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locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Odd, I didn’t have to do that, they just worked, and have been working since, when ever I started using gmail’s shortcuts. Probably in  2017 when my hard drive on my work computer got hosed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You have to turn keyboard shortcuts on.

  This is a Google web page snippet.  If you have problems doing what is directed, let us know.

 

1

Open Gmail .

2

At the top right, click Settings. See all settings.

3

Scroll to the Keyboard shortcuts section and select Keyboard shortcuts on.

4

At the bottom, click Save Changes.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

 

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, you are supposed to go into focus mode then you can use the key strokes such as * a and * x or what not  to select stuff. It’s like twitter’s g n and g h to navigate, all of this in focus mode.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

 

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah it’s not screen review but it is, but it isn’t. Many users try and use screen review to navigate lst’s say note pad where regular arrows will do. I never use the screen review navigator  to get around programs unless tab or what not is not working and object nav in screen review isn’t working. When I review a program on my podcasts I never ever switch to object view as the cursers are set up to follow each other. Then I might just start tabbing again. Like I said I can’t explain what I use and how, It just works.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:49 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it’s not a preference.

-
Sarah,

For the love of heaven, please pay attention to what you're replying to.

You wrote, of someone else, "They know how to use most of nvda and other screen reader functions but they prefer the arrows."

To which I responded that this is a preference, and it's not a problem, so long as they're aware of their options.

You also wrote, of yourself, in another topic, message   : I stick to screen review everywhere

That's as direct a statement as there is.  Yes, it could have been a write-o where you meant avoid rather than stick to, but as written it directly states a strong preference for screen review.

Several messages later ( ) you say just the opposite, which was not even present when I made my response.  You really need to watch what you're writing for consistency, as this is an example of a bloody mess.  No one can follow it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Gene
 

I don’t know how useful this setting is, but there is a setting in browse mode settings to trap all nonbrowse mode commands and keep them from reaching the program when you are in browse mode.  That is the default setting.  The wording in the dialog is as follows:
Trap all non-command gestures from reaching the document.  The tone you hear indicates that a nonbrowse mode command has been trapped.  If you turn this off, a nonbrowse mode command, issued in browse mode, can reach the web site. 
 
Browse mode commands are treated as browse mode commands and never reach the web site, regardless of how the trap setting is set.
 
There are so many quick navigation settings that I doubt turning off trapping of commands matters most of the time, but there may be times when it is very convenient to be able to do so.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:48 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.
-
And, if memory serves, this is true of all web app keyboard shortcuts when using NVDA.  If you're not in focus mode, and not in an edit box, when you issue them in most cases you'll just get the error tone, but if you so happen to use a single character shortcut for the web app that's also an NVDA browse mode shortcut, it will execute that as a browse mode shortcut.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA speaking numbers

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:10 PM, JinYoun wrote:
Now, what is the read character key?
-
Desktop Layout:  numpad2           Laptop layout:  NVDA + .

You really need to get used to bringing up the NVDA Commands Quick Reference when you have a question about NVDA commands.  All of the most common ones, plus a number of the less frequently used ones, are right there.

NVDA + N, H, Q

Search on "Report current character in review" for the full description, including the above noted keyboard shortcuts. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA speaking numbers

JinYoun
 

Ah, ok. Now, what is the read character key? heehee 
Thanks so much  


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:48 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.
-
And, if memory serves, this is true of all web app keyboard shortcuts when using NVDA.  If you're not in focus mode, and not in an edit box, when you issue them in most cases you'll just get the error tone, but if you so happen to use a single character shortcut for the web app that's also an NVDA browse mode shortcut, it will execute that as a browse mode shortcut.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:44 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Still no response to the keys though.
-
When you are in the Gmail webmail window, and you know that the keyboard shortcuts setting is on, what happens if you type the question mark?
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Question about an add-on

 

Hi,

The closest equivalent to object navigation in JAWS world is touch cursor.

The easiest analogy I use when explaining object navigation (or for that matter, object hierarchy) is website layout, specifically the relationship between a web document, a list of elements, and items within a list.

To answer the original question: to my knowledge, there is no widely used add-on to let you use Numpad arrow keys to move the mouse (the closest we have is Mouse Keys feature in Windows). A similar functionality to move the mosue using regular arrow keys can be achieved via Golden Cursor add-on (I am the last maintainer, and I passed the add-on to the community weeks ago; that is, I have no intention to maintain that add-on unless this is the last resort).

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Does NVDA have the type of tutorials that you are talking about here below?
I am not aware of an NVDA tutorial covering the use of web apps put out by nvaccess, but others in the community have done this. I've put out a few tutorials for web apps at my YouTube channel, for example. Check out the channel and any videos on that channel at youtube.com/blindtechadventures. There are videos there for accessing Gmail with standard mode, accessing Facebook, using Google Docs, etc.


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Gene
 

I don’t know what is causing the problem.  Others may have an idea.  I don’t think this should matter but I seldom have used Internet site keyboarde shortcuts and I may be wrong.  Have you tried them both with browse mode on and off? 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 

Yep, I had done that already but just double checked and it says keyboard shortcuts are on.  Still no response to the keys though.


Do I need to use another key with the indicated shortcut keys?  I have tried alt and ctrl but still nothing.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 12:16 PM, Gene wrote:
You have to turn keyboard shortcuts on.
  This is a Google web page snippet.  If you have problems doing what is directed, let us know.
 
