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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Gene
 

Unless there is an add-on to do this, there aren’t such predefined levels.  You have to set such things individually.  A lot of what we are discussing is in document formatting settings.  That’[s one reason I object to so much verbosity being on by default. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
NVDA does have verbosity levels, does it not?

I could have sworn that it did, and that they are somewhat analogous to the ones JAWS has.

You can selectively suppress a lot of what JAWS says, though that suppression happens with pre-defined clusters of announcements, you don't get to select at the object-type level.

I'm not questioning anyone's desires here, but also remember that the finer you make the granularity of announcement control the more complex you make the settings interface.  The one JAWS has would be an absolute nightmare were it not for the settings search feature.

By the way, that's something I definitely think that NVDA could use.  It would be so handy to have a search mechanism to let you zero in on a setting when you have no idea where in the hierarchy it may be tucked.
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Re: NVDA Features feedback

 

NVDA does have verbosity levels, does it not?

I could have sworn that it did, and that they are somewhat analogous to the ones JAWS has.

You can selectively suppress a lot of what JAWS says, though that suppression happens with pre-defined clusters of announcements, you don't get to select at the object-type level.

I'm not questioning anyone's desires here, but also remember that the finer you make the granularity of announcement control the more complex you make the settings interface.  The one JAWS has would be an absolute nightmare were it not for the settings search feature.

By the way, that's something I definitely think that NVDA could use.  It would be so handy to have a search mechanism to let you zero in on a setting when you have no idea where in the hierarchy it may be tucked.
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Sluggishness with LibraOffice Calc

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10, LibraOffice 7.2.4 and NVDA 2021.3.  with Calc, there is a great amount of sluggishness, as outlined below:

 

- With a spreadsheet open, each time I enter a number into a cell, there is like a 15 second delay before NVDA responds with the number entered.

 

- When using the enter or arrow keys after entering a number into a cell to move to a new cell, it takes like 15 seconds before NVDA responds.

 

- Generally, after performing any of the two above actions, the full file path and file name is spoken.

 

I do not have any special settings in either NVDA or LO.  When using JAWS and Excel, I experience none of this sluggishness.  So, what is causing this?

 

Thanks,

Richard


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Gene
 

There comes  a point where there is just to much verbiage.  NVDA already indicates listss on web pages.  I turn it off.  Others may wish to hear it.  I don’t recall if button is announced and that isn’t definable.  As far as Window is concerned, in what context and what is the benefit?  Any time you open a program or switch from program to program, you are in a different window.  If this option is given, I think it should be off by default.  I think there are some common sense things people should just know from training or inference or in some way.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
I think NVDA should have a configuration option that the user could configure if NVDA would say list, button, window, and so on.
 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Devin Prater
 

Yep, or even if the screen reader can grab any kind of label from the app, like TalkBack does on Android.
Devin Prater




On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 12:13 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 01:04 PM, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas wrote:
I find the option to name the buttons useless as we don't know the names of the buttons
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You know, there are times where asking a sighted assistant, then applying a label that will then stick, is necessary.  It's really, really handy to have that capability.  And it's the very reason it was created.

It's very often a three second ask for a sighted ID, and however long it then takes you to apply the label via the screen reader.  You sometimes never get a fix if you report the issue to the developer, and if it's only one odd button or two that are problematic, it makes no sense to throw a perfectly good baby out with the bathwater when a functional workaround is available.
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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

remembering that there would be several checkboxes for the user to choose if NVDA would say list, window or button

Em qua., 15 de dez. de 2021 às 13:26, Eduardo Fermiano Luccas <25102008luccas@...> escreveu:

I think NVDA should have a configuration option that the user could configure if NVDA would say list, button, window, and so on.

Em qua., 15 de dez. de 2021 às 13:22, Gene <gsasner@...> escreveu:
If its going to say anything, I would think enter is what should be said.  Return is only the effect of pressing enter in certain contexts.  And what about people who want to hear it not just in word or text writing applications?  I think the solution is to have a definable speak commands key function.  Now, the user can’t define what is or isn’t spoken.;  Every key, the arrow keys, enter, tab, nvda key when used with another modifier such as control, backspace every time you press it before the letter being removed is announced, control when used with other keys, and I would imagine others ai haven’t thought of, are spoken.  Its maddening unless you require to hear all this for some reason.  It makes the feature useless for most people.
 
If adding this definability is easy and requires little work, the following doesn’t matter.  If it would be enough work to amount to something, it might be a good idea to take a poll of users to see if the demand justifies the work when compared with the need for other work to be done. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
Hello,

Speak the carriage return character at all times when entering or reading text.   You can say ‘carriage return’ or ’new line’.


