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Re: Navigating a grouping

Gene
 

I read your message again.  Forget my previous one.  I didn’t understand what you were reporting and why you were using object navigation.  There is no need to use object navigation.  When working with radio buttons, every one you arrow to, unless you are in browse mode, which you are not is selected and checked.  Only one radio button is checked at any time.  Arrow to the one you want, using the regular arrow keys.  If there is an ok button, activate it.  You hear that every radio button is checked because as you move to a radio button, you are checking that one and no other one is checked.  The radio button that was checked before automatically becomes unchecked when you move to another one.  Its like a button to jump to a radio station in a car radio.  You press one button and it moves you to the station you want.  That’s why radio buttons are called radio buttons.  They are named after car radio station buttons.  Any button you select is the active one.  No other one is.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 4:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating a grouping
 
Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button  grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another  way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani




Re: Navigating a grouping

Gene
 

I haven't played with the app.  I also haven't used that command.  Try the following:

Use numpad 4 to move back by radio button.  Use numpad 6 to move forward.  When you are on the one you want to select, use the command you used before to select a radio button.  If you can't move by radio button as I described, let us know.  I'll give you a different way to move and explain the difference.


Gene

On 12/22/2021 4:52 PM, Mani Iyer via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani



Navigating a grouping

Mani Iyer
 

Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,


it's an unattended system for a longer period of time, and whenever she's in front of it, she can enter anything normally of course.


If there's no solution to this, we'll just not update NVDA right now and leave it at the last version known to work with NVDA Remote 2.3.


Regards,

Nermin


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 05:41 PM, Nermin wrote:
Any idea is welcome,
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Since you say this, is the person "on the other end" able to enter the requested PIN?   I know it's not a long term solution, but it does not sound like this is a situation where unattended access is what's being attempted, so the person on the other end should be able to be on the phone at the same time and enter what you need them to.

That may be your only quick workaround.
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        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi all,

a friend of mine and I are using NVDA to remote a PC that is streaming audio over TeamTalk. The machine in question is a Dell XPS13 on Windows 10 21H1, and, due to the add-on incompatibility with NVDA 2021.X, still using NVDA 2020.4.

Whenever I try updating the add-on to version 2.4, I am basically locked out of the laptop in question, since there is a PIN or security dialogue in place.
With v 2.3 of the add-on, I can always enter the PIN with no problem whatsoever.

As soon as we update the add-on to make way for a new NVDA installation, I can only access the machine so long as there is no UAC-related dialogue or the laptop does not go into screen lock mode.

Has anyone seen this and is there a fix?

I've contacted the developers on their e-mail address, but no answer whatsoever. I've also tried searching the Github page, but nobody seems to have that issue.

We've tried uninstalling both NVDA, the add-on, also cleared the "use current settings for logon" and copied that over again, none of which did anythingto resolve the issue. We've also used other laptops to tap into the system, but every laptop produced the same result.

Any idea is welcome, or if anyone knows of current ways to reach the developers, please post.

I know that the UAC comes up and wants a PIN cause I can hear it on TeamTalk, but that part does not handshake with my system for some reason and I cannot
enter anything, as if there were no connection.

Regards,
Nermin


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Others may wish to discuss the question, but if your add-ons come from the official NVDA add-ons site, you should have nothing to worry about.
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Not so anymore, because the official NVDA add-ons site (https://nvda-addons.org/) is now a marketplace hosting what I call "officially vetted" and "home grown" add-ons that have minimal vetting.

You are correct, though, that any officially vetted add-on should not be of any concern from a security standpoint (ignoring the issues that can arise from having password characters announced as one types them, and I would assume anyone using such an add-on would know when, and when not, to allow such announcement to take place).
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        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Gene
 

I suspect this is the same sort of message you get when you install add-ons, warning that add-ons may be malicious and telling you to be careful.  Others may wish to discuss the question, but if your add-ons come from the official NVDA add-ons site, you should have nothing to worry about.  All officially approved add-ons have been checked.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg

 

On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming.
 
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 11:00 AM, Greg Williams wrote:
"Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?"
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"Could be" is a vague, CYA, catch-all term, commonly used.

While it would be nice to have add-ons separated out, and I would believe that could be done and am not arguing against it, I would answer this prompt in the affirmative without definitive reason to do otherwise.

Accurate risk assessment requires separating out risks that are reasonably probable from an action versus remotely possible.  Given what we know of NVDA and its add-ons, both over time and on who knows how many machines, any security risk is in the remotely possible and not worth worrying about at this time.

This is a situation where, in my opinion, a mountain is being made out of less than a molehill and that needs to be stated directly.  And it comes from a lack of accurate risk assessment.
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Greg Williams
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg


On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
-
You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming. 
 
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: NVDA Features feedback

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  I'm running Windows 11 with the use of Firefox.  If Firefox crashes NVDA is still speaking.  You may have to alt + Tab away from that window at times.  However, I have had this happen in windows 10 and windows 11 and I don't remember ever loosing the NVDA Speech.

Dave


On 12/18/2021 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
This may be a problem on your specific machine.  This doesn’t happen to me.  I don’t recall if I have to get out of the window to have speech but I can get speech if I do something like go to the desktop. 
I’m using Windows 7 but I doubt that matters. 
 
