me to read and edit the cell contents. Today, this has stopped working. In a spreadsheet I've been using for a week with no problems, I now cannot hear any cell contents after pressing F2. The contents are there and if I make edits and hit enter I can read my edits.However, this is not sufficient for editing prose. 

I'm running:


NVDA 2021.2
Microsoft® Excel® 2019 MSO (16.0.10380.20037) 64-bit 
Windows 10 Pro: Version 2004 (OS Build 19041.1348)

Any ideas? 

Thank you!
Sally 


Re: NVDA2022.1 news

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Eduardo,

We haven't released NVDA 2021.3 yet!  But yes, we are already planning what will be going in to NVDA 2022.1.

If you are not familiar with the release candidate for NVDA 2021.3, that is the first place to start: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3rc1/

There are lots of exciting things coming in NVDA 2021.3.  There is a "snapshots" page with alpha builds, which themselves contain what's new files which get updated as things get fixed and added, but for now, nothing is finalized in those builds.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 4:04 PM Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> wrote:
hi friends, i heard that NVDA 2022.1 is running, is this true? if so, i would like to know what will be new... i know it's too strenuous for that, but if you don't want to talk, i'll understand!


sorry for the translation errors



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Bengali / Bangla translator wanted

Quentin Christensen
 

Good afternoon,

As we all know, one of NVDA's strengths has always been the community, and worldwide availability.  To that end, I wanted to reach out as we do not have a Bangla / Bengali translation of NVDA.  As one of the most widely spoken languages in the world, we would be interested in addressing this.

As with our other languages, we are looking for a community-minded volunteer  or group of people to first setup the Bengali / Bangla translation, and then to keep the language updated moving forward.  If anyone is interested, or knows anyone, please do let me know.

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager


NVDA2022.1 news

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

hi friends, i heard that NVDA 2022.1 is running, is this true? if so, i would like to know what will be new... i know it's too strenuous for that, but if you don't want to talk, i'll understand!


sorry for the translation errors


Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

And I found two more, now listed above the prior three:

BlindTech-2

 

blindtechnology

 

blind-techies

 

blind-tech-talk / Blind tech talk

 

blind-t

 

I imagine that blind-t is what's got [blind-t] as its prefix.
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