Mani
 







Re: NVDA Features feedback

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

I think NVDA should have a configuration option that the user could configure if NVDA would say list, button, window, and so on.

Em qua., 15 de dez. de 2021 às 13:22, Gene <gsasner@...> escreveu:

If its going to say anything, I would think enter is what should be said.  Return is only the effect of pressing enter in certain contexts.  And what about people who want to hear it not just in word or text writing applications?  I think the solution is to have a definable speak commands key function.  Now, the user can’t define what is or isn’t spoken.;  Every key, the arrow keys, enter, tab, nvda key when used with another modifier such as control, backspace every time you press it before the letter being removed is announced, control when used with other keys, and I would imagine others ai haven’t thought of, are spoken.  Its maddening unless you require to hear all this for some reason.  It makes the feature useless for most people.
 
If adding this definability is easy and requires little work, the following doesn’t matter.  If it would be enough work to amount to something, it might be a good idea to take a poll of users to see if the demand justifies the work when compared with the need for other work to be done. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
Hello,

Speak the carriage return character at all times when entering or reading text.   You can say ‘carriage return’ or ’new line’.


Mani
 







Re: NVDA Features feedback

Gene
 

If its going to say anything, I would think enter is what should be said.  Return is only the effect of pressing enter in certain contexts.  And what about people who want to hear it not just in word or text writing applications?  I think the solution is to have a definable speak commands key function.  Now, the user can’t define what is or isn’t spoken.;  Every key, the arrow keys, enter, tab, nvda key when used with another modifier such as control, backspace every time you press it before the letter being removed is announced, control when used with other keys, and I would imagine others ai haven’t thought of, are spoken.  Its maddening unless you require to hear all this for some reason.  It makes the feature useless for most people.
 
If adding this definability is easy and requires little work, the following doesn’t matter.  If it would be enough work to amount to something, it might be a good idea to take a poll of users to see if the demand justifies the work when compared with the need for other work to be done. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
Hello,

Speak the carriage return character at all times when entering or reading text.   You can say ‘carriage return’ or ’new line’.


Mani
 







Re: NVDA Features feedback

 

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 12:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect that at times, you can’t maintain compatibility with old programs or versions of Windows while making NVDA work well with new versions because of changes in the new programs.  But I don’t think you benefit people in the best way by applying an arbitrary rule.
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What I call "accidental backward compatibility," which means that a piece of software remains backward compatible in its newest or next upcoming version with zero effort expended to maintain that is one thing.  Having to go through all sorts of coding gyrations to maintain it with something that's very old and out of support is entirely another.

When it comes to maintaining backward compatibility that's not accidental, it always involves arbitrary lines.  One can have a legitimate discussion of where those lines should be drawn, but there cannot be a situation where no lines are drawn.  We'd be trying to maintain backward compatibility to Win 3.1 or DOS if no lines were drawn along the way.

It all comes back to the fact, and it is a fact, that both software and hardware do have, and should have, finite service lives.  Determining "how finite" is always going to be an ongoing discussion, frequently for software, and occasionally (see Windows 11 hardware requirements) for hardware.
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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Gene
 
Edited

That’s true.  This might not matter for a good while, but as time goes by, it may become necessary or desirable to run the current version and an older version to support certain programs better.  I don’t recall what the portable version can’t do that the installed version can in enough detail to know if that might be a problem. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 

Hi Gene,

One fact though, if someone for some reason decided to use legacy apps, they could always continue to use an old version of NVDA.

On 12/14/2021 11:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I haven’t followed fixes in NVDA for unsupported programs.  But I think these questions need to be considered when deciding what to support:
How many people are using these old programs and why?  NVDA is used all over the world and blind people of all economic circumstances use it.  There may be good reasons some people are using old versions of programs and Windows.  Is fixing problems in how NVDA works with a specific program worth the time in terms of how many people benefit versus the things that are undone as a result?  At some point, even if the needs of people are taken into account, it may become so difficult and time consuming to fix problems or keep NVDA compatible that the effort would be given up even if [enough people would benefit to have justified such fixes in the past.  I suspect that at times, you can’t maintain compatibility with old programs or versions of Windows while making NVDA work well with new versions because of changes in the new programs.  But I don’t think you benefit people in the best way by applying an arbitrary rule.
 
Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 

better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

On 12/14/2021 5:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Sarah k Alawami
 
Edited

Not necessarily. When nvda quits supporting version of windows that these people are using they will be in a word SOL. It’s happening now to a small degree.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 4:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

Hi Gene,

One fact though, if someone for some reason decided to use legacy apps, they could always continue to use an old version of NVDA.

