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Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

Tony Malykh
 

Could you provide more information? Steps to repro?

Just tried on my computer and it seems to work fine.


On 1/11/2022 12:19 PM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3, but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1 by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.

 

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From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

 

I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again

 

 


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi, Tyler,


we've done a lot of testing and everything works as expected.

Is this version going to be put up on the regular add-on site, or do I just keep it for archiving purposes locally?


Thanks again for the fix,

Nermin


Re: Filling PDF Forms

Gene
 

Before the agent did this, when you moved through the form, was there any indication that they were fillable or did you just hear text, as though the intent was to print the document?
 
Gene
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
 

I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 

 

If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 

 

I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Bhavya shah

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Re: Filling PDF Forms

Sarah k Alawami
 

I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 

 

If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 

 

I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Re: Filling PDF Forms

Gene
 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 
 
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 
 
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
 
Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





Re: Filling PDF Forms

David Csercsics
 

Did you get NVDA to read a PDF in Adobe Reader? The latest version of both NVDA and Reader here won’t even open. Assuming you get it to open, I’ve had reasonable results in the past once Adobe automatically tags the form. You do need the read form fields feature enabled in the reading options in Adobe.

On 2022-01-12 10:31 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Filling PDF Forms

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Tecnical question to devs.

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Hello.

I apologize to those who aren't interested. Here is a tecnical question specific to developers or to those of you who have programming skills.


As you may know, I like programming some small tools with Python3.

My script run on console only, at least for the moment, :)


I'm always searching for a non-blocking input method which allows me to monitor the keyboard while the script is doing something else.


Before I wanted to create cross-platform applications, so I couldn't use solution from Microsoft. But now that I'm more and more disappointed from VoiceOver on MacOS, I'm dismissing my iMac computer and rebuilt my home station back on Windows again. So I can use MS solution even though I won't be able to give my script to those blind friend who continue to use MacOS on their computers.


What I need is called msvcrt, with its functions kbhit (a boolean value true when a key is pressed and getwch which reports that key). There would be also getch but I don't still know exactly what it is for.


The problem with NVDA is for instance,

if I wrote this:


import msvcrt

print("Gimme a character: ",end="")
while True:
    if msvcrt.kbhit:
        choice=msvcrt.getwch()
        break
print(choice)

NVDA speaks out the output but I have nothing on my Braille display.

On the other hand, if I import sys also and I call sys.stdout.flush() after the print() statement, I can read the output normally as it happens with a simple print() statement.


Now, 4 questions:

1. Why this happens on my Braille Display?
2. What is flush and what it does?

3. Is there some, more elegant :) way to fix this problem?

4. Do you know some library, simple to use, for a non-blocking input pourpose?


Many, many thanks to all.

Gabe.


LibreOffice Calc Global Commands Extension add-on

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

When using LibreOffice Calc and I want to copy cell contents to the clipboard, pressing Control+c causes NVDA to say “No Selection” even though the data is copied successfully.  Is this because Libreoffice Calc accessibility is MSAA based rather than UIA?  Does the Global Commands Extension  add-on require a UIA notification event to trigger  the voicing of “Copy”?

Cheers

                Chris

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Braille Cursor and Web Browsing

H l
 

Hey everyone,

 

I’m using the orbit reader 20 plus and windows 10. When dong web browsing and using braille, what are the best settings to use to make the braille cursor show the same thing as what a sighted person is looking at? I’m getting complaints for moving around when I press something on the display to read what they’re reading.

 

Thanks for any help,

Harmony.


Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

Hi Tony!
Thank you so much for your awesome complements. Especially I am really
appreciating the noticeable improvement of indent nav speed in VS
Code. It's great!
I wonder if that improvement in the indent nav algorithm will be
transferable to Word Nav? VS Code doesn't behave as I would like when
navigating with Control and arrows, but with Word Nav it does. The
problem is that in larger files Word Nav causes NVDA to take a long
time to read the words.
Do you think there is a way to fix that related to how you did it with
Indent Nav?

Have a great year!

2022-01-11 17:19 GMT-03:00, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...>:

Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try
to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught
it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3,
but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons
disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1
by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.



Sent from Mail for Windows



From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features



I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the
latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:



Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great
creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound
separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia
sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again





Re: NVDA add-on CloudVision

alexey
 

Hello. I am the developer of this add-on.
Make sure that the window is expanded to full screen.
Try to go one level higher in object navigation (NVDA+NumPad8)


NVDA add-on CloudVision

juergenkohler23@...
 

