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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually it kind of is not for me. I just use standard windows commands to get around, hardly do I use the 3 views mentioned, or two depending on where you  are, unless I have to get inside of an object. That sounded weird when I typed that, but yeah, same with other screen readers, arrows all the way unless I need to use other cursers so to speak. I’m actually surprised nvda does not announce when it switches views. I think this would alleviate some of the confusion I have.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah it’s not screen review but it is, but it isn’t.

-
Sarah, in the context of NVDA, there are three review modes:

  1. Object Review
  2. Document review
  3. Screen review


You are in one of those at any given moment in time.

So it either "is" or "isn't," it can't be both.  It's actually got to be one, and it sounds like Document review.  From the NVDA User guide:

5.6.2. Document Review

When the navigator object is within a browse mode document (e.g. web page) or other complex document (e.g. a Lotus Symphony document), it is possible to switch to the document review mode. The document review mode allows you to review the text of the entire document.

When switching from object review to document review, the review cursor is placed in the document at the position of the navigator object. When moving around the document with review commands, the navigator object is automatically updated to the object found at the current review cursor position.

Note that NVDA will switch to document review from object review automatically when moving around browse mode documents.

--------------
Auto-switching still means that, at any given moment in time, you are still only in one review mode.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

The "cash register"/teletype sound indicates focus mode.  (Analogous to edit mode in JAWS, if I'm recaling correctly)
Focus mode is equivalent to forms mode in JAWS, and JAWS has a separate ability to turn off the virtual PC cursor, which is also equivalent of focus mode.
The beep indicates browse mode  (Analogous to forms mode in JAWS).
This is actually forms mode off, or Browse mode in JAWS, or Virtual PC Cursor on.


Re: Sluggishness with LibraOffice Calc

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Richard

It’s an NVDA feature, use NVDA+2 (Numrow) to toggle the speaking of typed characters, NVDA+3 (NumRow) toggles speaking typed words.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 16 December 2021 17:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sluggishness with LibraOffice Calc

 

Hi Chris!

 

For the “Speak typed characters” option, exactly *there* can I engage that?  Is it in NVDA or LO?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sluggishness with LibraOffice Calc

 

Hi

NVDA and LO.Calc is not a match made in heaven but I can generally cope with it.  The fact that the full file path and file name is spoken when moving between cells is an annoyance that can be silenced with the control key.  I don’t seem to get the sluggishness you are encountering, I tend to have “Speak typed characters” on so the numbers are read out as I type, then I press the right arrow to exit the cell, then if necessary, press left arrow to move focus back to the cell just input to check the value.  Sounds a bit clunky I know but the left/right arrows do react quickly for me.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Richard B. McDonald
Sent: 15 December 2021 16:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sluggishness with LibraOffice Calc

 

Hi!

 

I am using Windows 10, LibraOffice 7.2.4 and NVDA 2021.3.  with Calc, there is a great amount of sluggishness, as outlined below:

 

- With a spreadsheet open, each time I enter a number into a cell, there is like a 15 second delay before NVDA responds with the number entered.

 

- When using the enter or arrow keys after entering a number into a cell to move to a new cell, it takes like 15 seconds before NVDA responds.

 

- Generally, after performing any of the two above actions, the full file path and file name is spoken.

 

I do not have any special settings in either NVDA or LO.  When using JAWS and Excel, I experience none of this sluggishness.  So, what is causing this?

 

Thanks,

Richard

 

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Devin Prater
 

I use Gmail Standard view for all of my email needs. Reading threads with it is a joy that no desktop apps have ever been able to come close to. Apple's Mac Mail app comes close, but sometimes mail in threads is skipped, or it doesn't get to the end before reaching the edge of the list of messages in the thread.
Devin Prater




On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:46 PM Dan Beaver <dbeaver888@...> wrote:

Ok, it is working now.  I was using browse mode and that definitely does not work.  Now in focus mode and it works just great.


Thanks to all for your suggestions.


Google standard view is now my normal web email default even though I seldom use it except to see if I have spam emails.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 12:47 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Do I need to use another key with the indicated shortcut keys?
No, you don't. Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.

Thanks.


-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 
Edited

Howard (et. al.)

