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Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Gene
 

Your screen-reader is saying blind-t correctly.  You evidently want it to say blindtech.  Of course, you may have it do so but that is a completely different list.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.
 

Here you go Brian,


posting 1:

Sender: blind-t@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-t] Another sort of, audible? question

 

 

posting 2:

Sender: blind-t@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-t] iPhone Status Bar

Dan Beaver

On 12/6/2021 12:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Dan,

It would be immensely helpful if you would post two items in relation to this issue:

1. The "From" address of one of the messages that is not being read as you'd like it to be.

2. The full, unaltered, Subject line from the same message.

Post two of each, though the From should be the same, if it's easy enough to do.  This is a problem that's not going to be solved in the abstract and where having concrete, actual examples helps in finding a solution.
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Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Dan Beaver
 

Here you go Brian,


posting 1:

Sender: blind-t@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-t] Another sort of, audible? question



posting 2:

Sender: blind-t@groups.io
Subject: Re: [blind-t] iPhone Status Bar

Dan Beaver

On 12/6/2021 12:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Dan,

It would be immensely helpful if you would post two items in relation to this issue:

1. The "From" address of one of the messages that is not being read as you'd like it to be.

2. The full, unaltered, Subject line from the same message.

Post two of each, though the From should be the same, if it's easy enough to do.  This is a problem that's not going to be solved in the abstract and where having concrete, actual examples helps in finding a solution.
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Re: File Explorer woes

Sarah k Alawami
 

The sad thing is, when I had computer training, I was not taught the difference between windows os keys and screen reader keys. I have a funny story to tell about that but I might put that one on the chat group. Many of us probably even today if we are with a trainer are not taught the difference. Hit alt tab, good, never have I heard of in my years of listening to other trainers, “hit alt tab, this is a windows keyboard shortcut.” Now hit capslock t. This is a screen reader shortcut.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] File Explorer woes

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

as to me this could devolve into a chat topic if we are not careful.

 

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Truthfully, it's already a Chat Subgroup or Windows Access for Screen Reader Users Group topic because it has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA.

This is a classic example of where a question of the type, "How do I use {insert thing here} with NVDA?," is, in actuality, "How do I use {insert thing here} with the keyboard?"   It doesn't matter whether you're using JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, or some other screen reader of which I'm unaware.  Control of File Explorer is entirely "a Windows thing" and your screen reader is simply telling you what's going on.  No screen reader specific commands are ever (or virtually ever, I'm sure someone can pull out some ultra-rare exception) used in working with File Explorer.

I know that there are some members here who very strongly dislike my insistance on being clear about what you're asking about, but just the act of doing that often gets you much closer to the answer, or where you need to seek it.  And it's fairly simple to think about the three levels that you're dealing with, as one of them is almost always the one of clear focus:

1. Windows (or any part of Windows)
2. Your screen reader itself - which is where its commands, configuration, add-ons, and documentation come into the picture
3. The application program the screen reader is being used to access

If what you're asking about falls under categories #1 or #3, it's not a question about your screen reader, and the answers do not depend on which screen reader you use nor even whether you use a screen reader at all, with the very rarest of exceptions.

It only takes a few moments thought to "category sort" and, by extension, know where you should ask the question you're seeking an answer to.
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Re: Configuration Profiles Limitation (Speech Dictionary)

 

Thomas,

The following is not meant to be snarky in any way, but on the whole, no, it doesn't make sense.

Configuration profiles can be set up to either be manually triggered (which is usually the exception) or automatically triggered (more common) when you land in an application.  The things specific to that profile will only apply when that profile is active.

Now, on to what I think you're asking (and I could be wrong):  If you're looking for the same Synth to pronounce the exact same thing differently depending on what application you're in, would only be possible using "clever trickery."  The dictionaries, temporary, default, and voice are separate.  Both the temporary, which vanishes if you restart NVDA and default apply no matter what voice and what app  you're in.  Now, the voice dictionary applies in any app you're in where you happen to use the specific voice, so if you were willing to change voices based upon the application you're currently using, you could limit substitutions to occurring only when that specific voice is in use.  I'm not sure if a change in voice, as opposed to a change in synth, can be made automatic in a profile, but the change in synth can, and you could just make sure you're using a specific voice with that synth for which you created the necessary voice dictionary entries.

