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Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 04:52 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar. 

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Louise,

I'll have to give that a whirl when I'm using a machine with Intel graphics.  The one I'm using now, and using most often, has AMD Radeon R7 graphics and wouldn't have the same commands.

I just tried the CTRL + ALT + Left/Right/Up/Down arrow keys and nothing amiss occurs.  Well, one thing, NVDA started up when I hit CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow, but that's because I tweaked the desktop shortcut when playing with all this a few days ago.
 
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Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

Gene
 

Louise and all
It should work anywhere that you are not in browse mode and where a program isn’t using those commands.  I would expect it would cause this action in most places.  Of course, you would have to have a video display that uses the commands.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation
 
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 03:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just curious, but what's the exact sequence to make this happen?  I'd love to try it out myself for the fun of it .
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar.  I got there by mistake.  Both my computer and the computer I'm using to check the archive use Intel drivers, which was mentioned in a later message as the cause.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

Louise Pfau
 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 03:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just curious, but what's the exact sequence to make this happen?  I'd love to try it out myself for the fun of it .
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar.  I got there by mistake.  Both my computer and the computer I'm using to check the archive use Intel drivers, which was mentioned in a later message as the cause.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

abdul muhamin
 

Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3, but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1 by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.

 

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From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

 

I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again

 

 


Re: NVDA support for Windows 7

 

Hi

I'm sure there might be questions about add-ons and Windows 7, and for those, please ask add-on developers for details. I'll put up a statement about my own add-ons soon.

To add to a message from Brian, unless your computer belongs to a company that has elected to pay Microsoft for extended security updates until around this time next year, please upgrade to at least Windows 10.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA support for Windows 7

 

I had not realized that this topic was also started in the NVDA Developer's Group, and actually answered it there, but I feel the answer I made there needs to be repeated here.  The very beginning is a snippet of what one of the NVDA developers said.
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On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 08:52 AM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
therefore we would do whatever we reasonably can to provide you with an up-to-date AT.
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The key word here being "reasonable."

It is no longer reasonable, by anyone's estimation that I've seen speaking, to continue to support XP.   There are multiple versions of NVDA, up to and including 2021.3.1, that still continue to support Windows 7.  But Windows 7 is out of support, and it is not unreasonable to expect, in fact, I'd say it's entirely reasonable to expect, that Windows 7 will be "left in the dust" eventually just like XP was.  It is the natural progression.

I have been in the computer support business for home and (very) small businesses for over a decade now and in all that time have had one, and only one, laptop that could not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  I also had one, and only one, machine, a Dell Inspiron 1720, where a driver for its Elon mousepad could not be sourced that would work with Windows 10 (which, of course, would be irrelevant to most screen reader users). Every other machine, whether it was a laptop or desktop, that started life with Windows 7 upgraded just fine to Windows 10 and has had no issue running with it.  And almost none of those was "officially blessed" by either Microsoft or it's original manufacturer to be Windows 10 compabible.

We, as a community, need to stop this pretense that Windows 7 users cannot, and should not be expected to, upgrade to Windows 10.  The process is simple, remains free, and is entirely accessible (after a certain point is reached very early on in the process) using Narrator during the upgrade.

We don't support XP, and over the longer term, we absolutely should not expect support for Windows 7.  People should not be using Windows 7, it is unsafe to do so, and that's not just for them, but for the entire ecosystem of cyberspace.  Security patches ceased, the OS is out of support, Microsoft has retired it.  That has always been "the end of the story" when it comes to Windows versions.  I have no earthly idea why there is a contingent that thinks that Windows 7 should receive some "special dispensation" from a process that has been ongoing for as long as I've been in computing.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Addon updater 22.01

 

Hi,

However, since Add-on Updater 22.01 is not available from community add-ons website, that method will not work for now.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

harshad solanki
 

sentence nav released after version 2.7, is not working with unicode
based language like hindi and gujarati. it always reads after cutting
few portion of text from beginning of the sentence and does not follow
user defined unicode based language's sentence separator. currently,
i'm using sentence nav v2.7 which works perfectly for me.

On 11/01/2022, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:
Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This
seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down
to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the
first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border").
Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is
visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that
are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the
settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to
the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get
space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult
to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding
layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards, Martin.






NVDA support for Windows 7

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

To follow up on a couple of questions we have received, I wanted to clarify NV Access' position on Windows 7 support.

NVDA will NOT drop support for Windows 7 in the immediate future.  We have previously stated that where we need to put out a release which breaks compatibility or support, that we would (where possible) make this the first release of the year.  Therefore, at this time, we anticipate supporting Windows 7 until, at least, the first release in 2023.

I would also say that we strongly recommend everyone should, where possible, use a supported version of Windows.  Microsoft stopped support for Windows 7 two years ago - 14th January 2020.  There are numerous reasons to upgrade.  One of the biggest is that any exploits found in the operating system not only won't be patched by Microsoft, but cyber criminals know that and will actively try to exploit them.  Even an anti-virus program which can still be updated on Windows 7 may not be able to protect you from a vulnerability in the operating system itself.

