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locked NVAccess Confirms: NVDA is NOT vulnerable to Log4j

Brian Moore
 

Hi.  So after a rather long fight, we got NVDA available for use at work.

This morning I got a question from the security folks about this one.

Log4Shell: How to detect the Log4j vulnerability in your applications | InfoWorld


I am fairly certain that NVDA is not impacted being written in python and not Java but it would be good to confirm if anyone knows for sure.


Thanks.

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sequencing in a list

Jon W Parsons
 

eIs there a way to have sequencing iin lists using NVDA?
For example, in a long list of items in a folder or in a list of email messages in an email client, I would like to know where I am in the list:  e.g. 23 of 100.


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Sarah k Alawami
 

There’s a solution to that.  Have a dialogue pop up that says, nvda will restart as x add ons are disabled. Ok, cancel. I personally would not use that feature but it would be nice if someone of us could do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

I doubt it will ever be.  When you disable an add-on, you must restart NVDA for the command to take effect.  While I would think that could be done when working with profiles, I doubt the developers would want to have NVDA automatically close and restart when a certain profile runs or stops running. 

 

Gene

On 12/12/2021 5:11 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

I think disableing an addon for specific profile is not yet  possible in NVDA.

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would be a fix if you can actually do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hmm, Ok, I might see if there is a github issue for this and submit one if there is not.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

I think disableing an addon for specific profile is not yet  possible in NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would be a fix if you can actually do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Gene
 

I doubt it will ever be.  When you disable an add-on, you must restart NVDA for the command to take effect.  While I would think that could be done when working with profiles, I doubt the developers would want to have NVDA automatically close and restart when a certain profile runs or stops running. 


Gene

On 12/12/2021 5:11 AM, abdul muhamin wrote:

I think disableing an addon for specific profile is not yet  possible in NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would be a fix if you can actually do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

abdul muhamin
 

I think disableing an addon for specific profile is not yet  possible in NVDA.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2021 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would be a fix if you can actually do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Simone Dal Maso
 


Il 11/12/2021 23:16, abdul muhamin ha scritto:

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r


Hello,

yes, in 2 3 days we think to publish a new version.

So you can define the nvda-shift-r of Nao on whatever you want.



Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 09:30 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if the command might be changed but for now, you aren't going to be using all add-ons simultaneously.
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Or, you'll be remapping certain input gestures where you can to get rid of conflicts.

But there is no way any individual add-on developer can or should know what other add-ons you may or may not be using, and there are a finite number of unused keyboard shortcuts, so it's not uncommon for two different developers to happen to have chosen the same one from that finite number.  And sometimes, they're not going to change the one they've chosen, so the choice is remapping an input gesture where possible, or enabling/disabling a given add-on or add-ons as necessary.
 
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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Gene
 

I don't know if the command might be changed but for now, you aren't going to be using all add-ons simultaneously.  You can disable one of the add-ons when you aren't using it.


Gene

On 12/11/2021 4:16 PM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: I'm having problems when i check for updates as well as the new advanced OCR ad-on for nvda?

 

Hi,

Regarding Add-on Updater and NAO, I'll write a clarifying post about exactly which add-ons Add-on Updater can check for updates next week as soon as I'm done with finals.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Jackie
 

Mack, likely not, as captchas are designed to be distorted so as not
to be readable by OCR software. Stymies the spammers, blocks the
blindies.

On 12/11/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would
be a fix if you can actually do this.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.



Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict
with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces
remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao
addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this
will be fixed in the next version!



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From: mcLeod stinnett <mailto:macks75205@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.







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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you set up a config profile that disables this add on in gw? This would be a fix if you can actually do this.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of abdul muhamin
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 2:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

abdul muhamin
 

Hi all, I’ve found another problem in the addon, this addon also conflict with the gold wave addon, pressing NVDA plus shift plus r announces remaining time for the currently editing track in gold wave, so if the nao addon is installed, this command is unuseable in gold wave. Hopefully, this will be fixed in the next version!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

 

 

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Re: NVDA 2021.3 Released!

 

David,

I respectfully request that you do not post the same question in two separate threads.  You have already been answered by myself and another member in the dedicated topic you created.

Also, you have been a member for a while, there have been many, many, many discussions about NVDA 2021.2 having issues with updating due to some involvement of Windows 10 certificates, all of which is fixed with NVDA 2021.3, which must be downloaded manually and installed rather than using NVDA's built-in updating functionality.  After that, things to back to normal.
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Re: I'm having problems when i check for updates as well as the new advanced OCR ad-on for nvda?

 

David,
 
I have a suspicion that you're still using NVDA 2021.2, which has well documented issues with updating under certain circumstances.

Manually download and install NVDA 2021.3, then report back.  There are, to my knowledge, no updates yet for NVDA Advanced OCR, and since it's not (yet) a part of the official NVDA add-ons or featured at the NVDA Add-Ons directory site (after all, it was just announced that it existed) it will probably be a while until Add-On Updater is handling this add-on.  But right now there's nothing to update.
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Re: I'm having problems when i check for updates as well as the new advanced OCR ad-on for nvda?

Chris
 

You mean nvda updates or windows updates?

 

If you are on nvda 21.2 then you need to download the 21.3 from the nvaccess site to update nvda manually

 

 

 

From: David Ingram
Sent: 11 December 2021 20:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I'm having problems when i check for updates as well as the new advanced OCR ad-on for nvda?

 

Hi list members, i seem to be having problems after launching nvda that i can’t seem to be able to check for updates on my windows 10 h2 machine.  I don’t remember having these problems befor, is there something that i need to do to fix this problem? Is there also something happening with the windows updates as well to cause any problems like the one that  i tried to describe?

