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Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Gene
 

I suspect this is the same sort of message you get when you install add-ons, warning that add-ons may be malicious and telling you to be careful.  Others may wish to discuss the question, but if your add-ons come from the official NVDA add-ons site, you should have nothing to worry about.  All officially approved add-ons have been checked.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg

 

On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 11:00 AM, Greg Williams wrote:
"Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?"
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"Could be" is a vague, CYA, catch-all term, commonly used.

While it would be nice to have add-ons separated out, and I would believe that could be done and am not arguing against it, I would answer this prompt in the affirmative without definitive reason to do otherwise.

Accurate risk assessment requires separating out risks that are reasonably probable from an action versus remotely possible.  Given what we know of NVDA and its add-ons, both over time and on who knows how many machines, any security risk is in the remotely possible and not worth worrying about at this time.

This is a situation where, in my opinion, a mountain is being made out of less than a molehill and that needs to be stated directly.  And it comes from a lack of accurate risk assessment.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Greg Williams
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg


On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  I'm running Windows 11 with the use of Firefox.  If Firefox crashes NVDA is still speaking.  You may have to alt + Tab away from that window at times.  However, I have had this happen in windows 10 and windows 11 and I don't remember ever loosing the NVDA Speech.

Dave


On 12/18/2021 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
This may be a problem on your specific machine.  This doesn’t happen to me.  I don’t recall if I have to get out of the window to have speech but I can get speech if I do something like go to the desktop. 
I’m using Windows 7 but I doubt that matters. 
 
However, I’d be very interested to know if this other issue is a problem others have or if it is related to using Windows 7 with NVDA and Firefox.  There are some sites that take a very long time to load, perhaps a minute or more.  There is nothing wrong with the sites. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
I have another request for NVDA new features. Firefox support needs a
major overhaul. When Firefox crashes, NVDA shouldn't become unusable too.





In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hot on the heels of the final release of the year, here is our final blog post of the year: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-22nd-december-2021/

Have a very happy safe and holy Christmas and New Year, stay safe and I look forward to an even better year in 2022!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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News – NV Access - NVDA 2021.3.1 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
 

NVDA 2021.3.1 Released

By Reef Turner

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2021.3.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

Highlights

This release introduces support for the new HID Braille specification. This specification aims to standardize support for Braille Displays without needing individual drivers. There are updates to eSpeak-NG and LibLouis, including new Russian and Tshivenda tables. Error sounds can be enabled in stable builds of NVDA via a new advanced settings option. Say all in Word now scrolls the view to keep the current position visible. There are lots of improvements when using Office with UIA. One UIA fix is that Outlook now ignores more types of layout tables in messages.

Changes from 2021.3:

  • Landmark is once again abbreviated in braille.
  • Fixed unstable braille display auto detection for Humanware Brailliant and APH Mantis Q40 braille displays when using Bluetooth.

Important Note: Due to an update to our security certificate, a small number of users get an error when NVDA 2021.2 checks for updates. NVDA now asks Windows to update security certificates, which will prevent this error in the future. Affected users will need to download this update manually.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

Links

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I would not worry about it actually. I don’t really consider the add ons at start up a security risk. What makes you think they are?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

Hi
I'm talking about using NVDA settings on login and secure screens. There are add-ons installed, but now that I want to apply the current changes to the login and secure screens, I need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk. If I use the current settings on the login and secure screens, the current add-ons that are installed in NVDA will also be copied to me. But if there is no other way, then I consider it a useless topic in this group.


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Ján Kulik
 

Hi
I'm talking about using NVDA settings on login and secure screens. There are add-ons installed, but now that I want to apply the current changes to the login and secure screens, I need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk. If I use the current settings on the login and secure screens, the current add-ons that are installed in NVDA will also be copied to me. But if there is no other way, then I consider it a useless topic in this group.


Re: Chrome browser security concern

 

For myself, a great more precision in the description of how the situation is being brought about, and the exact messages being given, are both required before one can even attempt a coherent stab at answering this.

A step-by-step outline, with URL(s) in use, would be good for starters.  Even a single example.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Chrome browser security concern

Gene
 

As I understand the situation, if you don’t keep Windows updates current, most Windows browsers won’t know about updated certificates and will gibve you a message about the site not being able to be verified.  To see if this might be the problem, you can try Firefox on such a site.  Firefox, unlike most Windows browsers, doesn’t depend on Windows for information about valid certificates.  It has its own data-base. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome browser security concern
 
Hello,
While a man in the middle might be the culprit, there are also other things that cause this type of error. Essentially, it is saying that the encryption certificate for the site you are visiting can't be verified or has expired.
Every site that uses https: has a certificate on it. The certificate will tell you which authority  signed that certificate, the browser can then ask the signing authority to verify the certificate is valid. If you are missing root certificate authority certificate on your local computer, or if your computer can not reach the signing authority this can be marked as a potentially invalid certificate. 


