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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Rui Fontes
 

Please, read carefully...


Make the recognition and show the results in a TXT file...

I tthink is what I said with:

Maybe show in TXT file the results of recognition of a text file


Rui Fontes


Às 17:00 de 08/12/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Maybe show in TXT file the results of recognition of a text file
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Please elaborate on what you mean by this.

I cannot for the life of me understand it.  A text file is text.  You open it, you have the screen reader read it.  OCR and a text file don't go together, as there's nothing to OCR, it's already plain text.
 
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Rui Fontes
 

As I already posted, it is already possible using NAPS add-on:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez2r125eilvhzi9/NAPS2TesseractOCR_1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1


Rui Fontes


Às 17:05 de 08/12/2021, Brian Vogel escreveu:

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.
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That would be great, wouldn't it?  Would certainly make dealing with daily mail easier (among other things).
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Rui Fontes
 

No problem!

I do the same, using code from the Net and from other add-ons!

If it is already done, why do it again?


Regarding virtual text, it is nice for small amount of information, but not for large text...


Rui Fontes


Às 17:44 de 08/12/2021, Simone Dal Maso escreveu:

Hello Rui!


Yes, your addon was a great point of start, we put a comment in the now.py file to thanks all NVDA developers and contributors.


Thank you for all suggestions, I think all will be implemented. Having a simple window with the text is  nicer.


Thank you and have a nice day!






Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Well good to know, will be happy to hear of any updates as they come.

Oh I sent you 20 bucks.

On 9/12/2021 6:49 am, Simone Dal Maso wrote:

Il 08/12/2021 18:01, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.

Yeah.

Yes, good suggestion.

I think it will be implemented.

Thank you for your suggestion!




Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 08/12/2021 18:01, Steve Nutt ha scritto:
All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.

Yeah.

Yes, good suggestion.

I think it will be implemented.

Thank you for your suggestion!


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello Rui!


Yes, your addon was a great point of start, we put a comment in the now.py file to thanks all NVDA developers and contributors.


Thank you for all suggestions, I think all will be implemented. Having a simple window with the text is  nicer.


Thank you and have a nice day!


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
For PDF files, provided that they are generated with accessibility in mind,
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Joseph,

I haven't seen any PDF originally created as PDF that's not accessible, fully accessible, with the possible exception of the lack of Alt Text for images.

That being said, I always presume these OCR functions are going to need to exist for a very long time simply because there exist so many image scanned PDF files that were created long before OCR became a standard part of scanning (or even existed).

I'll tell you what I told several of my former clients who were grad students, and who routinely were handed ancient image scanned PDFs that have been in use for years to decades:  OCR process them, save the text layer with the file itself, then try like the dickens to get whoever it is that maintains the archive from which the original was pulled to ditch that original and replace it with the OCRed version.

It's really not anyone's fault that inaccessible PDFs exist that were scanned in "another era."  But those documents can easily be made accessible via OCR done so that the result can be saved as part of the source file.  Those who are the digital archivists should be willing to replace inaccessible versions with accessible ones with just the slightest bit of vetting of the result.  And if they don't want to accept an OCRed version from someone else, a system needs to be in place to report image scanned PDFs for permanent OCR processing by staff, and that it be done promptly.  This isn't time intensive when you're working on demand, rather than a search and destroy mission for every PDF that might be image scanned.
 
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

AAh ok thanks.

On 9/12/2021 6:19 am, Simone Dal Maso wrote:

Il 08/12/2021 17:52, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Ooh and if the devs support donations give me a paypal address I can send  a 20 at, because I will be using this.

Wow! Really, we didn't think about write that, because we are excited for the first addon and it is beatiful to see so many people happy about that.

If you want to make a paypal, you can address it to:


info@...


Thank you very much for your thought, it's really nice!


Have a nice Christmas.







Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

mehmet çetin
 

hello, I have a request about this plugin, can you provide the opportunity to change the key shortcuts of the plugin?

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Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.


Hello!

You can get it at:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez2r125eilvhzi9/NAPS2TesseractOCR_1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1


Comands:

NVDA+Shift+R to recognize a image file;

NVDA+Control+Shift+R to recognize from scanner.


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 14:02 de 08/12/2021, Mobeen Iqbal escreveu:
Hi.

This certainly sounds like an excellent add-on. Does anyone know if there is a similar add-on or function to scan directly from twain scanners or cameras? That is the 1 missing function in my humble opinion.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 08/12/2021 11:24, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi, Simone,

This is n excellent piece of work! I have just tried the add-on with a bank statement in bitmap form file in my Downloads folder. It works like a dream!
Yesterday, I tried to read the same file by using NVDA + r to OCR the Adobe screen displaying the statement. This gave me only a partial read of the contents. I am sure this was limited by the way Adobe was displaying the image.