I hope this helped, and I hope I've managed to actually get at what you were hoping to do.
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Configuration Profiles Limitation (Speech Dictionary)

Thomas N. Chan
 

Hi all,
I have this particular  thing I want to customize in NVDA.
I want my TTS to read certain things in certain applications when I triggle in configuration profile.
For example, if I am in the putty/command prompt or even reviewing text logs, I want to read, respond or reply as Yes or Y
but when I am in normal webapps like gmail or even reading email in outlook, all these I want them to read as normal reply or respond.
I read the FAQ on github and the following is what it said.
Any changes made to NVDA settings (eg synthesizer, speech rate or punctuation level) are applied to this profile.

What can you all suggest I do in this situation?

I hope all these make sense
Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


Re: File Explorer woes

Mani Iyer
 

Thank you ver much, Sarah.


On Dec 6, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

The windows explore is a tree view. Use arrows to navigate the left, the tab to get between everything, do not use f6, it is although handy not sudable for this purpose. Also, when in the list view, hit control shift numrow 6 for detailed view this way you can in the list view navigate to the columns of information you can get from the explorer. I got the hang of the explorer when I used win 10 in 2017 in about maybe 2-3 days of Just practice. Do not use object nav, it is not necessary. This is a lot, but you should be ok. If not feel free to take this  up on the chat list as to me this could devolve into a chat topic if we are not careful.
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] File Explorer woes
 
Hello all,
As a newbie, I am struggling to use File Explorer on Windows 10. I tried to follow the Microsoft support guide on ‘Using the Screen Reader to navigate File Explorer’ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-file-explorer-in-windows-e7d3a548-87dd-459f-a991-9fde3f7ce927#PickTab=Windows_10 ) and it has not been helpful at all. Here are my questions:
 
1) Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?
2) If the answer to 1) is yes, is there a rule as to when one should use tabs, arrow keys, F6 etc.? Are there general rules with these keys in any kind of navigation using the Windows shortcut keys?
3) If the answer to 1) is no, how can NVDA help me here? I tried object navigation and it led me nowhere.
4) Do you think I need sighted help to tell me the layout of the File Explorer to better understand it
5) I am comfortable in using the console for all my file needs but in some cases it can get cumbersome typing all those commands. Is the cmd the only resort for the blind community?
 
If there are better resources than the above Microsoft Support document, I would appreciate that. 
 
Thank you and forgive me for the long email.
Warmly,
mani
 
 



Re: File Explorer woes

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 01:53 PM, Gene wrote:
I don’t know where you can get good free instruction in Windows basics but what you are asking about fits into that category.
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Indeed.  And material on Windows for Screen Readers is commonly and widely available.  YouTube has scads of videos (actually audio presentations, but the term videos is used for all YouTube media, because there is a video element, even if it's just a place holder graphic) on using specific screen readers with various Microsoft programs and with Windows components such as File Explorer itself.

Training materials from NVAccess are available at the NVAccess Shop Page.  I would presume that the NVDA Basic Training would have to cover certain aspects of Windows, but I have no idea as to what depth.  Gene NZ, the owner and maintainer of accessibilitycentral.net, has many tutorials covering a wide range of subjects, and it looks like some of them deal with Windows basics with a keyboard and screen reader (usually NVDA).

Gene is absolutely right that having training, preferably formal and carefully organized training, in how to use Windows when you are brand new to it is essential because it serves as the foundation for all else in the Windows ecosystem.

I do not know where Mani is located and what services may, or may not, be available to him or her (I'm guessing him) via something akin to what we have here in the Virginia Department for the Blind and the Visually-Impaired (DBVI) but if such exists its well worth seeing if training is available through them if it's something you need.  My typical job is private, one-on-one tutoring with individuals who need to learn how to use a screen reader after having lost their vision, but virtually all of them were computer users prior to having lost the ability to see, so teaching basic Windows concepts very seldom plays into the instruction.  It's generally presumed that they were proficient (for some definition of proficient) computer users in the past, and what the focus is on is learning to use a screen reader.

