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Re: is the next paragraph read cancel?

David Griffith
 

What are you using to read the document in?

 

The behaviour of  control up and down arrow will vary depending on which program you are using.

So if I am trying to read text from a book in say Notepad  then control down or up arrow will not work for navigation or reading.

 

If however  I copy and paste the exact same text into say Word, Jarte or even WordPad then using control up and down arrow for reading by paragraph suddenly becomes available.

This reading method also works on web pages.

At least that is what happens here on my Windows 10 setup.

 

So if you need to read by paragraph you could simply copy and paste the relevant text from Notepad or whatever the program is that is not supporting  this navigation into Word  or WordPad to regain this behaviour.

 

David Griffith

 

 

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From: 特種兵
Sent: 23 December 2021 09:34
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] is the next paragraph read cancel?

 

hi all:

 

  in NVDA Basic Training Material, I found about use control + down or

up can move cursor to next or previous paragraph.

  but pressed is cannot work, it is still move to next or previous line

only.

  I looking for User Guide or quick command reference has no that command.

  is the command cancel on new NVDA version when not install addon?

 

thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: is the next paragraph read cancel?

特種兵
 

hi Yeti:

  I type two paragraph between has a blank line.
  the text in WordPad is:

Clack, clickety-clack!
Powerful locomotive,
roars through green forest.

Tall craggy mountains,
Brilliant white snow, crisp and new.
Skiing holiday!


Yeti 於 2021/12/23 下午 05:53 寫道:

Hello Unknown,

move to next or previous line only.
Maybee there are hard line feeds, so that each line looks like a paragraph.

Which file type and which viewer do You use?

Ad Astra

Yeti
Re: is the next paragraph read cancel?

Yeti
 

Hello Unknown,

move to next or previous line only.

Maybee there are hard line feeds, so that each line looks like a paragraph.

Which file type and which viewer do You use?

Ad Astra

Yeti
Re: nvda and eloquence/vocalizer add-on

Socheat
 

Hello

As far as I know, Code Factory voices don't have this feature.

Thanks
is the next paragraph read cancel?

特種兵
 

hi all:

  in NVDA Basic Training Material, I found about use control + down or up can move cursor to next or previous paragraph.
  but pressed is cannot work, it is still move to next or previous line only.
  I looking for User Guide or quick command reference has no that command.
  is the command cancel on new NVDA version when not install addon?

thanks
nvda and eloquence/vocalizer add-on

Michael Micallef at FITA
 

Hi guys

 

Can some tell me how to check how many activations remain when you’re using the eloquence/vocalizer nvda-add-on?
Re: Navigating a grouping

Sarah k Alawami
 

So, if you arrow you will hear such and such is checked. A radio button can only have 1 option checked at any given time. My windows xp for dummies book described it as a dot bouncing between options so where ever the dot is means it is checked, and nothing else is.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mani Iyer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Navigating a grouping

Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani
Re: Navigating a grouping

Mani Iyer
 

Gene,
That makes a lot of sense.  No need of my circuitous object navigation route. :) Arrow to what you want and get out of it.

Thank you so much for your patient explanation.
Mani
  

On Dec 22, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I read your message again.  Forget my previous one.  I didn’t understand what you were reporting and why you were using object navigation.  There is no need to use object navigation.  When working with radio buttons, every one you arrow to, unless you are in browse mode, which you are not is selected and checked.  Only one radio button is checked at any time.  Arrow to the one you want, using the regular arrow keys.  If there is an ok button, activate it.  You hear that every radio button is checked because as you move to a radio button, you are checking that one and no other one is checked.  The radio button that was checked before automatically becomes unchecked when you move to another one.  Its like a button to jump to a radio station in a car radio.  You press one button and it moves you to the station you want.  That’s why radio buttons are called radio buttons.  They are named after car radio station buttons.  Any button you select is the active one.  No other one is.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 4:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating a grouping
 
Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button  grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another  way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani
Re: Navigating a grouping

