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Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

Tony Malykh
 

SentenceNav has been reported to work well for unicode languages: Russian, Chinese, Arabic are just a few.

If you could send me an example text or sentence in your language I can take a look.

On 1/11/2022 5:50 AM, harshad solanki wrote:
sentence nav released after version 2.7, is not working with unicode
based language like hindi and gujarati. it always reads after cutting
few portion of text from beginning of the sentence and does not follow
user defined unicode based language's sentence separator. currently,
i'm using sentence nav v2.7 which works perfectly for me.

On 11/01/2022, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:
Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This
seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down
to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the
first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border").
Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is
visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that
are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the
settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to
the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get
space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult
to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding
layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards, Martin.







Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

Tony Malykh
 

I can't fix this as I cannot see this myself. However, if you can fix this - pull request would be welcome.

On 1/10/2022 9:34 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border"). Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards,   Martin.




Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

George McCoy
 

Many thanks, Brian. I'll do that.


George

On 1/12/2022 1:09 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.

There were problems with updating both NVDA itself and NVDA Add-Ons during the 2021.1 and 2021.2 era that have all been resolved in 2021.3 and later.

If he really wants 2021.2, then still install 2021.3.1, uninstall it, and then install 2021.2.  The thing that gets fixed, that is causing the problem, is external to NVDA itself and once 2021.3 or later has been installed the issue vanishes even if you go back to an earlier release that was balking at installing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

 

Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.

There were problems with updating both NVDA itself and NVDA Add-Ons during the 2021.1 and 2021.2 era that have all been resolved in 2021.3 and later.

If he really wants 2021.2, then still install 2021.3.1, uninstall it, and then install 2021.2.  The thing that gets fixed, that is causing the problem, is external to NVDA itself and once 2021.3 or later has been installed the issue vanishes even if you go back to an earlier release that was balking at installing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

George McCoy
 

A friend of mine was upgrading from 2021.1 to 2021.2. He got an error saying the installation failed, after which neither version of NvDA runs in either the admin or user account.

Since NVDA does not run, I don't know how to look at the log to see if it still contains any information about the installation error.

I decided to try to completely uninstall NVDA and reinstall it. NVDA does not appear in the list of installed programs in settings or the control pannel

The NVDA folder and at least some of its files still exist in c:\Program Files (x86).

I ran the uninstall.exe program from there, but it did not uninstall the program.

Uninstall.exe said it was uninstalling nvda from folder. It showed a blank read only edit box

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

George


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

 

Devin,

Thanks.  Though I will say that the link I gave was correct, taken directly from the Freelists subscription page.

Why in heaven's name they didn't use either a capital 'L', to make that clear, or a font that differentiates lowercase 'l' from uppercase 'I' I do not know.  I thought it was someone's catchy idea for not spelling out 'eye'.

But when you are actually reading that page the 'l' after the "program-" and the "I" in "V.I." are visually indistinguishable.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

Devin Prater
 

That's an L, not an I. :) the URL is:


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:51 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Gabe,

You are highly unlikely to get an answer to your queries (which are good ones) on this group since it is almost entirely composed of end users and is focused on end users of NVDA.

You really need to be asking this on a blind developer list, of which there are many.  One of the most recently recommended is the Program-I List for Visually Impaired Developers on freelists.org.  If Jackie and Joseph Lee both like it, that's recommendation enough for me.  I would strongly suggest you join and start asking away there, as the community is dedicated to just these sorts of questions.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

 

Gabe,

You are highly unlikely to get an answer to your queries (which are good ones) on this group since it is almost entirely composed of end users and is focused on end users of NVDA.

You really need to be asking this on a blind developer list, of which there are many.  One of the most recently recommended is the Program-I List for Visually Impaired Developers on freelists.org.  If Jackie and Joseph Lee both like it, that's recommendation enough for me.  I would strongly suggest you join and start asking away there, as the community is dedicated to just these sorts of questions.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Filling PDF Forms

 

Bhavya,

The only suggestion I have for trying to fill out what amounts to a PDF electronic version of a form meant to be printed is either using Acrobat (as in the editing software, not Reader) to open it or one of the more recent versions of Microsoft Word that will open PDFs, converting them to MS-Word format, and doing a reasonably decent, if not always 100% perfect, job of keeping the formatting.

But, if it's something that you know is going to need to be filled out, again and again, I'd be pushing the originator of said PDF form to make it a real, fillable PDF form.  That's not rocket science, and (believe it or not), even the sighted love these forms they can open and fill-out by typing.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

Tony Malykh
 

Have you tried the latest version of WordNav? I improved its performance in VSCode.