On 12/14/2021 11:31 PM, Gene wrote:

I haven’t followed fixes in NVDA for unsupported programs.  But I think these questions need to be considered when deciding what to support:

How many people are using these old programs and why?  NVDA is used all over the world and blind people of all economic circumstances use it.  There may be good reasons some people are using old versions of programs and Windows.  Is fixing problems in how NVDA works with a specific program worth the time in terms of how many people benefit versus the things that are undone as a result?  At some point, even if the needs of people are taken into account, it may become so difficult and time consuming to fix problems or keep NVDA compatible that the effort would be given up even if [enough people would benefit to have justified such fixes in the past.  I suspect that at times, you can’t maintain compatibility with old programs or versions of Windows while making NVDA work well with new versions because of changes in the new programs.  But I don’t think you benefit people in the best way by applying an arbitrary rule.

 

Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:58 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

On 12/14/2021 5:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes 

 

 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Mani Iyer
 

Hello,

Speak the carriage return character at all times when entering or reading text. You can say ‘carriage return’ or ’new line’.


Mani


Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

 

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 09:14 AM, Dave Grossoehme wrote:
However, what is going to happen if you have someone that doesn't have the knowledge to make a change like this?
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It's happening, now.

My main point is that having random end users make hacks (and, yes, that's what these are, even if they're exactly what the official maintainer would need to do) is no way to keep something functioning over the long term.

Some add-ons will die, because the simple manifest tweak is not going to be all that's needed as time marches on.  That is unless someone picks up the ones that have been walked away from by their original developers.  And for that to happen there needs to be enough community demand for someone to want to dedicate their time and effort.

Not every piece of software, and that includes NVDA Add-Ons, has a perpetual service life.  There are quite a few add-ons in use that were (and this is no insult) throw-together items made by some very creative user who needed something that didn't exist who decided to share it with the world.  But those users are often no longer with us for any one of a multitude of reasons.

I'm sure that there are certain add-ons that have a very tiny user base compared to the NVDA user base as a whole.  And if their developers cease to maintain them, they are, effectively, the walking dead of software.  Eventually, they will break in a way that will not be fixed.

"In support" is much like "pregnant."  Either you are, or you aren't.
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Re: Issue Installing the Application Dictionary Add-On

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  I have to agree %100 with you Bryan.  However, what is going to happen if you have someone that doesn't have the knowledge to make a change like this?

Dave G


On 12/7/2021 12:54 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 12:40 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Have you tried to change the manifest.ini?
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No, and not because I doubt that I could edit it.  But that's not a solution.

Add-ons are either being maintained, by someone (not necessarily their original developers), or they're not.

While I greatly appreciate the manifest editing workarounds you've provided, those are still not a permanent solution to what I hope is a temporary problem.  If an add-on has been abandoned it should be able to be picked up by anyone who wishes to maintain it based on the licensing requirements that NVDA (wisely) insists upon.

If the manifest needs to be edited, or something else needs to be done, the official maintainers need to be doing it.
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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Monte Single
 
Edited

This narrator / mail combo sounds great.

 

I’ll try it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: December 15, 2021 6:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

Also, better outlook support.

 

Just load Narrator, turn on it’s experimental Outlook Efficiency mode, and see how it should be done. It reads an Email when you open it, without re-reading the subject, to and from fields, etc, and it doesn’t fail to automatically read the whole Email, whether it is text or HTML.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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Re: NVDA Features feedback

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi Gene,

One fact though, if someone for some reason decided to use legacy apps, they could always continue to use an old version of NVDA.

On 12/14/2021 11:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I haven’t followed fixes in NVDA for unsupported programs.  But I think these questions need to be considered when deciding what to support:
How many people are using these old programs and why?  NVDA is used all over the world and blind people of all economic circumstances use it.  There may be good reasons some people are using old versions of programs and Windows.  Is fixing problems in how NVDA works with a specific program worth the time in terms of how many people benefit versus the things that are undone as a result?  At some point, even if the needs of people are taken into account, it may become so difficult and time consuming to fix problems or keep NVDA compatible that the effort would be given up even if [enough people would benefit to have justified such fixes in the past.  I suspect that at times, you can’t maintain compatibility with old programs or versions of Windows while making NVDA work well with new versions because of changes in the new programs.  But I don’t think you benefit people in the best way by applying an arbitrary rule.
 
Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2021 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 

better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

On 12/14/2021 5:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes

 

Às 04:00 de 14/12/2021, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
I've collated the feedback I've gotten so far from Derek, Bhavya and Joseph.  I've included an overview below and a spreadsheet attached with the full responses:
 
Bhavya:
3 Areas:
- Microsoft Office support (content creation but did not elaborate) and responsiveness
- Freezes and crashes (frustratingly again without examples)
- Portable copies - no issues with it, it's one thing he has observed people LOVE about NVDA and suggests if there are suggestions or ways we could improve this, it would be worthwhile.


Derek:
- Web and Browse mode improvements, especially for modern features such as infinite lists, and why does a tree view hide everything from Browse mode?  Also not tolerant enough of where people have incorrectly marked things up which inadvertently make it impossible for all but very advanced users to navigate.
- Integration with other AT such as speech (input?) and switch access, building on things such as dictation bridge.  (Incorporated praise for features such as sticky keys out of the box which we are the only screen reader to do apparently).
- "Computer Vision" to do things like auto label buttons, auto OCR, present hidden content etc
- since live region abuse is so common, add the ability to block a live region.
- Better support for Google docs, eg quick nav mode.
- Start doing more with the speech refactor we put so much effort into.  For instance to replace some speech with earcons.
- Windows store version - both to prove we are modern and worthy of Windows continued support, and to reassure companies worried about security.

Joseph Lee:
- What we did well in 2021 was communication and keeping up with technology, and with improvements to documentation of issues etc, and our improvements to Office.
- Listening to stakeholders and especially the movement towards the add-on store is another great achievement.

Two key areas for 2022:
- Communication: More documentation through source code
- Research relevance (mostly in terms of people who are researching us or the history of screen readers?)

Anatoliy (Thinking and will get back to me)
 
 
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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Steve Nutt
 
Edited

Also, better outlook support.

 

Just load Narrator, turn on it’s experimental Outlook Efficiency mode, and see how it should be done. It reads an Email when you open it, without re-reading the subject, to and from fields, etc, and it doesn’t fail to automatically read the whole Email, whether it is text or HTML.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: 15 December 2021 03:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

better support for Microsoft office, especially the editor and spellcheck, fixes for performance losses.

Better support for Firefox, fixes for large table Firefox lags and other Firefox lags.

abandonment of legacy applications. I feel NVAccess should develop a support policy for applications that have no official support, and stick to it. There is no reason why anyone should be using Windows 7, office 2003/2007/2010 etc, and time shouldn't be spent on fixing bugs in obsolete technologies.

On 12/14/2021 5:34 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

 

1 - Better support for Libre Office or Open Office;

2 - Possibility of easily label controls not labelled by develloper;

3 - Better control of what is announced by pressing a key. Take as example Narrator.

 

Rui Fontes


Golden Cursor

juergenkohler23@...
 

Hello,
 
I am using the NVDA 21.3 version and have downloaded the latest version of the Golden Cursor addon, which raises some questions for me.
In the Golden Cursor settings in the NVDA menu, there is a check mark next to "Announce new mouse coordinates as soon as the mouse moves". However, when I move the mouse, I hear nothing. Even with the key combination Windows+NVDA+S I can't seem to change anything. I do get a message that the function is switched on or off, but even when it is switched on I do not get the desired information. I can have the pixel coordinates announced via Windows+NVDA+P, but with Shift+NVDA+I I cannot seem to save the coordinates or assign them to the active application.
Even when I navigate on the button in a browser and want to save the mouse position of the button, nothing happens with Shift+NVDA+I.
With Windows+NVDA+C I guess I can switch between some units; but what are they? I only get incomprehensible numerical values...
If I press NVDA+Windows+R, the mouse movement is supposed to be restricted to one application; however, I can still move the mouse as I like...
Can someone explain this to me or have I misunderstood something?
 
I would be very grateful for your help/explanations!


Re: a script's question

Rui Fontes
 

Hi Alexandre!


That question is more suited to add-ons or development list...


I think you need to make a function bind to the arrow key where first is executed your code and then you send the keystroke to the system...


Rui Fontes


Às 09:39 de 15/12/2021, Alexandre Alves Toco escreveu:

Hello!

Wen we press the arrow up key in a text field, nvda will read the new line's content.

So I assume there is an script that is started by this key press.

Now, how do I manage to write a arrow up key script and make nvda to say a text and continue to do exactly what it did before I wrote my script?

I want to use it for some tests.


So my general questions are:

1. how can I know what script is performed when a key press or an event occur if no custon scripts are installed?

2. Is it possible to write a custom scritp and call the original one inside it?






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