1
Open Gmail .
2
At the top right, click Settings. See all settings.
3
Scroll to the Keyboard shortcuts section and select Keyboard shortcuts on.
4
At the bottom, click Save Changes.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

 

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Do I need to use another key with the indicated shortcut keys?
No, you don't. Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.

Thanks.



locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Yep, I had done that already but just double checked and it says keyboard shortcuts are on.  Still no response to the keys though.


Do I need to use another key with the indicated shortcut keys?  I have tried alt and ctrl but still nothing.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 12:16 PM, Gene wrote:
You have to turn keyboard shortcuts on.
  This is a Google web page snippet.  If you have problems doing what is directed, let us know.
 
1
Open Gmail .
2
At the top right, click Settings. See all settings.
3
Scroll to the Keyboard shortcuts section and select Keyboard shortcuts on.
4
At the bottom, click Save Changes.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.


Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Laurie Mehta
 

Hi Nimer and others,

Does NVDA have the type of tutorials that you are talking about here below?

Thanks for any information on these!

-LM

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else.

Web apps are relatively new, and provide screen reader users enhancements above and beyond what basic HTML offers. Web apps allow you to get a much less cluttered experience, which in many cases, is more efficient. Consider, for instance, facebook.com as an example. While it is true that you can arrow throughout the entire site, and you can navigate by HTML elements, you will immediately find that you get overwhelmed if you do so, because of all the stuff on the page. However, if you use its built-in keyboard shortcuts in web app mode, you will discover that you can easily jump between posts, comment on one with a single letter command, post a status with a single letter command, etc. This goes for Twitter, YouTube and YouTube Music, Gmail, Office 365, and a growing number of other sites. Simply making the statement that you're happy using the web in HTML mode will make you less productive, less efficient, and will make you want to rip your hairs out with a very many number of sites.

 

Please, I urge you, consider getting training on the use of web apps. If your trainer doesn't know about, care about, or bother to teach them, give them a bad review and request another. If you learn best without a trainer, then please consider looking up information on how to access your web app of choice with its built-in keyboard commands.

 

I do think that screen reader vendors need to also build in specific tutorials and guides in their manuals specific to web apps, as they have done for Word, Excel, and some other apps, and as they have done with the web in general. Freedom Scientific is ahead on this, as they've put together some tutorials on some common web apps like Gmail.

 

Nonetheless, I cannot emphasize any more than I already am, the vital importance that learning and getting comfortable with web apps will impact your screen reader usage on a growing number of sites.


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Gene
 

You have to turn keyboard shortcuts on.
  This is a Google web page snippet.  If you have problems doing what is directed, let us know.
 
1
Open Gmail .
2
At the top right, click Settings. See all settings.
3
Scroll to the Keyboard shortcuts section and select Keyboard shortcuts on.
4
At the bottom, click Save Changes.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.


Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.


Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?


Thanks.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: Problem while connected orbit reader with USB Hid Mode... with latest nvda version

Ali Colak
 

Turning off emulate vario ultra and switching to regular HİD seems
to do the trick.

On 12/14/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,

Can you try NVDA 2021.3.1 RC 1 and see if that makes a difference?

Cheers,

Joseph






Re: NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:49 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Actually it’s not a preference.
-
Sarah,

For the love of heaven, please pay attention to what you're replying to.

You wrote, of someone else, "They know how to use most of nvda and other screen reader functions but they prefer the arrows."

To which I responded that this is a preference, and it's not a problem, so long as they're aware of their options.

You also wrote, of yourself, in another topic, message   : I stick to screen review everywhere

That's as direct a statement as there is.  Yes, it could have been a write-o where you meant avoid rather than stick to, but as written it directly states a strong preference for screen review.

Several messages later ( ) you say just the opposite, which was not even present when I made my response.  You really need to watch what you're writing for consistency, as this is an example of a bloody mess.  No one can follow it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it’s not a preference. I don’t use screen review at all, unless I have to, I just, well, see the prior subject  as I can’t explain it at all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:56 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

They know how to use most of nvda and other screen reader functions but they prefer the arrows.

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In which case, they've made an informed choice that suits them.  Chacun à son goût.

It's ignorance of one's options that's almost never good.  But choosing any one of them in full knowledge of what options exist is not up for debate.  Witness your own strong preference for screen review and only screen review.
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Re: Question about an add-on

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, I don’t even use screen review. I can’t really explain it, but I really don’t see a difference. I use up and down arrow with the keyboard everywhere I go. I only use object nav in screen review mode to get around if I really must. I never could explain what I meant all these years. Arrows work correctly no matter where you are. So there really is no difference in how you navigate. Again I’m really struggling for words here so bare with me. I navigate notepad, jarte, etc, outlook with the arrows, and not object or screen review. I navigate qrz.com with  document view as there are things that the arrows will miss for what ever reason.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about an add-on

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:01 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually I never switch views. I stick to screen review  everywhere I to. I don’t find myself having a different experience in each when I use arrows. I’m not sure why it is suggested to switch back and forth like this as for me there really is no difference, at all.

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And that could be because you've trained yourself to "get to everything I want to" using screen review mode.  And there's nothing wrong with that.

But I do think that someone new to NVDA does need to be aware of the modes and play around with each before settling on the one they prefer, or using toggling as Gene suggests.

The only "right way" here is whatever suits you best after you've had a chance to acquaint yourself with the available modes and how they behave.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

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