Date   

help with Weather-Plus

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I had forgotten that this ad-on was not on this laptop until today. I am trying to figure out--I am using the latest version of NVDA--that when I have it check the weather for two days it is giving yesterday's forecast and today's. Is there something I am doing incorrectly or is it possible this is something to do with the latest NVDA update?

When I check the date on the computer it is the correct date for today.

Thanks for any suggestions. I am so glad to have it once again. Thank you for such great documentation on this ad-on.


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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Simone and Brian,

I am using the add-on on windows 11, specifically, Version 21H2 (OS Build 22000.348)
Running NVDA 2021.3.

I have tried it on *.tif files and it has worked as described.

I am not seeing Brian's problem. I am on a USB keyboard on my desktop.

Pranav


Re: control+shift+w command must be changed in weater plus

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

sará, I can do this, but it should have another command by default

Em qui., 9 de dez. de 2021 às 22:05, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> escreveu:

Can you change that in the gestures dialogue to something that works on your computer? I would have to have a play to see what could work.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] control+shift+w command must be changed in weater plus

 

hi friends, this command is used in google chrome to close all tabs, so this command must be changed to not conflict.


Re: control+shift+w command must be changed in weater plus

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you change that in the gestures dialogue to something that works on your computer? I would have to have a play to see what could work.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] control+shift+w command must be changed in weater plus

 

hi friends, this command is used in google chrome to close all tabs, so this command must be changed to not conflict.


Re: Tables and blank lines in Outlook

Sarah k Alawami
 

Tables are for html apps only such as edge and electron apps I believe and no to your first question. Just use say all if you want to  git rid of the blank lines. I do arrow but only if I know there is a code I need to read etc but that’s rare.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tables and blank lines in Outlook

 

Hello. I’m trying to get more acquainted with NVDA and have a couple of questions regarding configuration and how it performs in Outlook messages.

  1. When arrowing through open Outlook email and messages, blank lines just get in the way and adds unnecessary time to reading email. Is there a setting that will tell NVDA to either ignore or skip bland lines? If no I would love to see such a setting in the future. I know that of course I just use read to end but I really prefer arrowing down through a message.
  2. The same goes for tables also in Outlook. They really slow things up when reading. I know there are table settings but are they applied strictly to the program in focus, or are they applied globally to everything?

Thanks for reading and looking forward to any answers or suggestions

 

 

 

 

Warmest regards

 

Rick Alfaro

 


control+shift+w command must be changed in weater plus

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

hi friends, this command is used in google chrome to close all tabs, so this command must be changed to not conflict.


Tables and blank lines in Outlook

Rick Alfaro
 

Hello. I’m trying to get more acquainted with NVDA and have a couple of questions regarding configuration and how it performs in Outlook messages.

  1. When arrowing through open Outlook email and messages, blank lines just get in the way and adds unnecessary time to reading email. Is there a setting that will tell NVDA to either ignore or skip bland lines? If no I would love to see such a setting in the future. I know that of course I just use read to end but I really prefer arrowing down through a message.
  2. The same goes for tables also in Outlook. They really slow things up when reading. I know there are table settings but are they applied strictly to the program in focus, or are they applied globally to everything?

Thanks for reading and looking forward to any answers or suggestions

 

 

 

 

Warmest regards

 

Rick Alfaro

 


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Kevin Cussick
 

I get the same problems here and it is a Usb keyboard that came with this all in one computer hope this might help.

On 08/12/2021 13:32, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Il 08/12/2021 13:57, Brian Moore ha scritto:

 The ocr process happens and I hear "result document" and the first line of the file but as soon as I press an arrow key to read the rest, the result vanishes and I am taken back to the folder from where I initiated the ocr.
Ok, I will contact the developers for this.
Are you using a laptop? Or an usb keyboard?
The fact is that it seems that for some reasons the addon doesn't intercept the arrow keys.
Are you using the normal arrow keys or for example some emulations or numpad keys?
Sorry for all these questions but it is to understand the problem.