However, I’d be very interested to know if this other issue is a problem others have or if it is related to using Windows 7 with NVDA and Firefox.  There are some sites that take a very long time to load, perhaps a minute or more.  There is nothing wrong with the sites. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
I have another request for NVDA new features. Firefox support needs a
major overhaul. When Firefox crashes, NVDA shouldn't become unusable too.





In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hot on the heels of the final release of the year, here is our final blog post of the year: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-22nd-december-2021/

Have a very happy safe and holy Christmas and New Year, stay safe and I look forward to an even better year in 2022!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


News – NV Access - NVDA 2021.3.1 Released #nvaccessnewsfeed

nvda@nvda.groups.io Integration <nvda@...>
 

NVDA 2021.3.1 Released

By Reef Turner

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2021.3.1 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, is now available for download. We encourage all users to upgrade to this version.

Highlights

This release introduces support for the new HID Braille specification. This specification aims to standardize support for Braille Displays without needing individual drivers. There are updates to eSpeak-NG and LibLouis, including new Russian and Tshivenda tables. Error sounds can be enabled in stable builds of NVDA via a new advanced settings option. Say all in Word now scrolls the view to keep the current position visible. There are lots of improvements when using Office with UIA. One UIA fix is that Outlook now ignores more types of layout tables in messages.

Changes from 2021.3:

  • Landmark is once again abbreviated in braille.
  • Fixed unstable braille display auto detection for Humanware Brailliant and APH Mantis Q40 braille displays when using Bluetooth.

Important Note: Due to an update to our security certificate, a small number of users get an error when NVDA 2021.2 checks for updates. NVDA now asks Windows to update security certificates, which will prevent this error in the future. Affected users will need to download this update manually.

Please note, after updating any software, it is a good idea to restart the computer. Restart by going to the Shutdown dialog, selecting “restart” and pressing ENTER. Updating software can change files which are in use. This can lead to instability and strange behaviour which is resolved by rebooting. This is the first thing to try if you do notice anything odd after updating.

Links

While downloading NVDA, please consider becoming a monthly donor. Contributions like yours help NV Access continue our important work.

We also have a range of training material in the NV Access Shop to help you increase your skills with NVDA. Start with the popular Basic Training for NVDA in electronic text, audio and braille. Save with the NVDA Productivity Bundle. This includes Basic Training, all our Microsoft Office training, and telephone support.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.

Close-up photograph of NVDA logo in notification area.


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I would not worry about it actually. I don’t really consider the add ons at start up a security risk. What makes you think they are?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

 

Hi
I'm talking about using NVDA settings on login and secure screens. There are add-ons installed, but now that I want to apply the current changes to the login and secure screens, I need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk. If I use the current settings on the login and secure screens, the current add-ons that are installed in NVDA will also be copied to me. But if there is no other way, then I consider it a useless topic in this group.


Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Ján Kulik
 

Hi
I'm talking about using NVDA settings on login and secure screens. There are add-ons installed, but now that I want to apply the current changes to the login and secure screens, I need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk. If I use the current settings on the login and secure screens, the current add-ons that are installed in NVDA will also be copied to me. But if there is no other way, then I consider it a useless topic in this group.


Re: Chrome browser security concern

 

For myself, a great more precision in the description of how the situation is being brought about, and the exact messages being given, are both required before one can even attempt a coherent stab at answering this.

A step-by-step outline, with URL(s) in use, would be good for starters.  Even a single example.
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The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Chrome browser security concern

Gene
 

As I understand the situation, if you don’t keep Windows updates current, most Windows browsers won’t know about updated certificates and will gibve you a message about the site not being able to be verified.  To see if this might be the problem, you can try Firefox on such a site.  Firefox, unlike most Windows browsers, doesn’t depend on Windows for information about valid certificates.  It has its own data-base. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome browser security concern
 
Hello,
While a man in the middle might be the culprit, there are also other things that cause this type of error. Essentially, it is saying that the encryption certificate for the site you are visiting can't be verified or has expired.
Every site that uses https: has a certificate on it. The certificate will tell you which authority  signed that certificate, the browser can then ask the signing authority to verify the certificate is valid. If you are missing root certificate authority certificate on your local computer, or if your computer can not reach the signing authority this can be marked as a potentially invalid certificate. 


Re: Chrome browser security concern

Jonathan COHN
 

Hello,
While a man in the middle might be the culprit, there are also other things that cause this type of error. Essentially, it is saying that the encryption certificate for the site you are visiting can't be verified or has expired. 
Every site that uses https: has a certificate on it. The certificate will tell you which authority  signed that certificate, the browser can then ask the signing authority to verify the certificate is valid. If you are missing root certificate authority certificate on your local computer, or if your computer can not reach the signing authority this can be marked as a potentially invalid certificate. 


locked Re: Announcement Only: Changing the E-Mail Address for Your Groups.io Account #adminnotice

 

Oops, omitted this after the "see:" in the original message:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

 

Setting up Topic Preview is discussed in that tutorial, along with a number of other things you can do to control exactly what lands in your inbox from Groups.io
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