It's funny how this particular topic is the flip side of what I often deal with as far as field counselors, particularly brand new ones, go.  I'll often be asked if I can teach "just the screen reader" and I have to explain that there's not much one can teach about using a screen reader unless it's being used to access something else.  You may not need to actually teach a single thing about what it's being used to access, but you usually do, even if that's just all the keyboard shortcuts to replace all the prior functions that were "point and click.  Accessibility software has as its reason for being actually gaining access to something else, and you can't ignore whatever that something else may happen to be and focus solely on the screen reader itself when someone's new to a screen reader.

Once they have command of the screen reader, though, they should be able to recognize what are screen reader commands versus what are Windows commands versus what are commands for the application they happen to be using at that moment.  While all three will be in use in a back and forth manner when you use a computer, they are still separate things and knowing which is which makes life much easier when later questions occur, and allows you to isolate what it is you're having trouble with and want to ask about.
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Re: File Explorer woes

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Brian,
Yes, for all practical purposes I am new to Windows. I used Windows in the late 90s and early 2000 and I think it was Windows NT. And  unfortunately I have no memory of it.  
I know that I need to understand the Windows way of accessibility to be able to navigate other Windows components like Settings, etc. That is why I have decided to spend sufficient time getting the hang of it. As for File Explorer, for starters  I would like to be able to pin  certain folders like Documents, Dropbox, some of my private folders etc. off of the navigation pane.  but reached nowhere. I can get them via the search mechanism but want to avoid searching every time.  Later I want to be able to navigate the Settings to be able to customize some of the things like getting rid of screen savers etc.

I will try the other group you mentioned and even the chat within our group. I am sorry but how do I start a chat session?

Thank you.

Warmly,
Mani

 

On Dec 6, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Mani,

Are you new to Windows, period?   I only ask because File Explorer has not changed significantly for a very long time now, and if you knew how to use it before virtually everything you already knew should carry over.

There is absolutely no reason, in general, to use Object Navigation in File Explorer.  It is entirely accessible via "the more usual means."

I am not quite sure what you're asking with, "Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?"  As a broad, general answer it's, "Yes."  There are few, if any, screen reader specific commands used for File Explorer.  It behaves similarly, using standard Windows Shortcuts (which include TAB and SHIFT + TAB, among others) regardless of the screen reader you are using or whether a screen reader is in use at all (although most sighted people have no idea about those keyboard shortcuts - they're way more likely to point and click).

It would help if you could give a short list of what you can't do that you want to be able to do in File Explorer.  This is such a fundamental component of Windows that it's generally taught as part of a "Windows for Newbies" class of training, which is why I asked if you are competely new to Windows.

I would also strongly advise you to consider joining the Windows Access for Screen Reader Users Group if you are new to Windows.  The questions it appears you are most likely to ask really aren't about the screen reader, any screen reader, but about accessing Windows components, in this case File Explorer, with Windows keyboard shortcuts/commands.

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Re: Does anyone know what’s going on with NVDA con

derek riemer
 

Hi all:
We postponed the conference because there were not many topics being submitted. We're going to hold it Jun/Jul/Aug,  hopefully at a time when there are just fewer conflicts with peoples schedules due to holidays.

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 10:36 AM Khalid Anwar <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:
I thought it was going to be this weekend, but I looked on the website for the zoom link and it’s not there.
Has it been cancelled this year?



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Re: File Explorer woes

Gene
 

the kinds of things Brian is talking about are covered in what is called Windows Basics and it is important to learn Windows Basics in an organized manner. 
 
It may be that the instructional material, put out by the NVDA developers, teaches Windows basics as a part of the instruction.  Whatever the case, Windows basics is more or less learning about different structures, used repeatedly in Windows and Windows programs, such as menus, ribbons, lists, dialogs, and this or that other structure or control and understanding how to move and work with them using the keyboard.  The NVDA navigator isn’t needed and isn’t used in a lot of what is done in Windows and Windows programs. 
 
To give you an idea of moving in File Explorer, when you are in a list of folders and files, you can move up and down the list with the up and down arrow keys. 
 
As far as shortcuts are concerned, I don’t know what you have in mind.  Tabbing is a command,not a shortcut.  The up and down arrows, used in a list are commands.  You are moving up and down in a list. 
 