The "cash register"/teletype sound indicates focus mode.  (Analogous to edit mode in JAWS, if I'm recalling correctly)

The beep indicates browse mode  (Analogous to forms mode in JAWS).
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Devin Prater
 

You know, I think someone, Brian, said they'd like a beep to be played for a blank line, rather than the word blank. And I know no one is gonna come across this in daily usage, but try to pick out, using the up and down arrow keys only, which one of the following lines are blank or not.


blank

blank
blank

So, as you can hear, there are no difference, because NVDA just literally sends "blank" to the voice you're using.

Devin Prater




On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:43 AM Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:
What Brian says below is most of the story about CR and LF, but there's
some additional twist. The distinction between CR and LF isn't used on
modern systems, but it's still present as a difference between Operating
Systems.

Windows usually uses a CR-LF sequence where Unix/Linux uses only LF.
Originally, the Mac used CR only as far as I remember, but switched to
LF. Various Internet standards require CR-LF, others are more lenient
and work with the various combinations.

Advanced plaintext editors and similar software can handle all
conventions, and have functionality to detect, maintain, or change the
convention. But some plaintext editors, in particular Notepad on
Windows, don't. So if you open a file from Linux in Notepad, it will
look as if it doesn't have any  line breaks.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2021-12-16 06:33, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 02:06 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>
>>
>> I was taught that return and a new line are not the same thing.
>
> -
> That both is, and is not, true based upon the context.  I am probably one of "the oldsters" here, just a hair shy of 60, and started in computing when punchcards were still in use as were tractor feed printers.
>
> And most of the differences came into play when talking about a tractor feed printer.
>
> There was the carriage return, usually referred to with CR, which did just that: Move the print head (carriage) back to the left margin of the current line without feeding the paper.
>
> There was the line feed, usually referred to with LF, which did just that: Feed the paper without moving the print head position.
>
> There was the CR-LF combo, what we now think of and get, in practice, if we hit the Enter or Return key (and they are labeled as both, it depends on the keyboard).  There is, of course, no paper involved, but conceptually you are returning the carriage to its leftmost position and feeding the virtual paper up by a single line (or however your line spacing is set).  In writing systems that read right to left, substitute right for left.
>
> There is really no point in trying to separate out Return or Enter in any modern computing context.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>
> *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>
> ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States ( https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html ) , September 23, 2019






Re: NVDA Features feedback

Devin Prater
 

I think they actually fixed that in Notepad about a year ago.
Devin Prater




On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:43 AM Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:
What Brian says below is most of the story about CR and LF, but there's
some additional twist. The distinction between CR and LF isn't used on
modern systems, but it's still present as a difference between Operating
Systems.

Windows usually uses a CR-LF sequence where Unix/Linux uses only LF.
Originally, the Mac used CR only as far as I remember, but switched to
LF. Various Internet standards require CR-LF, others are more lenient
and work with the various combinations.

Advanced plaintext editors and similar software can handle all
conventions, and have functionality to detect, maintain, or change the
convention. But some plaintext editors, in particular Notepad on
Windows, don't. So if you open a file from Linux in Notepad, it will
look as if it doesn't have any  line breaks.

Regards,   Martin.

On 2021-12-16 06:33, Brian Vogel via groups.io wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 02:06 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>
>>
>> I was taught that return and a new line are not the same thing.
>
> -
> That both is, and is not, true based upon the context.  I am probably one of "the oldsters" here, just a hair shy of 60, and started in computing when punchcards were still in use as were tractor feed printers.
>
> And most of the differences came into play when talking about a tractor feed printer.
>
> There was the carriage return, usually referred to with CR, which did just that: Move the print head (carriage) back to the left margin of the current line without feeding the paper.
>
> There was the line feed, usually referred to with LF, which did just that: Feed the paper without moving the print head position.
>
> There was the CR-LF combo, what we now think of and get, in practice, if we hit the Enter or Return key (and they are labeled as both, it depends on the keyboard).  There is, of course, no paper involved, but conceptually you are returning the carriage to its leftmost position and feeding the virtual paper up by a single line (or however your line spacing is set).  In writing systems that read right to left, substitute right for left.
>
> There is really no point in trying to separate out Return or Enter in any modern computing context.
> --
>
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
>
> *Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*
>
> ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States ( https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html ) , September 23, 2019






locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Howard Traxler
 

Which is focus mode and, of course, the other is browse mode?  One makes a sound like a cash register and the other makes a simple beep.  At the cash register sound is when you can type into an edit box.  After the beep, you can use shortcut keys and arrows, etc., to navigate.  But I don't know the name for which mode.