Re: NAO; NVDA Advanced OCR: bugs and features request

 

For those interested in reporting via GitHub:  Creating a Github Account

 

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NAO; NVDA Advanced OCR: bugs and features request

Simone Dal Maso
 

Dear users,
I'm really happy that this addon generated lots of interest.
Since we received lots of features request and bug reports, I ask you if you can submit them on the github page of the project.
In this manner, we don't generate hundred of messages on this group.

Obviously, we can talk about the addon here, but having things into Github help developers to track all requests.

I can also inform you that we solved the problems of gestures, now they are on NVDA gestures input dialog, so expect this on next version.

We want to thank all people that gave ideas, suggestions, report bugs and, yes... people that wrote some lines of codes for us!
Rest sure that Nao will become more robust and with more features!

The project page is here:

https://github.com/sharkboyto/nao

See you soon!


Re: accessibility versus usability

 

In addition to Quentin's observations, if you've got massive electronic tomes that at the very least have decent tables of contents and/or indices, and it's a grand PITA to try to use same when you're in the middle of said tome, it can be well worth using a PDF splitting utility (I love PDF SAM - Split and Merge - I don't know if it's accessible or not) to split off the table of contents and/or index so that you can have those up side by side with the main content.  Just being able to refer to one or the other to get an idea of where something might be or what terminology might be used for searching to get to same can make it much faster to do so than jumping around in the main material looking for same.

There will likely always be documents "of a certain age" in particular that will never be up to accessibility standards of today and never be revisited, either.  There are often ways to make your life easier in terms of being able to find what you want, though.

This is the approach I often take for actual print copy, which never had or has anything other than the table of contents and/or index to allow you to find things, but it's a simple matter for someone sighted, like myself, to stick a finger in the page where I want to come back to in order to reference either.  What I propose above is the rough cyber equivalent of this.
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Re: opinion on the usability of total comander

 

Hmmm I may need to revisit it then.

I tried explorer++ and that works well enough but who knows.

I may try total commander its a different way of navigating.

I don't need cloud access all day long so I handle a single window for the most part.

On 9/12/2021 10:14 pm, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
Hello,
I think total commander is really accessible with NVDA.
NVDA reports the panel in which you are, and make a portable copy of the software is really simple.
There is also a dedicated addon!
Then, I use it in many modes, for example I have my pc in a panel and a cloud server in the other, or, a connection with a sftp server in a panel and the cloud in the other.
I abandoned filezilla, since now ftp and sftp are supported, and I can use all cloud service from a simple app, without download all content.



Il 08/12/2021 18:19, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:
Hi.

After hearing about the nao addon in the other topic, I was wandering on how good total commander is as compaired to say windows file explorer.

The win10 file explorer is not bad,  certainly not as bad as it used to be however with all the crazy junk going over with win11, I have wandered if instead of patching and hacking all the systems I use when I eventually have to go, if it would be better using an alternit shell instead.


Obviously I wouldn't want to use that shell automatically all the day long on any system, windows shell would be the default but at least while things are screwed a little I can get round it.

Naturally on my system I will hack and slash and crack my way to freedom.

But I really don't want to megatweak every system mainly because I won't be its main user, after all I go on these systems to update them.

Never the less, if this is small, maybe all I need to do is run this from a drive before I use it or run a shortcut.

The other issue I don't care for is loading all my tweakers and stuff on a system.

I really don't want to hose a system and I have almost done this with winaerotweaker by being to tweaky and not reading what I was doing and just toggling one day.

Luckily I was able to reverse what I did but I really don't want a user to start up one of my modifiers, hose the system completely and get told, that they were fiddling with my tool and changing who knows what.

Leaving me no choice bnut to reformat because I didn't know what was changed and they not being able to tell me.

I also need something that will hide where I can toggle it on without the user accidentally bumping it.

I have told one of my users how to use ccleaner with its initial configurations but I have also had to warn off my users from finding and running my tools as they could be dangerous.

