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Re: NVDA and deleting favorites

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 07:30 PM, Thierry Van Doorne wrote:
Press the Windows key and arrow down until you find "Delete" or press the letter D from Delete.
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I presume you mean the Context Menu/Applications Key.  Hitting the Windows Key, even if you have focus on an Edge favorite, still brings up the start menu.
 
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Re: Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Gene
 

JAWS may have let you use this command as though it were a universal command but that may have been a JAWS feature.  I joined a test meeting and when I talked, if I was in the window using NVDA, the command control 2 worked.  When I talked and I wasn’t in the window, it didn’t. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA
 

Thank you.  Unfortunately control + shift + t is not a global command.  That is, you can’t use it from the minutes file.  You must alt + tab to Zoom, control + shift + t, then alt + t back to your minutes file. 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

 

Hi

You can use

Control + Shift + T for JAWS to announce name of active speaker. with JAWS 2021.

 

As for copying chat in NVDA,  you can use "speech history,  review and opying" add-on.

 

Hope this helps. Thanks.



 

 

 

On 8/12/2021 3:52 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you then copy the chat history from the chat window with the nvda zoom add on? I often do not do this, as I have a transcript auto save when I exit th emeeting.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

 

Thank you for the info of the JAWS hotkey and its limitation. The fact is that I seldom use JAWS these days. NVDA is my main screen reader.

Are you using the Zoom enhancer add-on? I find it very useful too.

You can use NVDA + Ctrl + h To open a dialog where you can read all the chats.  Thanks.

On 8/12/2021 8:24 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Thank you.  Unfortunately control + shift + t is not a global command.  That is, you can’t use it from the minutes file.  You must alt + tab to Zoom, control + shift + t, then alt + t back to your minutes file. 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

 

Hi

You can use

 Control + Shift + T for JAWS to announce name of active speaker. with JAWS 2021.

 

As for copying chat in NVDA,  you can use "speech history,  review and opying" add-on.

 

Hope this helps. Thanks.




 

 

 

On 8/12/2021 3:52 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Sim Kah Yong
 

Thank you for the info of the JAWS hotkey and its limitation. The fact is that I seldom use JAWS these days. NVDA is my main screen reader.

Are you using the Zoom enhancer add-on? I find it very useful too.

You can use NVDA + Ctrl + h To open a dialog where you can read all the chats.  Thanks.

On 8/12/2021 8:24 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Thank you.  Unfortunately control + shift + t is not a global command.  That is, you can’t use it from the minutes file.  You must alt + tab to Zoom, control + shift + t, then alt + t back to your minutes file. 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

 

Hi

You can use

 Control + Shift + T for JAWS to announce name of active speaker. with JAWS 2021.

 

As for copying chat in NVDA,  you can use "speech history,  review and opying" add-on.

 

Hope this helps. Thanks.



 

 

 

On 8/12/2021 3:52 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: NVDA and deleting favorites

Thierry Van Doorne
 

Find your favorites in Microsoft Edge. Highlight the favorite you want to delete. Press the Windows key and arrow down until you find "Delete" or press the letter D from Delete.
Re: Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Louis Maher
 

Thank you.  Unfortunately control + shift + t is not a global command.  That is, you can’t use it from the minutes file.  You must alt + tab to Zoom, control + shift + t, then alt + t back to your minutes file. 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

 

Hi

You can use

 Control + Shift + T for JAWS to announce name of active speaker. with JAWS 2021.

 

As for copying chat in NVDA,  you can use "speech history,  review and opying" add-on.

 

Hope this helps. Thanks.



 

 

 

On 8/12/2021 3:52 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: NVDA and deleting favorites

Brian Vogel
 

And, to drive home one of my frequent points, you could cut off the "NVDA" part of this question and the answer is precisely the same.

This is not an NVDA function, nor any screen reader's function, but how Edge works with the keyboard whether or not any screen reader is in use.

This is not offered as a criticism or an attack, but to encourage people to think about what controls what they're asking about.  When it comes right down to it, it's usually not the screen reader unless we're talking screen reader settings or commands.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
Re: NVDA and deleting favorites

Gene
 

Be on the favorite you want to delete, open the context menu and find delete.  You will probably hear a shortcut letter when you are on delete so in future you can open the context menu and type the letter.
 
When trying to figure out how to do things in situations like this, the context menu should be one of the first things tried.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 4:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and deleting favorites
 
Hi,
Quick question, how do you delete favorites in edge using NVDA?
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

The last change to Application Dictionary add-on was made in November 2020, which explains part of the reason for the message you got earlier when trying to install this add-on; of course the other reason is maintenance of this add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi

You can use

 Control + Shift + T for JAWS to announce name of active speaker. with JAWS 2021.


As for copying chat in NVDA,  you can use "speech history,  review and opying" add-on.


Hope this helps. Thanks.





On 8/12/2021 3:52 am, Louis Maher wrote:

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: Configuration Profiles Limitation (Speech Dictionary)

Thomas N. Chan
 

Thanks Brian for your input and this addon for the other member suggested.
I will take a look.

