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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
the copy paste procedure is right, but on another mailing list we discover that there is an incompatibility with the clipspeak addon.
Do you have that addon installed?

Il 08/12/2021 21:24, Jay Pellis ha scritto:
*Hello all*
*This add on is amazing, did a scan of a pdf I've been having trouble with and it got all of the information I was missing using other programs like kurzweil.  I assume there is no way to copy and paste the information from the results area?  I tried using control shift end from the beginning and it said characters were selected but copy/paste unfortunately did nothing.  Can this perhaps be included in a future update?*
*Thank you so much to the developers for your time and effort.*
*Regards*
*Jay*
**
**
**
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *benmoxey@...
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2021 2:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.
Hi everyone
First, a big thank you to all of the developers who freely give their time to create these excellent additions to NVDA. I’m looking forward to trying this one. 😊
Second, Joseph’s comment about educating content creators about the importance of accessibility is extremely relevant. It is simply not true that documents that are originally created as PDFs are generally accessible.
When a PDF is created accessibly, they have a proper heading structure, table structures (with appropriately marked headers), accessible links, alt text etc. In fact, if tagged correctly, you get the best reading experience when loaded in Adobe Reader DC; they navigate like a well-designed website. The reason that loading PDFs in a web browser has become so popular in the blind community is because they are so often created with little accessibility in mind. The browser presents the documents contents the way it thinks it’s supposed to be displayed. This is why you often notice that there’s a heading structure that doesn’t really make sense, no images  and no tables.
I think this is an important point to make because there is a bit of a perception out there that being able to access some information is good enough. We in the blind community deserve better and it starts with education. These add-ons are a very valuable and appreciated work-around in the meantime.
All the best.
Ben
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Thursday, 9 December 2021 4:30 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.
On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
For PDF files, provided that they are generated with accessibility
in mind,
-
Joseph,
I haven't seen any PDF originally created as PDF that's not accessible, fully accessible, with the possible exception of the lack of Alt Text for images.
That being said, I always presume these OCR functions are going to need to exist for a very long time simply because there exist so many image scanned PDF files that were created long before OCR became a standard part of scanning (or even existed).
I'll tell you what I told several of my former clients who were grad students, and who routinely were handed ancient image scanned PDFs that have been in use for years to decades:  OCR process them, save the text layer with the file itself, then try like the dickens to get whoever it is that maintains the archive from which the original was pulled to ditch that original and replace it with the OCRed version.
It's really not anyone's fault that inaccessible PDFs exist that were scanned in "another era."  But those documents can easily be made accessible via OCR done so that the result can be saved as part of the source file.  Those who are the digital archivists should be willing to replace inaccessible versions with accessible ones with just the slightest bit of vetting of the result.  And if they don't want to accept an OCRed version from someone else, a system needs to be in place to report image scanned PDFs for permanent OCR processing by staff, and that it be done promptly.  This isn't time intensive when you're working on demand, rather than a search and destroy mission for every PDF that might be image scanned.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks Shawn,

That's all good information.  It would be worth following up with NLS and Humanware.  I will contact them as well, but it would be worth you also contacting them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 1:58 PM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

If I set it to Automatic, it shows HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series is loaded, if I set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly it says error, the braille display could not be loaded. When set to automatic it does send braille to the display but completely ignores any commands coming from the display. That means I can only read half of each line with the display, changing tether options doesn’t change this. I also can’t type anything from the display or route the cursor. It talks about connecting via USB with the protocol set to HumanWare, but nothing about Bluetooth. And beyond setting the display to Brailliant BI/B series/braille note touch  I can find nowhere in the guide or in the braille settings to set the protocol so that it will accept commands from the display. But at least now I know it’s supposed to be set to Brailliant BI/B series and not some nonexistent missing nls e-reader, not that that changes anything. Before I updated I was able to set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly with the same results, NVDA ignored any input from the display, but sent braille to it. It says the nls E-reader doesn’t require any special drivers to be installed. I wish it did, because maybe such a driver would tell NVDA to accept input from the display lol. I suspect it’s one of those situations where it works on some systems but not others until they’ve worked out the bugs. At least now I know it just isn’t going to work on my system, and not because there’s a setting missing.