Gene
 

I read your message again.  Forget my previous one.  I didn’t understand what you were reporting and why you were using object navigation.  There is no need to use object navigation.  When working with radio buttons, every one you arrow to, unless you are in browse mode, which you are not is selected and checked.  Only one radio button is checked at any time.  Arrow to the one you want, using the regular arrow keys.  If there is an ok button, activate it.  You hear that every radio button is checked because as you move to a radio button, you are checking that one and no other one is checked.  The radio button that was checked before automatically becomes unchecked when you move to another one.  Its like a button to jump to a radio station in a car radio.  You press one button and it moves you to the station you want.  That’s why radio buttons are called radio buttons.  They are named after car radio station buttons.  Any button you select is the active one.  No other one is.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 4:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] Navigating a grouping
 
Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button  grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another  way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani
Re: Navigating a grouping

Gene
 

I haven't played with the app.  I also haven't used that command.  Try the following:

Use numpad 4 to move back by radio button.  Use numpad 6 to move forward.  When you are on the one you want to select, use the command you used before to select a radio button.  If you can't move by radio button as I described, let us know.  I'll give you a different way to move and explain the difference.


Gene

On 12/22/2021 4:52 PM, Mani Iyer via groups.io wrote:
Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani
Navigating a grouping

Mani Iyer
 

Hello all,
In the settings for the Weather add-on I wanted to set the temperature scale to Fahrenheit. Tabbing through I found the ‘Scale of temperature grouping’. Arrowing through the radio options told me all the three options were checked (Fahrenheit, Celsius, Kelvin). But when I pressed NVDA + NumPad*1 for object review, I went through the options with NVDA + NumPad * 5 it read Celsius as checked and the others not checked. And I set it to Fahrenheit using NVDA + NumPad * Enter.
Did I navigate a radio button grouping or any grouping the correct way or is there another way to navigate and set the desired option?

Thanks,
mani
Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi Brian,


it's an unattended system for a longer period of time, and whenever she's in front of it, she can enter anything normally of course.


If there's no solution to this, we'll just not update NVDA right now and leave it at the last version known to work with NVDA Remote 2.3.


Regards,

Nermin
Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 05:41 PM, Nermin wrote:
Any idea is welcome,
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Since you say this, is the person "on the other end" able to enter the requested PIN?   I know it's not a long term solution, but it does not sound like this is a situation where unattended access is what's being attempted, so the person on the other end should be able to be on the phone at the same time and enter what you need them to.

That may be your only quick workaround.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 
NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi all,

a friend of mine and I are using NVDA to remote a PC that is streaming audio over TeamTalk. The machine in question is a Dell XPS13 on Windows 10 21H1, and, due to the add-on incompatibility with NVDA 2021.X, still using NVDA 2020.4.

Whenever I try updating the add-on to version 2.4, I am basically locked out of the laptop in question, since there is a PIN or security dialogue in place.
With v 2.3 of the add-on, I can always enter the PIN with no problem whatsoever.

As soon as we update the add-on to make way for a new NVDA installation, I can only access the machine so long as there is no UAC-related dialogue or the laptop does not go into screen lock mode.

Has anyone seen this and is there a fix?

I've contacted the developers on their e-mail address, but no answer whatsoever. I've also tried searching the Github page, but nobody seems to have that issue.

We've tried uninstalling both NVDA, the add-on, also cleared the "use current settings for logon" and copied that over again, none of which did anythingto resolve the issue. We've also used other laptops to tap into the system, but every laptop produced the same result.

Any idea is welcome, or if anyone knows of current ways to reach the developers, please post.

I know that the UAC comes up and wants a PIN cause I can hear it on TeamTalk, but that part does not handshake with my system for some reason and I cannot
enter anything, as if there were no connection.

Regards,
Nermin
Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 11:29 AM, Gene wrote:
Others may wish to discuss the question, but if your add-ons come from the official NVDA add-ons site, you should have nothing to worry about.
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Not so anymore, because the official NVDA add-ons site (https://nvda-addons.org/) is now a marketplace hosting what I call "officially vetted" and "home grown" add-ons that have minimal vetting.