 

 

 

 


I'm having problems when i check for updates as well as the new advanced OCR ad-on for nvda?

David Ingram
 

Hi list members, i seem to be having problems after launching nvda that i can’t seem to be able to check for updates on my windows 10 h2 machine. I don’t remember having these problems befor, is there something that i need to do to fix this problem? Is there also something happening with the windows updates as well to cause any problems like the one that i tried to describe?


Re: NVDA 2021.3 Released!

David Ingram
 

Hi Quentin, i’d like to know why i get an error message when trying to check nvea for updates, as well as not beeing able to see the new advanced OCR for nvda.  When i tried to find the ad-on i could find it but i was not sure whether the ad-on had been installed.  I’m also having a problem with something els that i heard that you can install it manually but i’m not sure what that was referring to.  I can be reached at dingram269@....  Thank you.

On Dec 10, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:

Hi.  I just updated NVDA manually through the "Check for updates" option in the "Help" menu because I wanted to get it right away and see if I was one of the people who got an error message when checking for updates.  I didn't get the error, but I'm not sure if I'll still get the automatic notification in the future.  I left that setting turned on, since that's the default, and I want it kept that way.

Thanks,

Louise


Instant speak out of printed material using a webcam with NVDA + LION OCR addon

Milton Charlton
 

Thanks to Shaun Everiss for posting the link to the LION addon (#86821).

 I set up an ordinary  1080p webcam (Microsoft Lifecam Studio) about 10 inches (25cm)  above a thick paperback book.  I arranged the book and camera so the book filled the screen as much as possible. The book was open at the middle and there was plenty of page curl near the spine.  Lighting was just ambient light from a desk lamp pointed at the ceiling. The LION OCR addon spoke out the left page and then the right page.  Except for the curl, this is similar to reading columns.   The accuracy was very good with only two or three misses.  This method would be good for a quick speak out of printed material that otherwise would be difficult or impossible to read.

I think any webcam display software such as the built-in Windows CAMERA app, Yawcam or IPEVO Visualizer will work for this job. It is not necessary to save any files with this method.


Re: new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

It is still Docuscan.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 08 December 2021 22:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

Actually, I have used one thing that did create the correct tables and charts in a scanned pdf that my teacher gave me. The program is no more now but I  successfully used this program to write and site correct page numbers of these scanned pdfs, and some were quite old. I dunno how it did it, but it tagged everything correctly. Ok, it didn’t describe the images that were present in the images but I didn’t need that at the time, just the text which was perfect. All headings were correct, tables, charts, etc. if anyone is interested the app was called docuscan. It has now been replaced by I forget what, but it just came out this year and I get the feeling I might need to use this in my studies over the next few years.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new addon: NVDA Advanced OCR.

 

On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 03:46 PM, Gene wrote:

But without experience of a large number of PDF documents, I wouldn’t assume that.

 

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Gene, I can say, with complete honesty, that I cannot count the number of PDF documents I've dealt with, and in the context of a screen reader.  The general hierarchy of accessibility has been:

1. Image Scanned - Inaccessible unless OCRed, and if OCRed, much depends on when as far as how well that works.

2. OCR processed by something designed to do so -  If it's a fairly modern OCR engine, things like columnar text are generally handled with very good flow.  If it was an early OCR engine, not so much.  Document will not have, to quote Mr. Moxley, "proper heading structure, table structures (with appropriately marked headers), accessible links, alt text etc."  OCR engines are generally not that sophisticated, though most can detect tables these days and set them up as such.

3. Created as PDF in a PDF Editor or MS-Word:  100% basic accessibility, but not necessarily "prettified" with all of the above noted features.  I've created quite a few tutorials in MS-Word that I've then saved as PDF that are one to maybe three pages long, and step by step, and I certainly never go to that level of elaboration because of what the content is and how it's to be accessed.  People creating things like church bulletins, flyers, and lots of other simple documents that are often of a "read once and then done" nature are unlikey to ever do so, either.

3. Created as PDF in a PDF Editor and of significant length, and intended for publication and/or a long archival life:  100% maximally accessible with all the features Mr. Moxley noted.

The fact of the matter is that I don't disagree with him, one bit, about what needs to be done to create a maximally accessible PDF if one is creating it from scratch and it is of any significant length.  What I do disagree with is that this is necessary for the vast majority of very short PDFs out there that may or may not have been created as such.

When it comes to PDFs, and particularly PDFs of unknown origin, it's completely unrealistic to call them inaccessible if they don't have the prettification.  I have scanned, and with OCR scanning at the time of scan, things like owner's manuals and service manuals that are hundreds of pages long.  They will not ever have all of the prettification because it's just not possible, but their text content is complete, and searchable.  That's accessible, and in most instances way more than just minimally accessible.

It's way faster for me to find what I'm looking for in these scanned PDFs because they are searchable than it is to find it using the source material, as often certain bits of information are put where you really wouldn't expect to find it and there's noting in the table of contents nor index or indices that would indicate that.  But if you know the term you're looking for, you can blaze through hundreds of pages very quickly using search functionality.  That's accessible whether you're doing this the sighted way or using a screen reader to do the same thing.  It may not be as nice as it would be had the source material been created as PDF, but there will never come a time where every PDF started out life that way nor where whatever was used to OCR it could possibly produce something with all the features in characteristic of PDF born as PDF.
 
There's basic accessibility and publisher-layout-quality accessibility.  They're not the same thing.  We should, of course, constantly encourage the use of publisher-layout-quality with regard to accessibility where such is warranted.  My 2-page flyer for next week's picnic, as a fictional example, would not be one of those times.  If it's entirely readable, in the expected order, that's good enough.

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