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Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)
Tony Malykh
SentenceNav has been reported to work well for unicode languages: Russian, Chinese, Arabic are just a few.
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If you could send me an example text or sentence in your language I can take a look.
On 1/11/2022 5:50 AM, harshad solanki wrote:
sentence nav released after version 2.7, is not working with unicode
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Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)
Tony Malykh
I can't fix this as I cannot see this myself. However, if you can fix this - pull request would be welcome.
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On 1/10/2022 9:34 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
Hello Tony, others,
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Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1
George McCoy
Many thanks, Brian. I'll do that.
George
On 1/12/2022 1:09 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.
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Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1
Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.
There were problems with updating both NVDA itself and NVDA Add-Ons during the 2021.1 and 2021.2 era that have all been resolved in 2021.3 and later. If he really wants 2021.2, then still install 2021.3.1, uninstall it, and then install 2021.2. The thing that gets fixed, that is causing the problem, is external to NVDA itself and once 2021.3 or later has been installed the issue vanishes even if you go back to an earlier release that was balking at installing. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1
George McCoy
A friend of mine was upgrading from 2021.1 to 2021.2. He got an error saying the installation failed, after which neither version of NvDA runs in either the admin or user account.
Since NVDA does not run, I don't know how to look at the log to see if it still contains any information about the installation error. I decided to try to completely uninstall NVDA and reinstall it. NVDA does not appear in the list of installed programs in settings or the control pannel The NVDA folder and at least some of its files still exist in c:\Program Files (x86). I ran the uninstall.exe program from there, but it did not uninstall the program. Uninstall.exe said it was uninstalling nvda from folder. It showed a blank read only edit box any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, George
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.
Devin,
Thanks. Though I will say that the link I gave was correct, taken directly from the Freelists subscription page. Why in heaven's name they didn't use either a capital 'L', to make that clear, or a font that differentiates lowercase 'l' from uppercase 'I' I do not know. I thought it was someone's catchy idea for not spelling out 'eye'. But when you are actually reading that page the 'l' after the "program-" and the "I" in "V.I." are visually indistinguishable. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.
Devin Prater
That's an L, not an I. :) the URL is:
On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:51 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: Gabe,
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.
Gabe,
You are highly unlikely to get an answer to your queries (which are good ones) on this group since it is almost entirely composed of end users and is focused on end users of NVDA. You really need to be asking this on a blind developer list, of which there are many. One of the most recently recommended is the Program-I List for Visually Impaired Developers on freelists.org. If Jackie and Joseph Lee both like it, that's recommendation enough for me. I would strongly suggest you join and start asking away there, as the community is dedicated to just these sorts of questions. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: Filling PDF Forms
Bhavya,
The only suggestion I have for trying to fill out what amounts to a PDF electronic version of a form meant to be printed is either using Acrobat (as in the editing software, not Reader) to open it or one of the more recent versions of Microsoft Word that will open PDFs, converting them to MS-Word format, and doing a reasonably decent, if not always 100% perfect, job of keeping the formatting. But, if it's something that you know is going to need to be filled out, again and again, I'd be pushing the originator of said PDF form to make it a real, fillable PDF form. That's not rocket science, and (believe it or not), even the sighted love these forms they can open and fill-out by typing. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features
Tony Malykh
Have you tried the latest version of WordNav? I improved its performance in VSCode.
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On 1/12/2022 4:31 AM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi Tony!
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Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features
Tony Malykh
Could you provide more information? Steps to repro? Just tried on my computer and it seems to work fine.
On 1/11/2022 12:19 PM, abdul muhamin
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Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.
Nermin
Hi, Tyler,
we've done a lot of testing and everything works as expected. Is this version going to be put up on the regular add-on site, or do I just keep it for archiving purposes locally? Thanks again for the fix, Nermin
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Re: Filling PDF Forms
Gene
Before the agent did this, when you moved through the form, was there any
indication that they were fillable or did you just hear text, as though the
intent was to print the document?
Gene
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
Gene -----Original Message----- I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present. If that Gene -----Original Message----- From: Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM To: nvda Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
Dear all,
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Re: Filling PDF Forms
I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
Gene -----Original Message----- I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present. If that Gene -----Original Message----- From: Bhavya shah Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM To: nvda Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
Dear all,
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Re: Filling PDF Forms
Gene
If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with
no form fields. I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you
would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it.
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text
in the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other
way would be required. Again, it may be expected that the document be
printed and returned.
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a
screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them. If that
occurs, then the document isn’t accessible. You would thhen need sighted
assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity
that sent you the form.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show
fillable fields if they are present. If that
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bhavya shah
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms Dear
all, One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering its structure or formatting? I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this. Best Regards, Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Re: Filling PDF Forms
David Csercsics
Did you get NVDA to read a PDF in Adobe Reader? The latest version of both NVDA and Reader here won’t even open. Assuming you get it to open, I’ve had reasonable results in the past once Adobe automatically tags the form. You do need the read form fields feature enabled in the reading options in Adobe.
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On 2022-01-12 10:31 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,
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Filling PDF Forms
Bhavya shah
Dear all,
One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering its structure or formatting? I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this. Best Regards, Bhavya Shah Stanford University | Class of 2024 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
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Tecnical question to devs.
Gabriele Battaglia
Hello.
I apologize to those who aren't interested. Here is a tecnical question specific to developers or to those of you who have programming skills. As you may know, I like programming some small tools with Python3. My script run on console only, at least for the moment, :) I'm always searching for a non-blocking input method which allows me to monitor the keyboard while the script is doing something else. Before I wanted to create cross-platform applications, so I couldn't use solution from Microsoft. But now that I'm more and more disappointed from VoiceOver on MacOS, I'm dismissing my iMac computer and rebuilt my home station back on Windows again. So I can use MS solution even though I won't be able to give my script to those blind friend who continue to use MacOS on their computers. What I need is called msvcrt, with its functions kbhit (a boolean value true when a key is pressed and getwch which reports that key). There would be also getch but I don't still know exactly what it is for. The problem with NVDA is for instance, if I wrote this: import msvcrt print("Gimme a character: ",end="") while True: if msvcrt.kbhit: choice=msvcrt.getwch() break print(choice) NVDA speaks out the output but I have nothing on my Braille display. On the other hand, if I import sys also and I call sys.stdout.flush() after the print() statement, I can read the output normally as it happens with a simple print() statement. Now, 4 questions: 1. Why this happens on my Braille Display? 2. What is flush and what it does? 3. Is there some, more elegant :) way to fix this problem? 4. Do you know some library, simple to use, for a non-blocking input pourpose? Many, many thanks to all. Gabe.
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LibreOffice Calc Global Commands Extension add-on
Chris Mullins
Hi When using LibreOffice Calc and I want to copy cell contents to the clipboard, pressing Control+c causes NVDA to say “No Selection” even though the data is copied successfully. Is this because Libreoffice Calc accessibility is MSAA based rather than UIA? Does the Global Commands Extension add-on require a UIA notification event to trigger the voicing of “Copy”? Cheers Chris Sent from Mail for Windows
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Braille Cursor and Web Browsing
H l
Hey everyone,
I’m using the orbit reader 20 plus and windows 10. When dong web browsing and using braille, what are the best settings to use to make the braille cursor show the same thing as what a sighted person is looking at? I’m getting complaints for moving around when I press something on the display to read what they’re reading.
Thanks for any help, Harmony.
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