Obviously I can't make them hard to exactly find and use, I mean I need to find them and use them but as long as they don't directly show themselves unless for whatever reason the user needs to brouse a particular folder of a drive or my stuff folder of a drive with my stuff in it its not a problem.










Re: Sometimes NVDA only reads first line of an email in Outlook 2019 : depends on state of Outlook?

Gene
 

Are you saying that if you use the read to end command the moment you hear speech or a bit before that you hear the first line twice?  I don't know what happens in Outlook, but in the programs I use, using read to end prevents any duplication unless I wait to long to use the command or perhaps too early, while the message is still opening. 


I haven't experimented that much after I found a procedure that works.


Gene

On 12/8/2021 3:48 PM, Milton Charlton wrote:
With a little more sleuthing I found that when Outlook is first started, NVDA will read an entire email when that email is selected by hitting Enter. When I try to read the same email again, only the first line is read out.  Now, if I exit Outlook and restart Outlook, that same email will be read out entirely but only the first time.  This behaviour is identical with HTML and with Plain Text emails.  It does not matter if the email is marked as Unread or not. Read All will read the entire email but only  after the first line is read out  so I get the first line twice.
The behaviour is not affected by disabling Outlook Extended addon.

NVDA  2021.3
Windows 10 Pro Version 10.0.19044 Build 19044
 


Re: Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 01:40 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Try this: “a ssistive”
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Thanks for giving the most uncomplicated option.  An 'a' before a consonant should be sounded as a schwa.  It couldn't get simpler.
 
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Re: Basic Speech dictionary Question

Chris Smart
 

Thanks

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: December 9, 2021 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Chris,

 

I am using Eloquence also. I just put a space after the first “a” and it gives just the right emphasis.

 

Try this: “a ssistive” (without the quotes) and see how you find it.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Hi.

 

I’m trying to fix how NVDA is pronouncing assistive, as in assistive technology. I need the first part to be spoken more like assist, without stress on the first syllable.

 

I gather I should put “assistive” or perhaps “assist” in the pattern field, but what do I put in the second field to render the pronunciation I want?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

This is with Eloquence. I haven’t tried reading the word assistive with eSpeak.

 

 


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Re: NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

Brian Sackrider
 

    This just proves my point that Nls should let more of us be bada testersso they will be able to find more bugs or problems that need to be fixt before the final release.  This is why I like Nvda is that anyone can test all bada versions if they chose to do so.  The greater number of testers that you have will means that problems can be found and fixt before the final release.  Nls needs to take a lesson from Nvda and do it the same way.  I would Nls to come up with an Nls insider program similar to Microsoft windows insider program.  I did email Nls and told them that if they do come up with such a program then sign me up.

Brian Sackrider

On 12/8/2021 9:58 PM, Shawn via groups.io wrote:

If I set it to Automatic, it shows HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series is loaded, if I set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly it says error, the braille display could not be loaded. When set to automatic it does send braille to the display but completely ignores any commands coming from the display. That means I can only read half of each line with the display, changing tether options doesn’t change this. I also can’t type anything from the display or route the cursor. It talks about connecting via USB with the protocol set to HumanWare, but nothing about Bluetooth. And beyond setting the display to Brailliant BI/B series/braille note touch  I can find nowhere in the guide or in the braille settings to set the protocol so that it will accept commands from the display. But at least now I know it’s supposed to be set to Brailliant BI/B series and not some nonexistent missing nls e-reader, not that that changes anything. Before I updated I was able to set it to HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series  directly with the same results, NVDA ignored any input from the display, but sent braille to it. It says the nls E-reader doesn’t require any special drivers to be installed. I wish it did, because maybe such a driver would tell NVDA to accept input from the display lol. I suspect it’s one of those situations where it works on some systems but not others until they’ve worked out the bugs. At least now I know it just isn’t going to work on my system, and not because there’s a setting missing.

Shawn Klein

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 7:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3, Still no NLS E-Reader listed in the list of braille displays to choose from, what a bummer.