On 1/12/2022 4:31 AM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi Tony!
Thank you so much for your awesome complements. Especially I am really
appreciating the noticeable improvement of indent nav speed in VS
Code. It's great!
I wonder if that improvement in the indent nav algorithm will be
transferable to Word Nav? VS Code doesn't behave as I would like when
navigating with Control and arrows, but with Word Nav it does. The
problem is that in larger files Word Nav causes NVDA to take a long
time to read the words.
Do you think there is a way to fix that related to how you did it with
Indent Nav?

Have a great year!

2022-01-11 17:19 GMT-03:00, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@...>:
Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try
to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught
it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3,
but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons
disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1
by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.



Sent from Mail for Windows



From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features



I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the
latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:



Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great
creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound
separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia
sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again





Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

Tony Malykh
 

Could you provide more information? Steps to repro?

Just tried on my computer and it seems to work fine.


On 1/11/2022 12:19 PM, abdul muhamin wrote:

Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I try to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I thaught it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to 2021.3, but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons 1 by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

 

I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with the latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

 

Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA sound separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again

 

 


Re: NVDA Remote 2.4 Faulty with 2021.3.1 and Below.

Nermin
 

Hi, Tyler,


we've done a lot of testing and everything works as expected.

Is this version going to be put up on the regular add-on site, or do I just keep it for archiving purposes locally?


Thanks again for the fix,

Nermin


Re: Filling PDF Forms

Gene
 

Before the agent did this, when you moved through the form, was there any indication that they were fillable or did you just hear text, as though the intent was to print the document?
 
Gene
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
 

I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 

 

If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 

 

I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Bhavya shah

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Re: Filling PDF Forms

Sarah k Alawami
 

I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 

 

If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 

 

I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Re: Filling PDF Forms

Gene
 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 
 
If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 
 
I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
 
Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/





Re: Filling PDF Forms

David Csercsics
 

Did you get NVDA to read a PDF in Adobe Reader? The latest version of both NVDA and Reader here won’t even open. Assuming you get it to open, I’ve had reasonable results in the past once Adobe automatically tags the form. You do need the read form fields feature enabled in the reading options in Adobe.

On 2022-01-12 10:31 a.m., Bhavya shah wrote:
Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Filling PDF Forms

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Tecnical question to devs.

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Hello.

I apologize to those who aren't interested. Here is a tecnical question specific to developers or to those of you who have programming skills.


As you may know, I like programming some small tools with Python3.

My script run on console only, at least for the moment, :)


I'm always searching for a non-blocking input method which allows me to monitor the keyboard while the script is doing something else.


Before I wanted to create cross-platform applications, so I couldn't use solution from Microsoft. But now that I'm more and more disappointed from VoiceOver on MacOS, I'm dismissing my iMac computer and rebuilt my home station back on Windows again. So I can use MS solution even though I won't be able to give my script to those blind friend who continue to use MacOS on their computers.


What I need is called msvcrt, with its functions kbhit (a boolean value true when a key is pressed and getwch which reports that key). There would be also getch but I don't still know exactly what it is for.


The problem with NVDA is for instance,

if I wrote this:


import msvcrt

print("Gimme a character: ",end="")
while True:
    if msvcrt.kbhit:
        choice=msvcrt.getwch()
        break
print(choice)

NVDA speaks out the output but I have nothing on my Braille display.

On the other hand, if I import sys also and I call sys.stdout.flush() after the print() statement, I can read the output normally as it happens with a simple print() statement.


Now, 4 questions:

1. Why this happens on my Braille Display?
2. What is flush and what it does?

3. Is there some, more elegant :) way to fix this problem?

4. Do you know some library, simple to use, for a non-blocking input pourpose?


Many, many thanks to all.

Gabe.


LibreOffice Calc Global Commands Extension add-on

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

When using LibreOffice Calc and I want to copy cell contents to the clipboard, pressing Control+c causes NVDA to say “No Selection” even though the data is copied successfully.  Is this because Libreoffice Calc accessibility is MSAA based rather than UIA?  Does the Global Commands Extension  add-on require a UIA notification event to trigger  the voicing of “Copy”?

Cheers

                Chris

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Braille Cursor and Web Browsing

H l
 

Hey everyone,

 

I’m using the orbit reader 20 plus and windows 10. When dong web browsing and using braille, what are the best settings to use to make the braille cursor show the same thing as what a sighted person is looking at? I’m getting complaints for moving around when I press something on the display to read what they’re reading.

 

Thanks for any help,

Harmony.

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