Howard

On 12/17/2021 12:44 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No, you are supposed to go into focus mode then you can use the key strokes such as * a and * x or what not  to select stuff. It’s like twitter’s g n and g h to navigate, all of this in focus mode.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Dan Beaver
*Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 9:08 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

Thanks.

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for
move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read
with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is
actually a very good experience.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you
complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an
e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to
learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been
intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and
practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps
alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r.

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical
assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such
as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use
regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t
use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For
example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What
if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to
search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would
be to my advantage to learn the shortcut.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

*From:* Dzhovani <mailto:dzhovani.chemishanov@...>

*Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use
their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll
pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is
reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations,
there effects, and side effects actually matter.

--
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Yeah it’s not screen review but it is, but it isn’t.
-
Sarah, in the context of NVDA, there are three review modes:
  1. Object Review
  2. Document review
  3. Screen review

You are in one of those at any given moment in time.

So it either "is" or "isn't," it can't be both.  It's actually got to be one, and it sounds like Document review.  From the NVDA User guide:

5.6.2. Document Review

When the navigator object is within a browse mode document (e.g. web page) or other complex document (e.g. a Lotus Symphony document), it is possible to switch to the document review mode. The document review mode allows you to review the text of the entire document.

When switching from object review to document review, the review cursor is placed in the document at the position of the navigator object. When moving around the document with review commands, the navigator object is automatically updated to the object found at the current review cursor position.

Note that NVDA will switch to document review from object review automatically when moving around browse mode documents.

--------------
Auto-switching still means that, at any given moment in time, you are still only in one review mode.

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Dan Beaver
 

Ok, it is working now.  I was using browse mode and that definitely does not work.  Now in focus mode and it works just great.


Thanks to all for your suggestions.


Google standard view is now my normal web email default even though I seldom use it except to see if I have spam emails.


Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 12:47 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Do I need to use another key with the indicated shortcut keys?
No, you don't. Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.

Thanks.


-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Odd, I didn’t have to do that, they just worked, and have been working since, when ever I started using gmail’s shortcuts. Probably in  2017 when my hard drive on my work computer got hosed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You have to turn keyboard shortcuts on.

  This is a Google web page snippet.  If you have problems doing what is directed, let us know.

 

1

Open Gmail .

2

At the top right, click Settings. See all settings.

3

Scroll to the Keyboard shortcuts section and select Keyboard shortcuts on.

4

At the bottom, click Save Changes.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

 

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, you are supposed to go into focus mode then you can use the key strokes such as * a and * x or what not  to select stuff. It’s like twitter’s g n and g h to navigate, all of this in focus mode.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 9:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

I have tried to use the standard view and have tried using the shortcut keys they publish.  however, I can't get the shortcuts to work. When I press them I get no response and no action from Firefox on the google page at all.  I have tried them on the gmail page as well.

 

Are the shortcut keys supposed to be combined with some other keys or something?

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 12/17/2021 10:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Yeah j  for next, k for next, * plus a for select all, number  for move to j junk. If you hit the ? you will get a list of keys. Read with all punctuation on so you can get the one I posted. It is actually a very good experience.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 6:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

You learned shortcut commands to use your e-mail program.  Do you complain about that?  This is a case where a site is serving as an e-mail platform and, of course, it is to one’s great advantage to learn certain shortcuts.  And the shortcuts may have been intentionally designed to be similar, where possible and practical, to those typically used in e-mail programs.  Perhaps alt r is reply.  That’s very similar to control r. 

 

While I don’t often use e-mail in web interfaces, it is a logical assumption that you would learn the small number of shortcuts such as compose, reply, and a small number of others that you would use regularly.  And if you don’t want to learn a shortcut you don’t use often, you can get to what you want in other ways.  For example, there may be a shortcut to go to the trash folder.  What if I don’t know it?  I can use the screen-reader’s search to search for trash.  But if I use the trash folder often, it would be to my advantage to learn the shortcut. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Dzhovani

Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

Life is too short to learn every website's preferred way to use their product. If GMail cannot use HTML as intended, I'll pointedly use something else. My limited brain capacity is reserved for stuff where remembering 20 unique key combinations, there effects, and side effects actually matter.