As well as this, users on Windows 10 have access to more features with NVDA such as Windows OneCore Voices.  The majority of NVDA users are on Windows 10.  Therefore, NVDA on Windows 10 gets more testing and attention generally. It is the most well supported platform. (If you're looking to upgrade right up to Windows 11 then NVDA 2021.3.1 supports Windows 11.  More users will migrate to that platform over time so it will only continue to improve).

When Microsoft dropped support for Windows XP in April 2014, NVDA continued to support it until 2017.3, in August 2017.  While we can't guarantee how far into the future we will support Windows 7, we will do so until continuing to support it becomes problematic for supporting current features of Windows 10 / 11.  Once we determine that we need to drop support, we will give the community as much notice as possible.

As always, if you have any questions, please do ask!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager


Re: Addon updater 22.01

Chris
 

If you go to the nvda tools menu and open the manage ad-owns dialog you will find a link to the get addons page where you will locate your desired add-on

 

 

From: Gabriele Battaglia via groups.io
Sent: 11 January 2022 08:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater 22.01

 

Hi, can someone point me to the URL to download the newest addon updater

from Joseph Lee?

 

Thanks.

 

Gabe.

 

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Re: Addon updater 22.01

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Reply to Joseph Lee's message, wrote on 11/01/2022 at 10:36:

Hi,

NOte that after installing the new add-on version from the below link, Add-on Updater may prompt you to "upgrade" to an older release; ignore it: https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.01/addonUpdater-22.01.nvda-addon
Thank you Joseph... for this and above all for all the great work you did and you're doing.

Gabe.


Re: Addon updater 22.01

 

Hi,

NOte that after installing the new add-on version from the below link, Add-on Updater may prompt you to "upgrade" to an older release; ignore it: https://github.com/josephsl/addonUpdater/releases/download/22.01/addonUpdater-22.01.nvda-addon

Cheers,

The author of Add-on Updater add-on


Addon updater 22.01

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Hi, can someone point me to the URL to download the newest addon updater from Joseph Lee?

Thanks.

Gabe.

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Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi, Tyler,


I took the plunge to test it while connected to the machine with my friend not present.

I updated the add-on, copied the settings over to be used for UAC and security prompts, then went ahead and updated NVDA on the machine in question.

All seems to be working fine, both with UAC dialogues as well as the security check for entering a PIN.


Thanks,

Nermin


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi,


Got it, thanks a bunch!


Do you know what caused this weird issue in the first place?

Will test it once my friend gets back from work.


Regards,

Nermin


Re: NVDA and formatting on a webpage

Ali Colak
 

İ can't say if this will help without seeing the page, but perhaps
going to the document formatting section in the NVDA preferences and
changing some of the settings, then checking the checkbox to report
formatting changes might help. Again, I don't know if this is the
case, but its worth a try. There just might be a problem with the way
the page is formatted.

On 1/10/22, Jujube <ellaxyu@...> wrote:
NVDA+F

On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 7:24 PM Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...>
wrote:

Hello,

Is the NVDA key plus F the only command to read how text is sformatted
(underline, bold etc)? A site that I use for my kids’ school has
different
math questions with certain numbers underlined. For some of them, NVDA
plus
F reads the underlined digit, but not for others. Would appreciate any
suggestions if there is any way around this without asking for sighted
help. Thanks.



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Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Tyler Spivey
 

On 1/10/2022 9:53 PM, Nermin via groups.io wrote:
Hi,
I'd love to, but I'm neither signed up with Github nor do I have any compiler.


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi,


I'd love to, but I'm neither signed up with Github nor do I have any compiler.


SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...>
 

Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border"). Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards, Martin.


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Tyler Spivey
 

Try compiling the latest git master. That should fix it.

On 12/22/2021 2:36 PM, Nermin via groups.io wrote:
Hi all,
a friend of mine and I are using NVDA to remote a PC that is streaming audio over TeamTalk. The machine in question is a Dell XPS13 on Windows 10 21H1, and, due to the add-on incompatibility with NVDA 2021.X, still using NVDA 2020.4.
Whenever I try updating the add-on to version 2.4, I am basically locked out of the laptop in question, since there is a PIN or security dialogue in place.
With v 2.3 of the add-on, I can always enter the PIN with no problem whatsoever.
As soon as we update the add-on to make way for a new NVDA installation, I can only access the machine so long as there is no UAC-related dialogue or the laptop does not go into screen lock mode.
Has anyone seen this and is there a fix?
I've contacted the developers on their e-mail address, but no answer whatsoever. I've also tried searching the Github page, but nobody seems to have that issue.
We've tried uninstalling both NVDA, the add-on, also cleared the "use current settings for logon" and copied that over again, none of which did anythingto resolve the issue. We've also used other laptops to tap into the system, but every laptop produced the same result.
Any idea is welcome, or if anyone knows of current ways to reach the developers, please post.
I know that the UAC comes up and wants a PIN cause I can hear it on TeamTalk, but that part does not handshake with my system for some reason and I cannot
enter anything, as if there were no connection.
Regards,
Nermin

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