Shawn Klein

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

 

I'm not sure - I don't have a unit to test, but the NLS eReader is listed in the NVDA user guide under the HumanWare Brailliant BI/B Series / BrailleNote Touch section: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#HumanWareBrailliant  Perhaps you need to set NVDA to use a Humanware display?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 6:21 AM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, the library swore up and down when I got the E-Reader that NLS E-reader  would be available in NVDA’s list of  braille displays, so I was hoping with the NVDA update it would finally appear, no dice. Anyone know what’s up with that? I can’t get on the mailing list for the E-Reader at all, so trying here again. I tried BRLTTY a couple months ago but it was useless. The reader refused to recognize it at all. If I set braille to automatic, standard hid display or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch the reader just sits there with please wait forever. It used to actually show me braille when I chose automatic or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch, but the keys on the e-reader would not advance to the next line in the document at all. They do so with the IPhone. I’ve tried with Bluetooth and USB with the same result.

Shawn Klein

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

William
 

By the way, nvda+shift+r is one of the key hotkey of nvda to set row header, is it more appropriate to use another default hotkey?

Jay Pellis 於 9/12/2021 4:24 寫道:

Hello all

This add on is amazing, did a scan of a pdf I've been having trouble with and it got all of the information I was missing using other programs like kurzweil.  I assume there is no way to copy and paste the information from the results area?  I tried using control shift end from the beginning and it said characters were selected but copy/paste unfortunately did nothing.  Can this perhaps be included in a future update?

Thank you so much to the developers for your time and effort.

Regards

Jay

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 2:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi everyone

 

First, a big thank you to all of the developers who freely give their time to create these excellent additions to NVDA. I’m looking forward to trying this one. 😊

 

Second, Joseph’s comment about educating content creators about the importance of accessibility is extremely relevant. It is simply not true that documents that are originally created as PDFs are generally accessible.

 

When a PDF is created accessibly, they have a proper heading structure, table structures (with appropriately marked headers), accessible links, alt text etc. In fact, if tagged correctly, you get the best reading experience when loaded in Adobe Reader DC; they navigate like a well-designed website. The reason that loading PDFs in a web browser has become so popular in the blind community is because they are so often created with little accessibility in mind. The browser presents the documents contents the way it thinks it’s supposed to be displayed. This is why you often notice that there’s a heading structure that doesn’t really make sense, no images  and no tables.

 

I think this is an important point to make because there is a bit of a perception out there that being able to access some information is good enough. We in the blind community deserve better and it starts with education. These add-ons are a very valuable and appreciated work-around in the meantime.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2021 4:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

For PDF files, provided that they are generated with accessibility in mind,

-
Joseph,

I haven't seen any PDF originally created as PDF that's not accessible, fully accessible, with the possible exception of the lack of Alt Text for images.

That being said, I always presume these OCR functions are going to need to exist for a very long time simply because there exist so many image scanned PDF files that were created long before OCR became a standard part of scanning (or even existed).

I'll tell you what I told several of my former clients who were grad students, and who routinely were handed ancient image scanned PDFs that have been in use for years to decades:  OCR process them, save the text layer with the file itself, then try like the dickens to get whoever it is that maintains the archive from which the original was pulled to ditch that original and replace it with the OCRed version.

It's really not anyone's fault that inaccessible PDFs exist that were scanned in "another era."  But those documents can easily be made accessible via OCR done so that the result can be saved as part of the source file.  Those who are the digital archivists should be willing to replace inaccessible versions with accessible ones with just the slightest bit of vetting of the result.  And if they don't want to accept an OCRed version from someone else, a system needs to be in place to report image scanned PDFs for permanent OCR processing by staff, and that it be done promptly.  This isn't time intensive when you're working on demand, rather than a search and destroy mission for every PDF that might be image scanned.
 
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Re: To install 21.3

Howard Traxler
 

Not allowed to speak of addons/drivers and such that are not recognized by the group as legit.

Howard

On 12/8/2021 7:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
As noted, you can install over the top, even if you were running a very old version.

BTW, what add-on do you have which works in NVDA 2021.1 but not in NVDA 2021.2?

NVDA 2021.1 was an add-on breaking release, but I was pretty sure anything which works in NVDA 2021.1 should work in NVDA 2021.2.