I don’t know where you can get good free instruction in Windows basics but what you are asking about fits into that category.  Windows basics teaches things like working with dialogs, menus, ribbons, lists, you mostly work with lists in File Explorer, and other things to know.  It will save you a lot of trouble and it is important to learn Windows basics in an organized manner.  You don’t need to use object navigation for a lot of things you routinely do in Windows and in the majority of programs.  Windows basics, as properly taught to blind people  will show you how to do these things from the keyboard.
 
I don’t have Windows 10 and, though File Explorer is essentially the same in different versions of Windows, I’ll let others describe how to work with it in case there is this or that detail that I might not know about in Windows 10.  If I don’t mention it, it might cause confusion.  But I’m mainly writing to advise you of the importance of learning Windows basics properly.  Perhaps the NVDA instructional material put out by the NVDA developers themselves explains Windows basics as part of the instruction offered.  Others, familiar with the material will, I hope discuss that. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 10:28 AM
Subject: [nvda] File Explorer woes
 
Hello all,
As a newbie, I am struggling to use File Explorer on Windows 10. I tried to follow the Microsoft support guide on ‘Using the Screen Reader to navigate File Explorer’ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-file-explorer-in-windows-e7d3a548-87dd-459f-a991-9fde3f7ce927#PickTab=Windows_10 ) and it has not been helpful at all. Here are my questions:
 
1) Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?
2) If the answer to 1) is yes, is there a rule as to when one should use tabs, arrow keys, F6 etc.? Are there general rules with these keys in any kind of navigation using the Windows shortcut keys?
3) If the answer to 1) is no, how can NVDA help me here? I tried object navigation and it led me nowhere.
4) Do you think I need sighted help to tell me the layout of the File Explorer to better understand it
5) I am comfortable in using the console for all my file needs but in some cases it can get cumbersome typing all those commands. Is the cmd the only resort for the blind community?
 
If there are better resources than the above Microsoft Support document, I would appreciate that.
 
Thank you and forgive me for the long email.
 
Warmly,
mani
 
 


Re: NVDA Portable Start

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 12:32 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
If you put that in a batch file, it will exit the console.
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All I can tell you is that is not my experience.

And, for myself, I would rather use the same invocation method as is used when the NVDA installer has created a shortcut for an installed version.  It gives me the best assurance that things will be as much the same as they can be between a portable versus installed copy.
 
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Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 04:55 AM, Gabriele Battaglia wrote:
And no, it never happened under Win10, it is totally new to me.
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Any time one is experiencing peculiarities under either Windows 10 or 11, it is well worth doing the following, in order, and only do #2 if #1 doesn't solve the issue:

1. Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8 & 10

2. Doing a Windows 10 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows 10 ISO file

If push really comes to shove, one may have to resort to: Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Fetch the Win10 ISO File
or
Doing a Completely Clean (Re)install of Windows 10 Using Media Creation Tool to Create Bootable Win10 Install Media on a USB Thumb Drive
depending on whether you want to just burn the ISO you already have to bootable media or just want to have the Media Creation Tool create the bootable drive for you.

All of the above applies to Windows 11 as well as Windows 10.  I just have not bothered to go in and update titles, etc., yet.

As an aside that's worth mentioning here, and particularly since it can be more useful and helpful for someone who uses accessibility software, many technicians will do a completely clean reinstall of Windows on a brand new machine as soon as it comes out of the box.  Using the install media from Microsoft gets you the cleanest and most "debloated" instance of Windows that can be had.  It makes the most rock solid starting point without any bloatware that most manufacturers include on computers these days.  I don't do this routinely for sighted clients, but have when I am setting up a brand new machine for someone who cannot see.  If the computer has an SSD as its main system drive a completely clean reinstall is a very quick process, often less than 15 minutes, and I've never had one go to 30 minutes when an SSD is the system drive.
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Re: NVDA Portable Start

Steve Nutt
 

I never use Slave, I just start it from the drive. Drive:\nvda\nvda.exe and it just works.

 

If you put that in a batch file, it will exit the console.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 28 November 2021 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Portable Start

 

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 12:29 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:

Does the slave command preceed, follow, or replace the call to nvda.exe? 

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A lot of this territory seems to have been covered, but it replaces it.  Based on what I can literally see when using a script with nvda_slave.exe in it, that clearly calls NVDA and, regardless of the result (which has always been success for me), exits and that allows the command prompt itself to exit.