Re: Chrome browser security concern

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
While a man in the middle might be the culprit, there are also other things that cause this type of error. Essentially, it is saying that the encryption certificate for the site you are visiting can't be verified or has expired. 
Every site that uses https: has a certificate on it. The certificate will tell you which authority  signed that certificate, the browser can then ask the signing authority to verify the certificate is valid. If you are missing root certificate authority certificate on your local computer, or if your computer can not reach the signing authority this can be marked as a potentially invalid certificate. 


locked Re: Announcement Only: Changing the E-Mail Address for Your Groups.io Account #adminnotice

 

Oops, omitted this after the "see:" in the original message:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 

Setting up Topic Preview is discussed in that tutorial, along with a number of other things you can do to control exactly what lands in your inbox from Groups.io
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


locked Announcement Only: Changing the E-Mail Address for Your Groups.io Account #adminnotice

 

I have noticed a recent cluster of people unsubscribing and resubscribing to change their e-mail addresses.  Let me start out by saying if this is how you prefer to do this, that's fine, but using that method makes you lose your existing membership and be subject to first message moderation again, as well as losing your "member connection" to all the existing content you've already posted on the archive.

If all you want to do is to change the e-mail address you use to interact with the group, that can be done through the Groups.io website for your account, and if you've never actually logged in to the Groups.io website the instructions for doing so the first time are linked in these instructions.  You do not have to do your day-to-day interaction with the group via the website, but being able to log in and tweak settings can be very handy, particularly if you want to set up Topic Preview (see: ) for high-traffic groups.

Using the instructions below you can change your email address without sacrificing your existing membership (and if you are a member of multiple groups, you keep your membership in all of them, and your e-mail address for all of them changes at one time) and being subject to new user first message moderation again.

 

Changing the E-Mail Address for Your Groups.io Account

 

In order to change the e-mail address for your Groups.io Account, which will be the same for every group you’ve subscribed to using your current e-mail address, you first need to go through, Establishing a Groups.io Website Account Password If You’ve Been an E-Mail Only User, if you have not already done so in the past.

 

When you change the e-mail address for your Groups.io Account, all groups that you’ve ever subscribed to using what will become “the old address,” will recognize “the new address” after you’ve changed it.

 

1.       Go to the Groups.io Login Page,  https://groups.io/login, and enter your current e-mail address, which is your Groups.io login ID, and your password, then activate the Log In button.

2.       Navigate to the account submenu button for your account.  I cannot tell you how this will be announced, but it is most likely to be read as your e-mail address, followed by the phrase, “collapsed, submenu link.”  If you have established a Display Name in the past, this is what will appear on the button instead of your e-mail address.  Expand this button, then down arrow to the Account item and activate.

3.      You will now be in the Account Settings, Login Pane, which happens to be the pane you need to be on.  Navigate to the e-mail edit box which will contain your current e-mail address associated with the account.  Replace the existing e-mail address with the new one you now wish to have associated with your account.

4.      Navigate to the Change email button, and activate it.  You now have associated that e-mail address with your Groups.io account.  It will now become your login ID in place of your old one, and all groups to which you are subscribed will recognize your new address.

5.      If that’s all you wish to do, you can logout, and the easiest way to do this is to throw focus to the address bar, enter https://groups.io/logout and activate.  You’ll be logged out.  You can also navigate back to the account submenu button, activate it, and choose the logout item – your choice.  Should you wish to establish a Display Name, then hold off on logging out, and continue with Steps 6 and forward.

6.      Navigate to the Identity link and activate it.  This will put you in the Identity settings for your Account.  The first item with an Edit Button will be your Account Profile, and I will only focus on the Account Profile.  There are individual Group Profiles that follow it, but since we’re trying to establish a Display Name used for you for all Groups, and to identify you when you login, we’ll stick with the Account profile.  Activate the Edit button associated with the Account Profile.  This will open it for editing.

7.      Use your screen reader search to find Display Name, which is a label, then hit tab to land in the Display Name edit box.

8.      Enter whatever it is you wish to have as your display name.  First and last name is common, but some prefer to establish nicknames that they use for groups.  It’s whatever you wish.

9.      If you wish to explore the other edit boxes in your Account Profile, then feel free to do so and to edit the information.   After having entered your Display Name and anything else you wish to enter, navigate to the Update Account Profile button, then activate it.

10.   You can now log out (see step 5 for the easiest way).

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Bhavya Shah, from India to the USA, part 3

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

OK where can I find parts I and II? Thanks.