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:29 AM Chris via groups.io <http://groups.io> <chrismedley@... <mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

Just update over the older version, and most add-ons have been
updated to comply with 21.3 in any case

*From: *Howard Traxler <mailto:htraxler7@...>
*Sent: *08 December 2021 22:19
*To: *NVDA <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *[nvda] To install 21.3

Hello all,

I'm still using 21.1 because an addon I use does not work under
version

2.  I've now found a replacement for the addon and I'd like to
install

21.3.  Must I remove the old version or just install over it?  I'd
like

to use the OCR addon but someone said it takes 21.3. Maybe it's
time to

move forward.

Howard



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Re: News – NV Access - NVDA 2021.3 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

Niranjan Vala
 

Thank you Quentin for pointing out the problem. I will check the paypal settings and will update settings as required. If I will be able to do so, I will update here as well so anyone who is facing the same issue can also update their settings.


On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 04:31, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Niranjan,

Firstly thank you for your support!  We really appreciate it.

We haven't changed anything on the site from our end.  I did have another user from India contact me recently who was unable to donate.  What we found was that there had been changes in the rules in India around donations.  The user had to enter or update their tax identification number into PayPal, and then they could donate.  Could you please log into your PayPal account and check if there is anything like that you can update they might want?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 3:50 AM Niranjan Vala <niranjan.v.94@...> wrote:
Hello Quentin, I am Niranjan from India and I would like to inquire about the donation options on nvaccess.org. When I tried the single donation option and tried payment via paypal, It said "Payments are not accepted from this country yet". It even doesn't work if I try to pay via credit or debit card options. What should we Indians do if we want to donate?

On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 at 17:43, nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@nvda.groups.io> wrote:

NVDA 2021.3 Released

By Reef Turner

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2021.3 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

Highlights

This release introduces support for the new HID Braille specification. This specification aims to standardize support for Braille Displays without needing individual drivers. There are updates to eSpeak-NG and LibLouis, including new Russian and Tshivenda tables. Error sounds can be enabled in stable builds of NVDA via a new advanced settings option. Say all in Word now scrolls the view to keep the current position visible. There are lots of improvements when using Office with UIA. One UIA fix is that Outlook now ignores more types of layout tables in messages.

Important Note: Due to an update to our security certificate, a small number of users get an error when NVDA 2021.2 checks for updates. NVDA now asks Windows to update security certificates, which will prevent this error in the future. Affected users will need to download this update manually.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

Links

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

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shell replacements

 

Hi.

This is a change of subject from what this is about as I am generallising the topic.

Tried xplorer and total commander.

They are nice, but what I really want is a simple windows exploer maybe like win7 or xp with a single window, that looks like windows explorer but doesn't behave like a half crashy animal.

I don't need anything advanced bar file search which works.

If I need admin file access to whatever, 7zip file manager will access everything I need.

I have no need for anything entirely advanced.

Also in both cases, my fan was going full bore running xplorer2.

So no, tried both and I just didn't care for the interface, using ribbon disabler windows explorer is mostly uncluttered and does work at least on 10 I want something that runs, no frills, an address bar, a search box, and the main window.

I use the address bar to see where I am but who knows.


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Sharad Koirala
 

hi
greetings from nepal,

this is great. thanks.

On 12/9/21, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote:
Thank you for making this so easy to download. I can't wait to use it
for the first time but right now do not have a file to use it on. thank
you to those who worked on this one.


On 12/8/2021 10:44 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

You can get it at:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez2r125eilvhzi9/NAPS2TesseractOCR_1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1




Comands:

NVDA+Shift+R to recognize a image file;

NVDA+Control+Shift+R to recognize from scanner.


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 14:02 de 08/12/2021, Mobeen Iqbal escreveu:
Hi.

This certainly sounds like an excellent add-on. Does anyone know if
there is a similar add-on or function to scan directly from twain
scanners or cameras? That is the 1 missing function in my humble
opinion.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 08/12/2021 11:24, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi, Simone,

This is n excellent piece of work! I have just tried the add-on with
a bank statement in bitmap form file in my Downloads folder. It
works like a dream!
Yesterday, I tried to read the same file by using NVDA + r to OCR
the Adobe screen displaying the statement. This gave me only a
partial read of the contents. I am sure this was limited by the way
Adobe was displaying the image.