Just now, I pointed to the closed file in my downloads folder and press NVDA+shift+r and, almost instantly, a crisp, clear version of the statement page appeared without all the material that complicated the Adobe-based image.

Many thanks to you and to the developer team and for sharing this great tool!


All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello,

I am part of a developer team of a new addon.


I'd like to inform you that yesterday we published the first version of Nao, NVDA Advanced OCR.

I paste the little readme file and at last I put the link for download.

Feedback and suggestions are welcome!


Nao is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text editfield will appear, allowing you to read the entire content. Nao is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make yhr entire work.


System Requirements
The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version 2021.2, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, or with Total Commander filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar , since they are not supported.

Features and commands
• NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file system; ◦ PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a multipages document.
◦ NVDA + Shift + P: report page number related to the cursor position, in a multipage document.
• NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it.


Github repository:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

Latest version:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao/releases/download/v_2021.1.07/nao-2021.1.07.nvda-addon







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opinion on the usability of total comander

 

Hi.

After hearing about the nao addon in the other topic, I was wandering on how good total commander is as compaired to say windows file explorer.

The win10 file explorer is not bad,  certainly not as bad as it used to be however with all the crazy junk going over with win11, I have wandered if instead of patching and hacking all the systems I use when I eventually have to go, if it would be better using an alternit shell instead.


Obviously I wouldn't want to use that shell automatically all the day long on any system, windows shell would be the default but at least while things are screwed a little I can get round it.

Naturally on my system I will hack and slash and crack my way to freedom.

But I really don't want to megatweak every system mainly because I won't be its main user, after all I go on these systems to update them.

Never the less, if this is small, maybe all I need to do is run this from a drive before I use it or run a shortcut.

The other issue I don't care for is loading all my tweakers and stuff on a system.

I really don't want to hose a system and I have almost done this with winaerotweaker by being to tweaky and not reading what I was doing and just toggling one day.

Luckily I was able to reverse what I did but I really don't want a user to start up one of my modifiers, hose the system completely and get told, that they were fiddling with my tool and changing who knows what.

Leaving me no choice bnut to reformat because I didn't know what was changed and they not being able to tell me.

I also need something that will hide where I can toggle it on without the user accidentally bumping it.

I have told one of my users how to use ccleaner with its initial configurations but I have also had to warn off my users from finding and running my tools as they could be dangerous.

Obviously I can't make them hard to exactly find and use, I mean I need to find them and use them but as long as they don't directly show themselves unless for whatever reason the user needs to brouse a particular folder of a drive or my stuff folder of a drive with my stuff in it its not a problem.


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 08/12/2021 17:52, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Ooh and if the devs support donations give me a paypal address I can send  a 20 at, because I will be using this.

Wow! Really, we didn't think about write that, because we are excited for the first addon and it is beatiful to see so many people happy about that.

If you want to make a paypal, you can address it to:


info@...


Thank you very much for your thought, it's really nice!


Have a nice Christmas.


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Janet Brandly
 

Thank you for developing this addon. I may not use it right now but will definitely keep it in mind. Your team's work and time are much appreciated.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: December 8, 2021 2:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello,

I am part of a developer team of a new addon.


I'd like to inform you that yesterday we published the first version of Nao, NVDA Advanced OCR.

I paste the little readme file and at last I put the link for download.

Feedback and suggestions are welcome!


Nao is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text editfield will appear, allowing you to read the entire content. Nao is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make yhr entire work.


System Requirements
The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version 2021.2, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, or with Total Commander filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar , since they are not supported.

Features and commands
• NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file system; ◦ PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a multipages document.
◦ NVDA + Shift + P: report page number related to the cursor position, in a multipage document.
• NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it.


Github repository:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

Latest version:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao/releases/download/v_2021.1.07/nao-2021.1.07.nvda-addon


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 

Il 08/12/2021 16:53, Joseph Lee ha scritto:


One feedback item is command conflict. Currently NVDA+Shift+R is assigned to recognize the currently focused file, which conflicts with row header assignment command in Excel.

Hi Joseph!

Don't worry, we will solve this issue, giving users the opportunity to change gestures assignment.

Thank you for your suggestions, we will request to be included in the addon repository quite soon, and so we can make all adjustments.

Have a nice day!