You are correct, though, that any officially vetted add-on should not be of any concern from a security standpoint (ignoring the issues that can arise from having password characters announced as one types them, and I would assume anyone using such an add-on would know when, and when not, to allow such announcement to take place).
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 
Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Gene
 

I suspect this is the same sort of message you get when you install add-ons, warning that add-ons may be malicious and telling you to be careful.  Others may wish to discuss the question, but if your add-ons come from the official NVDA add-ons site, you should have nothing to worry about.  All officially approved add-ons have been checked.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2021 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg

 

On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
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You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 
Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 11:00 AM, Greg Williams wrote:
"Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?"
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"Could be" is a vague, CYA, catch-all term, commonly used.

While it would be nice to have add-ons separated out, and I would believe that could be done and am not arguing against it, I would answer this prompt in the affirmative without definitive reason to do otherwise.

Accurate risk assessment requires separating out risks that are reasonably probable from an action versus remotely possible.  Given what we know of NVDA and its add-ons, both over time and on who knows how many machines, any security risk is in the remotely possible and not worth worrying about at this time.

This is a situation where, in my opinion, a mountain is being made out of less than a molehill and that needs to be stated directly.  And it comes from a lack of accurate risk assessment.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 
Re: How to copy NVDA user settings before logging into windows without the need for add-ons that are installed in NVDA?

Greg Williams
 

Activating the option in NVDA Settings to "Use currently saved settings during sign-in and on secure screens" brings up a dialog with the message: "Warning Add-ons were detected in your user settings directory. Copying these to the system profile could be a security risk. Do you still wish to copy your settings?" Given this message from NVDA itself, it is not unreasonable for a user to wonder how to save settings without add-ons for use in this situation even if they do not know of a specific security threat that the particular add-ons they have installed could present.

I agree that I have never heard of there being a security threat in practice, and this is probably a due diligence statement on NVDA's part, but the average user does not really have a good way of evaluating the potential risk that their add-ons might carry and could be made a bit nervous by this statement, especially with the news coverage of vulnerabilities found in software that was generally thought to be secure.

I suppose that there are some add-ons which a user might wish to have available during sign-in and on secure screens, but I would imagine that normally the settings that a user is concerned with preserving would be the speech and braille settings. It would be nice to be able to save settings minus any add-ons in this instance.

Greg


On 12/21/2021 3:35 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM, Ján Kulik wrote:
need to uninstall all add-ons to avoid security risk.
-
You need to be a lot more explicit, and detailed, about what exactly you mean by security concerns.

People have been using NVDA for years at the login screen and other secure screens, laden with add-ons, and I have never seen a single report of a security breach or concern because of that.

Vague discomfort does not constitute a security concern.  You have to have a very, very clear definition of what it is you think the issue is or issues are.  So far, that's not been forthcoming. 
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

        ~ Dorothy Nevill

 
Re: NVDA Features feedback

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  I'm running Windows 11 with the use of Firefox.  If Firefox crashes NVDA is still speaking.  You may have to alt + Tab away from that window at times.  However, I have had this happen in windows 10 and windows 11 and I don't remember ever loosing the NVDA Speech.

Dave


On 12/18/2021 10:56 AM, Gene wrote:
This may be a problem on your specific machine.  This doesn’t happen to me.  I don’t recall if I have to get out of the window to have speech but I can get speech if I do something like go to the desktop. 
I’m using Windows 7 but I doubt that matters. 
 
However, I’d be very interested to know if this other issue is a problem others have or if it is related to using Windows 7 with NVDA and Firefox.  There are some sites that take a very long time to load, perhaps a minute or more.  There is nothing wrong with the sites. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Features feedback
 
I have another request for NVDA new features. Firefox support needs a
major overhaul. When Firefox crashes, NVDA shouldn't become unusable too.
In-Process is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hot on the heels of the final release of the year, here is our final blog post of the year: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-22nd-december-2021/

Have a very happy safe and holy Christmas and New Year, stay safe and I look forward to an even better year in 2022!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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