Just now, I pointed to the closed file in my downloads folder and
press NVDA+shift+r and, almost instantly, a crisp, clear version of
the statement page appeared without all the material that
complicated the Adobe-based image.

Many thanks to you and to the developer team and for sharing this
great tool!


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone
Dal Maso
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello,

I am part of a developer team of a new addon.


I'd like to inform you that yesterday  we published the first
version of Nao, NVDA Advanced OCR.

I paste the little readme file and at last I put the link for download.

Feedback and suggestions are welcome!


Nao is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that
NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard
command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to
make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use
NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put
the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit
NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text
editfield will appear, allowing you to read the entire content. Nao
is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not
accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make
yhr entire work.


System Requirements
The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they
have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version
2021.2, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that
Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, or with Total Commander
filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar , since
they are not supported.

Features and commands
• NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file
system; ◦ PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a
multipages document.
◦ NVDA + Shift + P: report page number related to the cursor
position, in a multipage document.
• NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it.


Github repository:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

Latest version:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao/releases/download/v_2021.1.07/nao-2021.1.07.nvda-addon









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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you for making this so easy to download. I can't wait to use it for the first time but right now do not have a file to use it on. thank you to those who worked on this one.

On 12/8/2021 10:44 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

You can get it at:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ez2r125eilvhzi9/NAPS2TesseractOCR_1.0.nvda-addon?dl=1


Comands:

NVDA+Shift+R to recognize a image file;

NVDA+Control+Shift+R to recognize from scanner.


Rui Fontes

NVDA portuguese team


Às 14:02 de 08/12/2021, Mobeen Iqbal escreveu:
Hi.

This certainly sounds like an excellent add-on. Does anyone know if there is a similar add-on or function to scan directly from twain scanners or cameras? That is the 1 missing function in my humble opinion.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 08/12/2021 11:24, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Hi, Simone,

This is n excellent piece of work! I have just tried the add-on with a bank statement in bitmap form file in my Downloads folder. It works like a dream!
Yesterday, I tried to read the same file by using NVDA + r to OCR the Adobe screen displaying the statement. This gave me only a partial read of the contents. I am sure this was limited by the way Adobe was displaying the image.

Just now, I pointed to the closed file in my downloads folder and press NVDA+shift+r and, almost instantly, a crisp, clear version of the statement page appeared without all the material that complicated the Adobe-based image.

Many thanks to you and to the developer team and for sharing this great tool!


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 9:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Hello,

I am part of a developer team of a new addon.


I'd like to inform you that yesterday  we published the first version of Nao, NVDA Advanced OCR.

I paste the little readme file and at last I put the link for download.

Feedback and suggestions are welcome!


Nao is an addon that improves the standard OCR capabilities that NVDA provides on modern Windows versions. While NVDA standard command uses Windows OCR to recognize the screen, NAO is able to make the OCR on files saved on your hard drive or USB devices. Use NVDA-Shift-R to recognize any sorts of images and pdf! Simply put the focus / cursor on the file you desire, don't open it, but hit NVDA-Shift-r. The document will be recognized and a simple text editfield will appear, allowing you to read the entire content. Nao is able to handle also multipage pdf, so if you have a not accessible document, don't worry, Windows OCR will be able to make yhr entire work.


System Requirements
The addon works on Windows 10 and Windows 11 systems, since they have OCR capabilities builtin. Nao is compatible from NVDA version 2021.2, so don't use older versions of the screen reader. Note that Nao works with Windows Explorer, on desktop, or with Total Commander filemanager; don't use other software like 7zip or Winrar , since they are not supported.

Features and commands
• NVDA + Shift + R: recognize any sorts of images and pdf from file system; ◦ PgUp / PgDown: move the cursor between real pages of a multipages document.
◦ NVDA + Shift + P: report page number related to the cursor position, in a multipage document.
• NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + R: take a full screen shot and recognize it.


Github repository:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

Latest version:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao/releases/download/v_2021.1.07/nao-2021.1.07.nvda-addon







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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Arlene
 

Woohoo! Excelent! Woohoo!