I really thought of using a script to accomplish  but your concept is rather similar.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 7:38 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 05:57 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:
Authors: Ricardo M. Leonarczyk and Rui Fontes
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Also something changed with this.  Mr. Leonarczyk is still listed as the first author but the second is Łukasz Golonka.

https://github.com/RickLeon/applicationDictionary 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
NVDA and deleting favorites

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Quick question, how do you delete favorites in edge using NVDA?
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 04:23 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
In addition to creating an issue for this add-on, please alert the NVDA add-ons mailing list about compatibility issue with this add-on.
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Both have been completed.  Details available on the add-ons list, as this is really not an end-user issue, per se, but a developer one.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
Re: NVDA speaks different cursors.

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hi,

I would guess the first item: "Report Mouse Shape Changes", in the mouse category of nvda settings is the one tht needs unchecking.

Regards,
-- Patrick.

Le 07/12/2021 à 09:38, arqam mehmood a écrit :
Hi everyone.
Hope you're doing great.
a friend of mine is facing a problem with NVDA. when he moves within
different windows, NVDA start saying like this, Normal cursor,
appstart cursor, edit cursor etc. is it possible to disable this? if
yes then how?
any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

In addition to creating an issue for this add-on, please alert the NVDA add-ons mailing list about compatibility issue with this add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Brian Vogel
 

Joseph,

          Seriously, I'm looking for guidance:  How should this be handled?

           My inclination is to open an issue for the add-on itself, but I have no way of knowing for certain if it has been abandoned or not (but I doubt it).

            This is a situation where, "You can't fix what you don't know about," and getting the request to the appropriate person or persons is important.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

The issue is with the add-on. The message you get has to do with add-on API level - the latest API compatibility level is 2021.1. It is possible for add-on authors to specify a newer NVDA release (I had to change API level/release to 2021.2 a few weeks ago; for details, see the release announcements for version 21.10 of my add-ons).

Just changing the manifest is not a complete solution. Even if the add-on works after changing the "last tested version" field, things would have changed that causes old behavior to no longer work. This is why I always advise add-ons community to give status updates on add-ons as soon as the upcoming version enters beta phase, more so if it is a year.1 release.

The bigger issue is not keeping add-on author contact information up to date, as well as looking for maintainers. In terms of the latter point, it would have been emphasized lot more if the world didn't go south since 2020; since people are going through many things, it is perfectly understandable that the community would have a harder time finding maintainers. This will become very important soon when people find out that some important add-ons stopped working in NVDA 2022.1 beta 1 (thankfully the community has learned how severe that situation would be a bit early, so folks are keeping a closer eye on it).

Cheers,

Joseph
Accessing Zoom Chat With NVDA

Louis Maher
 

Hello,

 

Is it possible to copy and paste a chat message in a Zoom meeting using NVDA? I serve as a scribe for several groups, and I am going to convert to NVDA due to JAWS no longer supporting the “who is talking” global command “control + 2”. JAWS stopped supporting this command about three weeks ago. The “who is talking” command is useful for scribes only if it is global so that the scribe can stay in their notes and not switch to the Zoom meeting to activate a local “who is talking” command.  I have complained to Vispero about this.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher03@...

 
Re: Strange behavior of NVDA and Windows 10 at machine startup

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  I am late on this subject.  However, I agree with you as far as the blind being a minority.  My sighted son who is a computer engineer and has helped me as a professional in the computer field for the past 20 years or so, doesn't mind speech running.  However, I have had others who get upset to hear speech when pressing a computer key,.

Dave


On 11/29/2021 1:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 01:03 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
If the sighted folks can't bear even that brief inconvenience, then tell them to shut up and buy their own equipment.
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Big picture, you're right.  But it's not that simple, and you know it.

Each and every one of us is used to what we're used to, and very few of us who don't have either a blind loved one or coworker have ever, even once, been in front of a computer with a screen reader, period, let alone one that's active on a login screen.

It's not that a sighted person can't, or won't, adjust, it's just that the first time you encounter this you are a bit like the proverbial deer in the headlights, frozen and not quite knowing what to do.  And that's where the biggest problem lies for a shared computer outside the home in that you'll be running into this issue again and again and again if there are enough occasional sighted users sitting down to use the machine for the first time.

I don't know of a single sighted user in a mixed environment who cannot adjust to a screen reader being on, and even learning how to turn it off.  But if you've never been in a mixed environment, and many haven't, it's utterly unrealistic to believe that "the sighted are a problem here" because they're reacting as many of us naturally do when confronted with something "alien" for the first time in their lives.  They have no idea of what to do, or how, nor should they.

I think a very great many on these blind-tech groups forget just how small a minority you are, and in the big picture that matters whether you want it to or not, and particularly in an instance such as this one.  There are never going to be anything near to a majority of people in the world who have ever, even once, encountered an assistive technology of any sort.  And they're almost always going to be flummoxed when they do for the first time.  One of the proverbial crosses you must bear is the constant need to educate when this occurs.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Have you tried to change the manifest.ini?
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No, and not because I doubt that I could edit it.  But that's not a solution.

Add-ons are either being maintained, by someone (not necessarily their original developers), or they're not.

While I greatly appreciate the manifest editing workarounds you've provided, those are still not a permanent solution to what I hope is a temporary problem.  If an add-on has been abandoned it should be able to be picked up by anyone who wishes to maintain it based on the licensing requirements that NVDA (wisely) insists upon.

If the manifest needs to be edited, or something else needs to be done, the official maintainers need to be doing it.
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The difference between a top-flight creative man and the hack is his ability to express powerful meanings indirectly.

         ~ Vance Packard

 
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