NVDA.exe does not exit, it is what runs NVDA, and so long as its running control is not returned to the command prompt to allow it to do anything else.  NVDA does not get invoked asynchronously by default.  As Chris Mullins noted, one could elect to use the start command to force an asynchronous process for NVDA to be started and control promptly returned to the command prompt.

I elected not to do this simply because if NVAccess uses nvda_slave to invoke NVDA, and that always works, copying that method seemed to be the wisest path of action to me.
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Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

Dan,

It would be immensely helpful if you would post two items in relation to this issue:

1. The "From" address of one of the messages that is not being read as you'd like it to be.

2. The full, unaltered, Subject line from the same message.

Post two of each, though the From should be the same, if it's easy enough to do.  This is a problem that's not going to be solved in the abstract and where having concrete, actual examples helps in finding a solution.
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Re: File Explorer woes

 

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:52 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

as to me this could devolve into a chat topic if we are not careful.

 

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Truthfully, it's already a Chat Subgroup or Windows Access for Screen Reader Users Group topic because it has nothing whatsoever to do with NVDA.

This is a classic example of where a question of the type, "How do I use {insert thing here} with NVDA?," is, in actuality, "How do I use {insert thing here} with the keyboard?"   It doesn't matter whether you're using JAWS, NVDA, Narrator, or some other screen reader of which I'm unaware.  Control of File Explorer is entirely "a Windows thing" and your screen reader is simply telling you what's going on.  No screen reader specific commands are ever (or virtually ever, I'm sure someone can pull out some ultra-rare exception) used in working with File Explorer.

I know that there are some members here who very strongly dislike my insistance on being clear about what you're asking about, but just the act of doing that often gets you much closer to the answer, or where you need to seek it.  And it's fairly simple to think about the three levels that you're dealing with, as one of them is almost always the one of clear focus:

1. Windows (or any part of Windows)
2. Your screen reader itself - which is where its commands, configuration, add-ons, and documentation come into the picture
3. The application program the screen reader is being used to access

If what you're asking about falls under categories #1 or #3, it's not a question about your screen reader, and the answers do not depend on which screen reader you use nor even whether you use a screen reader at all, with the very rarest of exceptions.

It only takes a few moments thought to "category sort" and, by extension, know where you should ask the question you're seeking an answer to.
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Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

 

Yeah I've been there.

Its why I stopped messing round with vmware software when lockdown started.

If it fails well put it this way when its needed well.

One thing you can try is to go to nvda preffs and make sure the mouse mode is not active.

I think its called mouse tracking, now if thats off no problem.

I do use the mouse on some mainstream programs to click buttons but never on my wrig unless I need it.

No idea why the mouse should move but since you can knock it about easily enough that may actually be it.

The other thing is never to leave the system in a program like mail, a website, etc that autorefreshes or has updated content and that could be it to.

Turning off your speakers while away may help to.

On 6/12/2021 10:42 pm, Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io wrote:

Reply to Shaun Everiss's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 04:10:


Hi Shaun, thanks a lot for your suggestions and detailed help.


I guess it is too much for me. I'm living alone, totally blind and I have no eyes to help if something will go wrong... and PC is too much important to me now, to wait for somebody's help. :)

I'll keep your ideas for the future when I will have some assistance.


Best regards.

Gabe.





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Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Dan Beaver
 

I am using MS David.  could be the issue since it pronounces many things incorrectly but not certain how to determine this.  Will have to try some other synths.


Dan Beaver.

On 12/6/2021 11:44 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it works here for me. It says “blind tech” without a dictionary entry. What synth are you using? I’m using eloquence.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

Hi Gene,

 

I thought about that and did check it and triple checked it. 

 

This occurs in the subject of emails from the blind tech mailing list.  I looked and it is showing up exactly as I typed it.  I checked the case of letters, made sure there weren't spaces in the string and other things.

 

The other instances of bracketed strings I have entries for are from other mailing lists and they work perfectly but this one does not.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/5/2021 4:16 PM, Gene wrote:

where does this text occur?  Can you chec it, or have you, for spelling and punctuation?  There is probably something in the way it is written that differs from how you are writing it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

I have tried adding a dictionary entry for "[blind-t]" and gave "blind tech" as the replacement string.  I have added this to the default and the voice dictionaries.  NVDA still pronounces "[blind-t]" as though it doesn't see my dictionary entries.