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: December 8, 2021 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Yep, loved that app, used it for my research papers which I passed btw. Glad to have that over with.  I will be trying this ad don as soon as I find an inaccessible pdf.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hello Steve,

I forgot to mention that I was referring to the present state of the add-on.  I wanted to say it can be done now but like Brian pointed out there will be  some cleanup to follow.  Of course, it will be great to have the add-on access the device directly and produce the accessible format.  This was how I used Serotek’s Docuscan  on my Mac. There was a ’Scan’ button pressing whereupon you get a viewer window where you can read the text and if desired, save it to different file formats.

 

Mani

 

 

  the 

 

On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

What scanner software? I was talking about using the add-on to access the camera or scanner directly through its software interface, bypassing the need to use it. JAWS does this very successfully.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: 08 December 2021 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Brian,

In case of a flat bed scanner, wouldn’t the scanner software be able to create a PDF of the scan?  And the camera would create the image file.  So it looks like the add-on can be used as a mail reader. Am I missing something?

 

Mani

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On Dec 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.

-
That would be great, wouldn't it?  Would certainly make dealing with daily mail easier (among other things).
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Re: NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

Shawn
 

If I set it to Automatic, it shows HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series is loaded, if I set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly it says error, the braille display could not be loaded. When set to automatic it does send braille to the display but completely ignores any commands coming from the display. That means I can only read half of each line with the display, changing tether options doesn’t change this. I also can’t type anything from the display or route the cursor. It talks about connecting via USB with the protocol set to HumanWare, but nothing about Bluetooth. And beyond setting the display to Brailliant BI/B series/braille note touch  I can find nowhere in the guide or in the braille settings to set the protocol so that it will accept commands from the display. But at least now I know it’s supposed to be set to Brailliant BI/B series and not some nonexistent missing nls e-reader, not that that changes anything. Before I updated I was able to set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly with the same results, NVDA ignored any input from the display, but sent braille to it. It says the nls E-reader doesn’t require any special drivers to be installed. I wish it did, because maybe such a driver would tell NVDA to accept input from the display lol. I suspect it’s one of those situations where it works on some systems but not others until they’ve worked out the bugs. At least now I know it just isn’t going to work on my system, and not because there’s a setting missing.

Shawn Klein

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

 

I'm not sure - I don't have a unit to test, but the NLS eReader is listed in the NVDA user guide under the HumanWare Brailliant BI/B Series / BrailleNote Touch section: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#HumanWareBrailliant  Perhaps you need to set NVDA to use a Humanware display?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 6:21 AM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, the library swore up and down when I got the E-Reader that NLS E-reader  would be available in NVDA’s list of  braille displays, so I was hoping with the NVDA update it would finally appear, no dice. Anyone know what’s up with that? I can’t get on the mailing list for the E-Reader at all, so trying here again. I tried BRLTTY a couple months ago but it was useless. The reader refused to recognize it at all. If I set braille to automatic, standard hid display or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch the reader just sits there with please wait forever. It used to actually show me braille when I chose automatic or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch, but the keys on the e-reader would not advance to the next line in the document at all. They do so with the IPhone. I’ve tried with Bluetooth and USB with the same result.

Shawn Klein

 

 

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Is anybody successfully using the PC keyboard braille input addon?

John Isige
 

Every time I try using it, I get a little bit of input, and it seems to die. For example, I wrote "let's test this" in notepad. I get Let's test followed by a space. When I backspaced over test, because I wanted to try it with a contraction to see if grade II input was working, it literally refused to write anymore characters, I just had Let's followed by a space.


I've tried the addon before and I think I've had similar results. I kee p thinking it would be a neat idea to see if writing in braille would be any faster, once I got used to doing it again. But obviously it's pretty useless the way it's working for me currently. To be fair, I am on a laptop keyboard, but it's weird that some input happens and then none at all, whether I use fds jkl or wer uio as input keys. I don't think it's the issue of my laptop not allowing some keys to be pressed at the same time, because I just wrote Stand in grade II and it worked, and then same thing, once I hit the space bar, I couldn't write anything else.


I don't think I've set my keyboard in Windows to anything odd, it should be the standard US English keyboard. If anybody's got any ideas for things to check, I'd appreciate it. It's a cool idea and I'd like to at least try it, even if it's something I don't end up using.