On 12/21/2021 12:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very proud to share part 3 of our series of interviews with Bhavya Shah. Bhavya talks about his involvement in the NVDA community and his contributions. Excitingly, these were one factor mentioned in his college acceptance letters!

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA 2021.3 RC2 now available

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 06:19 AM, David Ingram wrote:
Hi, is there going to be a fix concerning check for ad-ons in nvda?
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That fix is already part of NVDA 2021.3.  The issue was strictly with 2021.2 and only for certain users, because the issue arose from a Windows-based certificate issue, which is now worked around.

As has been noted, if the add-ons you already have were compatible with 2021.2, there have been no updates to add-ons that I know of that are specific to any of the dot releases in the 2021 progression other than, perhaps, 2021.1.  Anyone using any of the 2021.X releases has 2021.X compatible add-ons (or, potentially, disabled incompatible ones, but that's a different kettle of fish).
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA 2021.3 RC2 now available

Chris Smart
 

David, if you hear “no add-on update available”, then guess what that means? There are no updates! LOL

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: December 21, 2021 6:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3 RC2 now available

 

Hi, is there going to be a fix concerning check for ad-ons in nvda?  I have this question because i’ve just recently downloaded the new release for nvda but when i tried to check for ad-ons nothing showed.  Are there actual ad-ons that i should be able to see.  Thank you.



On Dec 20, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

 

Hi everyone,

 

NVDA 2021.3.1rc2 is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & give feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.3.1 release.  Read more and download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3-1rc2/

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: NVDA Features feedback

Dave Grossoehme
 

Hi:  I apologize for seeing this on a late date.  However,  I must agree on the fact of hearing enter every time it is pressed or a new line comes up.  Not only that you are going to need edxtra coding when it isn't needed.


Dave


On 12/15/2021 1:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 01:09 PM, Mani Iyer wrote:
It is a whitespace character like the tab or blank which are correctly spoken by NVDA.
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Tab cannot be distinguished from other whitespace unless announced.  Blank is generally only announced going character by character or line by line if a line is blank.

Newline is very simple to deduce by context, and I doubt that very many would ever want that announced as a routine matter.

Not that I need to understand, but I'd like to:  Why do you have such a desire for Enter/Carriage Return/Newline to be explicitly spoken?  And, as a follow up, how is it that you cannot deduce its presence in almost all cases?

Heaven knows I would not want enter echoed every time I type it just like I don't want space echoed in the vast majority of cases.  But that's me.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019

 


NVDA stops speaking text when editing and using the arrow keys

Robert Portal
 

This is something I experience too but I also experienced it (worse) when I used Jaws so I have always assumed it’s attributable to an overworked CPU. Given that it’s almost impossible to identify circumstances when it happens to allow it to be reproduced reliably and it’s relatively straightforward to get out of (a small wait and alt-tab seems to do the trick) I haven’t tried reporting it as a bug.

 

Best wishes

 

Robert

 

Da: nvda@nvda.groups.io Per conto di Russell James
Inviato: lundi 20 décembre 2021 20:13
A: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Oggetto: [nvda] NVDA stops speaking text when editing and using the arrow keys

 

Greetings,

 

I remember some time ago when this happened to me while editing messages on Linked-in

 

Since upgrading to NVDA 2021.3 I have been noticing it happening while editing messages with GMail.

 

While I don't have steps to reproduce this yet, I can report that it is happening to me multiple times a day.

 

While composing a message in GMail

Using the default GMail UX

Using Firefox Nightly (updating as available)

On a Windows 10 desktop (with all available updates)

 

Sometimes the text being edited will stop speaking when the arrow keys are used to navigate the edited text

If I recall correctly the backspace also stops speaking

 

When this happens the mouse over will still speak the text

 

If I use the mouse and click somewhere outside that compose / edit box and then click in the edit box again the problem goes away

It seems sort of like a edit/keyboard focus type problem...

 

Curious to know if any other users are having this experience

 

I have shared my work around and would be interested in any others

 

Especially interested in any recommendations to avoid this problem.

 

Thank you

 

Russ


Re: NVDA 2021.3 RC2 now available

David Ingram
 

Hi, is there going to be a fix concerning check for ad-ons in nvda?  I have this question because i’ve just recently downloaded the new release for nvda but when i tried to check for ad-ons nothing showed.  Are there actual ad-ons that i should be able to see.  Thank you.

On Dec 20, 2021, at 8:23 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2021.3.1rc2 is now available for download & testing. We encourage all users to download this RC & give feedback. Unless any critical bugs are found, this will be identical to the final 2021.3.1 release.  Read more and download at https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2021-3-1rc2/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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