 

I also set case sensitivity to unchecked and type to anywhere and whole word.

 

I am running the latest RC and am running Windows [Version 10.0.19043.1348].

 

Any ideas why NVDA won't recognize that I have a dictionary entry for this?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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Re: File Explorer woes

Sarah k Alawami
 

The windows explore is a tree view. Use arrows to navigate the left, the tab to get between everything, do not use f6, it is although handy not sudable for this purpose. Also, when in the list view, hit control shift numrow 6 for detailed view this way you can in the list view navigate to the columns of information you can get from the explorer. I got the hang of the explorer when I used win 10 in 2017 in about maybe 2-3 days of Just practice. Do not use object nav, it is not necessary. This is a lot, but you should be ok. If not feel free to take this  up on the chat list as to me this could devolve into a chat topic if we are not careful.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] File Explorer woes

 

Hello all,

As a newbie, I am struggling to use File Explorer on Windows 10. I tried to follow the Microsoft support guide on ‘Using the Screen Reader to navigate File Explorer’ ( https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/use-a-screen-reader-to-explore-and-navigate-file-explorer-in-windows-e7d3a548-87dd-459f-a991-9fde3f7ce927#PickTab=Windows_10 ) and it has not been helpful at all. Here are my questions:

 

1) Is using the Windows shortcut keys the only way to navigate the File Explorer?

2) If the answer to 1) is yes, is there a rule as to when one should use tabs, arrow keys, F6 etc.? Are there general rules with these keys in any kind of navigation using the Windows shortcut keys?

3) If the answer to 1) is no, how can NVDA help me here? I tried object navigation and it led me nowhere.

4) Do you think I need sighted help to tell me the layout of the File Explorer to better understand it

5) I am comfortable in using the console for all my file needs but in some cases it can get cumbersome typing all those commands. Is the cmd the only resort for the blind community?

 

If there are better resources than the above Microsoft Support document, I would appreciate that. 

 

Thank you and forgive me for the long email.

Warmly,

mani

 

 


Re: Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually if you use netlogger you might not have this issue. I do not and I run nets, or used to until my shack got flooded. It pulls from the QRZ database but that's for a different list, pm me for more info.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 6, 2021 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Strange issue with Win11 (screen refreshing)


Reply to Sarah k Alawami's message, wrote on 05/12/2021 at 05:24:
I've had this happen especially if I'm hooked up to a networked computer and am copying something. Is that the case in your situation?
Ciao Sarah and thanks for reply.

Nope. The PC is connected to the internet but when this happens it is doing nothing.

It happens often when I left the focus on Thunderbird and sometime on a desktop icon.


I often use a software to log my amateur radio contact, for instance, it
has lots of input field controls where you must enter some text or data
and pass over by pressing tab. I often leave the NVDA focus over one of
these fields and there nothing happens, as it should be.

But, If I typed something within a text field then I wait for some
time... What I typed gets selected.

I'm not sure if it is a wanted behaviour or just something comes from
the O.S. By the way I'm pretty sure it is not ok.


Best regards.

Gabe.


Re: a problem with speech dictionaries again.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it works here for me. It says “blind tech” without a dictionary entry. What synth are you using? I’m using eloquence.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

Hi Gene,

 

I thought about that and did check it and triple checked it. 

 

This occurs in the subject of emails from the blind tech mailing list.  I looked and it is showing up exactly as I typed it.  I checked the case of letters, made sure there weren't spaces in the string and other things.

 

The other instances of bracketed strings I have entries for are from other mailing lists and they work perfectly but this one does not.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/5/2021 4:16 PM, Gene wrote:

where does this text occur?  Can you chec it, or have you, for spelling and punctuation?  There is probably something in the way it is written that differs from how you are writing it.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: [nvda] a problem with speech dictionaries again.

 

I have tried adding a dictionary entry for "[blind-t]" and gave "blind tech" as the replacement string.  I have added this to the default and the voice dictionaries.  NVDA still pronounces "[blind-t]" as though it doesn't see my dictionary entries.

 

I also set case sensitivity to unchecked and type to anywhere and whole word.

 

I am running the latest RC and am running Windows [Version 10.0.19043.1348].

 

Any ideas why NVDA won't recognize that I have a dictionary entry for this?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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