Re: accessibility versus usability

Quentin Christensen
 

As you indicate in the subject - accessibility and useability can be two very different things - If I have a novel which has NO formatting, but I am only going to read it from cover to cover without needing to navigate - it may not be an issue at all and may be perfectly useable, even if arguably it would fail accessibility guidelines.  On the other hand, if you need to be able to navigate to particular topics in your law textbook, and they're not marked up, then that likely is a big issue.  There may still be workarounds - eg if you want to go to chapter 8, you might be able to search for the text "Chapter 8" - and as long as not too many other parts of the book talk about "In chapter 8 you will find information about...." then it might jump straight there.

Generally what I would recommend in such a situation is to raise it with whoever made the book - whether it's the book publisher, the law school, professor or the university's disability coordinator or similar.  Whoever it is, it is important for them to know that - even if you can get around it - the book is not as useable as it should be.  It is usually easier to fix during the creation process than afterwards.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:31 AM mike mcglashon <michael.mcglashon@...> wrote:

Hi guys:

 

First, I changed the subject line because this writing has nothing to do with the “new addon” that has been hot on the press this day.

 

Well, I guess I’ll weigh in and you can tell me where I fall on the “accessibility spectrum”

I read a lot of law school textbooks which are divided “intensively sectioned” along with chapters, subchapters, and cases and notes within each of these;

 

I have received both very “accessible and usable” books where all the headings are marked and I can see that sections are within one another and so on; and

I have received “bad books” where there are no headings, no subsection labels, nor case names in headings, so a “search” will only work if I know specifically what I am looking for.

However, if I want to get the lay of the land of a textbook of this nature, and it isn’t marked up “usably” then I could be screwed;

Please let me know your feedback on this;

It seems in the latter case, I have to take sometimes hours to actually put all the headers in the book in order to make a book of this nature “interactive”.

Thank you very much for allowing me to speak on this topic.

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

I wasn’t talking about whether there are features such as headings or if its just text.  I have no objection to documents that read as just text.  I was considering documents that have columns on the pages and where the columns aren’t properly placed.  I was saying, perhaps not clearly, that I don’t know how many PDF documents have columns that cause problems.  The PDF documents ai’ve read are generally accessible as you are describing, but I haven’t worked with enough to generalize.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 3:52 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 03:46 PM, Gene wrote:

But without experience of a large number of PDF documents, I wouldn’t assume that.

 

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Gene, I can say, with complete honesty, that I cannot count the number of PDF documents I've dealt with, and in the context of a screen reader.  The general hierarchy of accessibility has been:

1. Image Scanned - Inaccessible unless OCRed, and if OCRed, much depends on when as far as how well that works.

2. OCR processed by something designed to do so -  If it's a fairly modern OCR engine, things like columnar text are generally handled with very good flow.  If it was an early OCR engine, not so much.  Document will not have, to quote Mr. Moxley, "proper heading structure, table structures (with appropriately marked headers), accessible links, alt text etc."  OCR engines are generally not that sophisticated, though most can detect tables these days and set them up as such.

3. Created as PDF in a PDF Editor or MS-Word:  100% basic accessibility, but not necessarily "prettified" with all of the above noted features.  I've created quite a few tutorials in MS-Word that I've then saved as PDF that are one to maybe three pages long, and step by step, and I certainly never go to that level of elaboration because of what the content is and how it's to be accessed.  People creating things like church bulletins, flyers, and lots of other simple documents that are often of a "read once and then done" nature are unlikey to ever do so, either.

3. Created as PDF in a PDF Editor and of significant length, and intended for publication and/or a long archival life:  100% maximally accessible with all the features Mr. Moxley noted.

The fact of the matter is that I don't disagree with him, one bit, about what needs to be done to create a maximally accessible PDF if one is creating it from scratch and it is of any significant length.  What I do disagree with is that this is necessary for the vast majority of very short PDFs out there that may or may not have been created as such.

When it comes to PDFs, and particularly PDFs of unknown origin, it's completely unrealistic to call them inaccessible if they don't have the prettification.  I have scanned, and with OCR scanning at the time of scan, things like owner's manuals and service manuals that are hundreds of pages long.  They will not ever have all of the prettification because it's just not possible, but their text content is complete, and searchable.  That's accessible, and in most instances way more than just minimally accessible.