Hello,
 
Do any of you have experience with the NVDA add-on CloudVision (https://github.com/alekssamos/cloudvision)?
Images located on websites are described relatively reliably; but when I want to analyse images on my desktop/PC, the add-on somehow doesn't seem to work...
Are you making the same observation or am I just doing something wrong in the operation of the add-on?
 
I would be very pleased to receive answers!
 
With best regards


Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

 

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 04:52 PM, Louise Pfau wrote:
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar. 

-
Louise,

I'll have to give that a whirl when I'm using a machine with Intel graphics.  The one I'm using now, and using most often, has AMD Radeon R7 graphics and wouldn't have the same commands.

I just tried the CTRL + ALT + Left/Right/Up/Down arrow keys and nothing amiss occurs.  Well, one thing, NVDA started up when I hit CTRL + ALT + Right Arrow, but that's because I tweaked the desktop shortcut when playing with all this a few days ago.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

Gene
 

Louise and all
It should work anywhere that you are not in browse mode and where a program isn’t using those commands.  I would expect it would cause this action in most places.  Of course, you would have to have a video display that uses the commands.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation
 
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 03:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just curious, but what's the exact sequence to make this happen?  I'd love to try it out myself for the fun of it .
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar.  I got there by mistake.  Both my computer and the computer I'm using to check the archive use Intel drivers, which was mentioned in a later message as the cause.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Using table navigation commands in focus mode flips Windows screen orientation

Louise Pfau
 

On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 03:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just curious, but what's the exact sequence to make this happen?  I'd love to try it out myself for the fun of it .
Try using one of the table commands while focused on the address bar.  I got there by mistake.  Both my computer and the computer I'm using to check the archive use Intel drivers, which was mentioned in a later message as the cause.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

abdul muhamin
 

Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3, but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1 by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

 

I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again

 

 


Re: NVDA support for Windows 7

 

Hi

I'm sure there might be questions about add-ons and Windows 7, and for those, please ask add-on developers for details. I'll put up a statement about my own add-ons soon.

To add to a message from Brian, unless your computer belongs to a company that has elected to pay Microsoft for extended security updates until around this time next year, please upgrade to at least Windows 10.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA support for Windows 7

 

I had not realized that this topic was also started in the NVDA Developer's Group, and actually answered it there, but I feel the answer I made there needs to be repeated here.  The very beginning is a snippet of what one of the NVDA developers said.
------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 08:52 AM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
therefore we would do whatever we reasonably can to provide you with an up-to-date AT.
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The key word here being "reasonable."

It is no longer reasonable, by anyone's estimation that I've seen speaking, to continue to support XP.   There are multiple versions of NVDA, up to and including 2021.3.1, that still continue to support Windows 7.  But Windows 7 is out of support, and it is not unreasonable to expect, in fact, I'd say it's entirely reasonable to expect, that Windows 7 will be "left in the dust" eventually just like XP was.  It is the natural progression.

I have been in the computer support business for home and (very) small businesses for over a decade now and in all that time have had one, and only one, laptop that could not upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10.  I also had one, and only one, machine, a Dell Inspiron 1720, where a driver for its Elon mousepad could not be sourced that would work with Windows 10 (which, of course, would be irrelevant to most screen reader users). Every other machine, whether it was a laptop or desktop, that started life with Windows 7 upgraded just fine to Windows 10 and has had no issue running with it.  And almost none of those was "officially blessed" by either Microsoft or it's original manufacturer to be Windows 10 compabible.

We, as a community, need to stop this pretense that Windows 7 users cannot, and should not be expected to, upgrade to Windows 10.  The process is simple, remains free, and is entirely accessible (after a certain point is reached very early on in the process) using Narrator during the upgrade.

We don't support XP, and over the longer term, we absolutely should not expect support for Windows 7.  People should not be using Windows 7, it is unsafe to do so, and that's not just for them, but for the entire ecosystem of cyberspace.  Security patches ceased, the OS is out of support, Microsoft has retired it.  That has always been "the end of the story" when it comes to Windows versions.  I have no earthly idea why there is a contingent that thinks that Windows 7 should receive some "special dispensation" from a process that has been ongoing for as long as I've been in computing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Addon updater 22.01

 

Hi,

However, since Add-on Updater 22.01 is not available from community add-ons website, that method will not work for now.

Cheers,

Joseph

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