 

I'm not sure - I don't have a unit to test, but the NLS eReader is listed in the NVDA user guide under the HumanWare Brailliant BI/B Series / BrailleNote Touch section: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#HumanWareBrailliant  Perhaps you need to set NVDA to use a Humanware display?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 6:21 AM Shawn via groups.io <kb7clx=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, the library swore up and down when I got the E-Reader that NLS E-reader  would be available in NVDA’s list of  braille displays, so I was hoping with the NVDA update it would finally appear, no dice. Anyone know what’s up with that? I can’t get on the mailing list for the E-Reader at all, so trying here again. I tried BRLTTY a couple months ago but it was useless. The reader refused to recognize it at all. If I set braille to automatic, standard hid display or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch the reader just sits there with please wait forever. It used to actually show me braille when I chose automatic or HumanWare Brailliant BI/B series / BrailleNote Touch, but the keys on the e-reader would not advance to the next line in the document at all. They do so with the IPhone. I’ve tried with Bluetooth and USB with the same result.

Shawn Klein

 

 

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Re: Basic Speech dictionary Question

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

I am using Eloquence also. I just put a space after the first “a” and it gives just the right emphasis.

 

Try this: “a ssistive” (without the quotes) and see how you find it.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Hi.

 

I’m trying to fix how NVDA is pronouncing assistive, as in assistive technology. I need the first part to be spoken more like assist, without stress on the first syllable.

 

I gather I should put “assistive” or perhaps “assist” in the pattern field, but what do I put in the second field to render the pronunciation I want?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

This is with Eloquence. I haven’t tried reading the word assistive with eSpeak.

 




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Re: Basic Speech dictionary Question

Sarah k Alawami
 

I’m using code factory’s eloquence but even with the IBM tts one it still said it correctly.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Hi Sarah. Which version of Eloquence are you using?

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: December 9, 2021 11:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Actually in my case eloquence says assistive  correct with stress on the penultimate syllable like it supposed to be. I didn’t do anything to change this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

Hi.

 

I’m trying to fix how NVDA is pronouncing assistive, as in assistive technology. I need the first part to be spoken more like assist, without stress on the first syllable.

 

I gather I should put “assistive” or perhaps “assist” in the pattern field, but what do I put in the second field to render the pronunciation I want?

 

Thanks for any suggestions.

This is with Eloquence. I haven’t tried reading the word assistive with eSpeak.

 


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Nolan Darilek
 

On 12/8/2021 7:28 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:


Il 08/12/2021 13:20, Kenny Cheung ha scritto:
I was wondering, with this add-on, could it read what is displayed on a capture card for video games?
I'm similarly curious. Not sure if this is out of scope, but I wonder if this might gain functionality to replace the apparently now defunct LION live OCR addon?

Would be neat to put focus on something and have changes streamed as they arrive. In particular, I'm thinking of OCR for games where screen content changes and OCRing breaks up the flow a bit. Might need some controls for cropping and such, but it might make sense for something billing itself as "advanced OCR" rather than, say, "file OCR." :)

Either way, thanks a bunch for this. I'll be installing it soon.


Re: Basic Speech dictionary Question

Gene
 

I get the best results so far by using this spelling:
us istive
Using two s’s as
us sistive
works reasonably well but using just one s works better.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2021 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question
 
It slightly accents the first syllable but I don’t think that is the main reason it sounds not to your liking.  I think it is because it is pronouncing the a as a short a ant not as a short u, as it is actually pronounced in the word. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2021 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question
 

Yep it is. Ass ist.

😊

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: December 9, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Basic Speech dictionary Question

 

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:51 AM, Chris Smart wrote:

I need the first part to be spoken more like assist, without stress on the first syllable.

-
Just curious, as I don't have Eloquence, is it actually putting stress on the opening syllable of assist?  If it is, that's odd, as I've never heard any human being do anything other than an unstressed uh with stress "si" syllable.
 
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