It's way faster for me to find what I'm looking for in these scanned PDFs because they are searchable than it is to find it using the source material, as often certain bits of information are put where you really wouldn't expect to find it and there's noting in the table of contents nor index or indices that would indicate that.  But if you know the term you're looking for, you can blaze through hundreds of pages very quickly using search functionality.  That's accessible whether you're doing this the sighted way or using a screen reader to do the same thing.  It may not be as nice as it would be had the source material been created as PDF, but there will never come a time where every PDF started out life that way nor where whatever was used to OCR it could possibly produce something with all the features in characteristic of PDF born as PDF.
 
There's basic accessibility and publisher-layout-quality accessibility.  They're not the same thing.  We should, of course, constantly encourage the use of publisher-layout-quality with regard to accessibility where such is warranted.  My 2-page flyer for next week's picnic, as a fictional example, would not be one of those times.  If it's entirely readable, in the expected order, that's good enough.

The perfect should never be the enemy of the good.
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Re: To install 21.3

Quentin Christensen
 

As noted, you can install over the top, even if you were running a very old version.

BTW, what add-on do you have which works in NVDA 2021.1 but not in NVDA 2021.2?

NVDA 2021.1 was an add-on breaking release, but I was pretty sure anything which works in NVDA 2021.1 should work in NVDA 2021.2.

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 9:29 AM Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Just update over the older version, and most add-ons have been updated to comply with 21.3 in any case

 

 

 

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: 08 December 2021 22:19
To: NVDA
Subject: [nvda] To install 21.3

 

Hello all,

I'm still using 21.1 because an addon I use does not work under version

2.  I've now found a replacement for the addon and I'd like to install

21.3.  Must I remove the old version or just install over it?  I'd like

to use the OCR addon but someone said it takes 21.3. Maybe it's time to

move forward.

 

Howard

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yep, loved that app, used it for my research papers which I passed btw. Glad to have that over with.  I will be trying this ad don as soon as I find an inaccessible pdf.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hello Steve,

I forgot to mention that I was referring to the present state of the add-on.  I wanted to say it can be done now but like Brian pointed out there will be  some cleanup to follow.  Of course, it will be great to have the add-on access the device directly and produce the accessible format.  This was how I used Serotek’s Docuscan  on my Mac. There was a ’Scan’ button pressing whereupon you get a viewer window where you can read the text and if desired, save it to different file formats.

 

Mani

 

 

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On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

 

What scanner software? I was talking about using the add-on to access the camera or scanner directly through its software interface, bypassing the need to use it. JAWS does this very successfully.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: 08 December 2021 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Brian,

In case of a flat bed scanner, wouldn’t the scanner software be able to create a PDF of the scan?  And the camera would create the image file.  So it looks like the add-on can be used as a mail reader. Am I missing something?

 

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On Dec 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.

-
That would be great, wouldn't it?  Would certainly make dealing with daily mail easier (among other things).
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

udit pandey
 

first of all thanks Simone and hole dev team for bringing up this very nice add-on for us
now,  second thing is that its a only suggestion for the team can you creat it like that when the result comes out we can save it in different formaits eg. word pdf or some other I know that we can coppy the result and do the same but the conversion is a more convenient way according to me
but Simone and whole team once again thanks!


Re: NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not sure - I don't have a unit to test, but the NLS eReader is listed in the NVDA user guide under the HumanWare Brailliant BI/B Series / BrailleNote Touch section: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#HumanWareBrailliant  Perhaps you need to set NVDA to use a Humanware display?

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 6:21 AM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, the library swore up and down when I got the E-Reader that NLS E-reader  would be available in NVDA’s list of  braille displays, so I was hoping with the NVDA update it would finally appear, no dice. Anyone know what’s up with that? I can’t get on the mailing list for the E-Reader at all, so trying here again. I tried BRLTTY a couple months ago but it was useless. The reader refused to recognize it at all. If I set braille to automatic, standard hid display or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch the reader just sits there with please wait forever. It used to actually show me braille when I chose automatic or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch, but the keys on the e-reader would not advance to the next line in the document at all. They do so with the IPhone. I’ve tried with Bluetooth and USB with the same result.