-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah it’s not screen review but it is, but it isn’t. Many users try and use screen review to navigate lst’s say note pad where regular arrows will do. I never use the screen review navigator  to get around programs unless tab or what not is not working and object nav in screen review isn’t working. When I review a program on my podcasts I never ever switch to object view as the cursers are set up to follow each other. Then I might just start tabbing again. Like I said I can’t explain what I use and how, It just works.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 11:49 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually it’s not a preference.

-
Sarah,

For the love of heaven, please pay attention to what you're replying to.

You wrote, of someone else, "They know how to use most of nvda and other screen reader functions but they prefer the arrows."

To which I responded that this is a preference, and it's not a problem, so long as they're aware of their options.

You also wrote, of yourself, in another topic, message   : I stick to screen review everywhere

That's as direct a statement as there is.  Yes, it could have been a write-o where you meant avoid rather than stick to, but as written it directly states a strong preference for screen review.

Several messages later ( ) you say just the opposite, which was not even present when I made my response.  You really need to watch what you're writing for consistency, as this is an example of a bloody mess.  No one can follow it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Gene
 

I don’t know how useful this setting is, but there is a setting in browse mode settings to trap all nonbrowse mode commands and keep them from reaching the program when you are in browse mode.  That is the default setting.  The wording in the dialog is as follows:
Trap all non-command gestures from reaching the document.  The tone you hear indicates that a nonbrowse mode command has been trapped.  If you turn this off, a nonbrowse mode command, issued in browse mode, can reach the web site. 
 
Browse mode commands are treated as browse mode commands and never reach the web site, regardless of how the trap setting is set.
 
There are so many quick navigation settings that I doubt turning off trapping of commands matters most of the time, but there may be times when it is very convenient to be able to do so.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] GMail Basic Setting With NVDA
 
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:48 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.
-
And, if memory serves, this is true of all web app keyboard shortcuts when using NVDA.  If you're not in focus mode, and not in an edit box, when you issue them in most cases you'll just get the error tone, but if you so happen to use a single character shortcut for the web app that's also an NVDA browse mode shortcut, it will execute that as a browse mode shortcut.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA speaking numbers

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 01:10 PM, JinYoun wrote:
Now, what is the read character key?
-
Desktop Layout:  numpad2           Laptop layout:  NVDA + .

You really need to get used to bringing up the NVDA Commands Quick Reference when you have a question about NVDA commands.  All of the most common ones, plus a number of the less frequently used ones, are right there.

NVDA + N, H, Q

Search on "Report current character in review" for the full description, including the above noted keyboard shortcuts. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA speaking numbers

JinYoun
 

Ah, ok. Now, what is the read character key? heehee 
Thanks so much  


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:48 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Be sure that you are using NVDA with focus mode, not browse mode. Also, be sure that you are not in an edit field when attempting to use the shortcuts, as otherwise, you will be typing in text.
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And, if memory serves, this is true of all web app keyboard shortcuts when using NVDA.  If you're not in focus mode, and not in an edit box, when you issue them in most cases you'll just get the error tone, but if you so happen to use a single character shortcut for the web app that's also an NVDA browse mode shortcut, it will execute that as a browse mode shortcut.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

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locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

 

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 12:44 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
Still no response to the keys though.
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When you are in the Gmail webmail window, and you know that the keyboard shortcuts setting is on, what happens if you type the question mark?
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Question about an add-on

 

Hi,

The closest equivalent to object navigation in JAWS world is touch cursor.

The easiest analogy I use when explaining object navigation (or for that matter, object hierarchy) is website layout, specifically the relationship between a web document, a list of elements, and items within a list.

To answer the original question: to my knowledge, there is no widely used add-on to let you use Numpad arrow keys to move the mouse (the closest we have is Mouse Keys feature in Windows). A similar functionality to move the mosue using regular arrow keys can be achieved via Golden Cursor add-on (I am the last maintainer, and I passed the add-on to the community weeks ago; that is, I have no intention to maintain that add-on unless this is the last resort).

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: GMail Basic Setting With NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Does NVDA have the type of tutorials that you are talking about here below?
I am not aware of an NVDA tutorial covering the use of web apps put out by nvaccess, but others in the community have done this. I've put out a few tutorials for web apps at my YouTube channel, for example. Check out the channel and any videos on that channel at youtube.com/blindtechadventures. There are videos there for accessing Gmail with standard mode, accessing Facebook, using Google Docs, etc.

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