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi,

Currently when you perform an OCR with Windows, the resulting text is shown as a virtual buffer-like environment. If I read the post correctly, what the member is asking for is saving OCR results to a text file. In a way, it is possible to do this, but one must be mindful of where the resulting text files are.

As for the overall notion of making images accessible, I think it is important to direct our attention to advocacy more, specifically persuading document authors to make things readable for more people. For PDF files, provided that they are generated with accessibility in mind, they can be opened and read in any program that accepts PDF files such as recent web browser releases (Edge, for example).

I have a strong intuition that the add-on idea was inspired by another product, but I won't go into that unless asked directly.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Steve Nutt
 

Or like JAWS OCR, which has a link to open the document in Word at the bottom, as the last line of the text. You could substitute this for Notepad, then you’d get a .txt file, since every Windows system has Notepad on it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: 08 December 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Maybe show in TXT file the results of recognition of a text file, and like NVDA does, in a virtual text the results from a screen capture?

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 16:48 de 08/12/2021, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

What if you want to keep the formatting though. I’m thinking if I screenshot a window  I could then click where the item is by hitting enter. Is this going to be possible with this add on? I could use the ocr function of nvda but sometimes windows ocr is not all that grate. If this improves  I could use that to replace windows ocr when ever I need to ocr a window after taking a screen cap of it then clicking where the object is.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Maybe to show the results in a TXT file instead of a virtual document...

 

Rui Fontes

Às 15:48 de 08/12/2021, Simone Dal Maso escreveu:

 

Il 08/12/2021 15:47, abdul muhamin ha scritto:

Please add support for the .txt files.

 

 Hello, I'm sorry but I don't understand your request.

Txt files are accessible, why do you want support for that?

 

 


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Well technically you can ocr, copy the screen, or select all then copy then paste.

While the loading of the file in adobe acrobat is not much faster the fact adobe reader takes a minute or so after compiling the file its probably a little quicker.

Where I will see this coming into its own  will be with non accessible pdfs, or non web pdfs the ocr in adobe can't handle.

As well as images.

Scanned images are not ocred and adobe can't read them.

I mean we have codex for some of the ebooks.

But the only place you can get a compiled coppy is from my keybase, and while there is code, you will need to get calibre portable either 64 or 32 bit and then drop it in there following instructions then the right tools to compile the version which looks not to be the latest compiled.

It would be nice if someone at least had it up somewhere in compiled form even if that was all that was done.

To be honest what I'd really like is an accessible accessible front end for my calibre interface that can use portable or installed calibre as I have it installed for some other stuff.


On 9/12/2021 5:56 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:48 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I could use the ocr function of nvda but sometimes windows ocr is not all that grate.
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This add-on still employs Windows OCR.  It is nice that it can do whole files for when you want to get a "quick and dirty" read.  But when it comes to things like PDF files, if you intend to use that same file again and again it makes more sense to apply OCR to the file itself and save the text layer with it so that you never need to OCR it again.  That's not a criticism of the add-on, though, as it doesn't seem to me that this is the purpose of the tool.  It's got "quick and dirty" one-time or very occasional reading of a given file as its target.
 
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.
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That would be great, wouldn't it?  Would certainly make dealing with daily mail easier (among other things).
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

Great stuff well done.

All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer. Could be NVDA Shift A for Acquire image from camera or scanner? Then you have a complete scanning package for NVDA.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: 08 December 2021 09:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello,

I am part of a developer team of a new addon.


I'd like to inform you that yesterday we published the first version of Nao, NVDA Advanced OCR.

I paste the little readme file and at last I put the link for download.

Feedback and suggestions are welcome!


Nao is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text editfield will appear, allowing you to read the entire content. Nao is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make yhr entire work.


System Requirements
The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version 2021.2, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, or with Total Commander filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar , since they are not supported.

Features and commands
• NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file system; ◦ PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a multipages document.
◦ NVDA + Shift + P: report page number related to the cursor position, in a multipage document.
• NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it.


Github repository:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

Latest version:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao/releases/download/v_2021.1.07/nao-2021.1.07.nvda-addon


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Maybe show in TXT file the results of recognition of a text file
-
Please elaborate on what you mean by this.

I cannot for the life of me understand it.  A text file is text.  You open it, you have the screen reader read it.  OCR and a text file don't go together, as there's nothing to OCR, it's already plain text.
 
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:52 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
because if I need to read any images now I can
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I have to presume those must be images that contain text.  That may be a given, but I would really prefer when "reading images" is talked about it be differentiated.

The ability to OCR an image with much text is completely different than image description, and both are valuable.
 
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