Shawn Klein

 

 

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Re: will station playlist's latest version work now

 

Hi,

Yes - go ahead and advise the DJ to upgrade to Studio 6, and also tell this person to use NVDA 2021.3 and SPL add-on 21.11 as the latest add-on release adds support for Studio 6.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: will station playlist's latest version work now

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

I don't know what you're talking about, but you can try to upgrade to the latest version of the addon, and download NVDA 2021.3

Em qua., 8 de dez. de 2021 às 18:29, ken lawrence via groups.io <kenlawrence124=aol.com@groups.io> escreveu:

Hi ken here one of my fello DJs with TAFN radio recently tried to update to station playlist version 6.0 and it didn’t work with NVDA she had to roll all the way back to 2019 and back up to 5.5 station playlist I just got the latest update for NVDA 2021.3 can my friend move up to SPL 6.0 now? A recent add on update did have a new SPL extention. 

 

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Re: opinion on the usability of total comander

 

Hmmm yeah I could see where that went.
Well xplorer2 does not work with the ocr addon but yeah its definitely
something I will invest in.
Another portable app will do nicely.
I want to avoid having to install all sorts of extras and replace
shells but yeah its something to look at anyway.

On 09/12/2021, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nathan.chan@...> wrote:
I personally use this program call xplorer2. Its not a freeware but I paid
for ultimate edition which allows me to have the portable copy.
What it does is, whatever I do on this program, it will stick to that only.
I don't like traditional windows explorer, xplorer2 is more powerful, and
once I set it up, I can move wherever I go. I put a copy at my server and
network share.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 1:19 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

Hi.

After hearing about the nao addon in the other topic, I was wandering on
how good total commander is as compaired to say windows file explorer.

The win10 file explorer is not bad, certainly not as bad as it used to
be however with all the crazy junk going over with win11, I have
wandered if instead of patching and hacking all the systems I use when I
eventually have to go, if it would be better using an alternit shell
instead.


Obviously I wouldn't want to use that shell automatically all the day
long on any system, windows shell would be the default but at least
while things are screwed a little I can get round it.

Naturally on my system I will hack and slash and crack my way to freedom.

But I really don't want to megatweak every system mainly because I won't
be its main user, after all I go on these systems to update them.

Never the less, if this is small, maybe all I need to do is run this
from a drive before I use it or run a shortcut.

The other issue I don't care for is loading all my tweakers and stuff on
a system.

I really don't want to hose a system and I have almost done this with
winaerotweaker by being to tweaky and not reading what I was doing and
just toggling one day.

Luckily I was able to reverse what I did but I really don't want a user
to start up one of my modifiers, hose the system completely and get
told, that they were fiddling with my tool and changing who knows what.

Leaving me no choice bnut to reformat because I didn't know what was
changed and they not being able to tell me.

I also need something that will hide where I can toggle it on without
the user accidentally bumping it.

I have told one of my users how to use ccleaner with its initial
configurations but I have also had to warn off my users from finding and
running my tools as they could be dangerous.

Obviously I can't make them hard to exactly find and use, I mean I need
to find them and use them but as long as they don't directly show
themselves unless for whatever reason the user needs to brouse a
particular folder of a drive or my stuff folder of a drive with my stuff
in it its not a problem.












Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Mani Iyer
 

Hello Steve,
I forgot to mention that I was referring to the present state of the add-on.  I wanted to say it can be done now but like Brian pointed out there will be  some cleanup to follow.  Of course, it will be great to have the add-on access the device directly and produce the accessible format.  This was how I used Serotek’s Docuscan  on my Mac. There was a ’Scan’ button pressing whereupon you get a viewer window where you can read the text and if desired, save it to different file formats.

Mani


  the 

On Dec 8, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

What scanner software? I was talking about using the add-on to access the camera or scanner directly through its software interface, bypassing the need to use it. JAWS does this very successfully.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: 08 December 2021 18:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Brian,

In case of a flat bed scanner, wouldn’t the scanner software be able to create a PDF of the scan?  And the camera would create the image file.  So it looks like the add-on can be used as a mail reader. Am I missing something?

 

Mani

 on. 

 



On Dec 8, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:01 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

All you need now is an option to scan from a camera or flatbed scanner connected to the computer.

-
That would be great, wouldn't it?  Would certainly make dealing with daily mail easier (among other things).
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