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Re: NVDA add-on CloudVision

juergenkohler23@...
 

Hi alexey,
 
thank you for your answer!
I have tried the full screen, but it doesn't seem to be enough yet. Often, after starting the recognition, you get a message that the recognition is complete, but still nothing is read out. If I place the mouse cursor on the image and drag the NVDA cursor to the mouse cursor, both the font and the image are analysed in full screen mode. Is there also a way to do this without the mouse cursor, e.g. with the NVDA focus (CTRL+Num-). I have tried this procedure, but unfortunately without success...
 
With best regards!


Re: nvda lagging when inputting

Gene
 

I just tested for the problem on my Windows 7 machine.  There is a long lag before speech is heard when typing and typing slowly results in suggestions starting to be spoken because the slow typing gives time for this speech before typing another letter interrupts it. 


I don't think you can do anything about this.  I don't think my suggestion of how to stop the problem is a good one because even if you could turn off suggestions, you then probably wouldn't see the results in the start menu.  Others may wish to comment on that.  My suggestions for workarounds  are to not listen for carachters to be echoed in that one place or to turn speech off.


Gene

On 1/13/2022 6:47 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

Your message appears to say that this only happens in the start menu.  I don't know what would cause such a problem.  If your husband wants to hear speech, he may not like this work around.  If, however, he doesn't mind not hearing speech in this one place, this might be a good work around.  If hearing delayed speech is distracting or makes typing difficult, you could turn off speech before typing.  You can use NVDA+s to turn off speech.  Use the command twice to turn speech back on.


Others may have suggestions of something to change in the start menu to try to solve the problem. I have a suggestion about what might cause the problem but it is very general and others may have specific ones.  Perhaps the slowdown is caused by suggestions shown as you type.  Perhaps turning off this feature would speed up typing.  More specific suggestions as to what the feature might be would have to come from others.  I don't have a Windows 10 or 11 machine yet.


Gene
On 1/12/2022 10:24 PM, Jennifer Aucoin wrote:
HI everyone:

My husband is using the most recent version. He has some lag between the time a letter is typed in the start menu and when he hears it through NVDA. Any suggestions to fix it? 


Re: nvda lagging when inputting

Gene
 

Your message appears to say that this only happens in the start menu.  I don't know what would cause such a problem.  If your husband wants to hear speech, he may not like this work around.  If, however, he doesn't mind not hearing speech in this one place, this might be a good work around.  If hearing delayed speech is distracting or makes typing difficult, you could turn off speech before typing.  You can use NVDA+s to turn off speech.  Use the command twice to turn speech back on.


Others may have suggestions of something to change in the start menu to try to solve the problem. I have a suggestion about what might cause the problem but it is very general and others may have specific ones.  Perhaps the slowdown is caused by suggestions shown as you type.  Perhaps turning off this feature would speed up typing.  More specific suggestions as to what the feature might be would have to come from others.  I don't have a Windows 10 or 11 machine yet.


Gene

On 1/12/2022 10:24 PM, Jennifer Aucoin wrote:
HI everyone:

My husband is using the most recent version. He has some lag between the time a letter is typed in the start menu and when he hears it through NVDA. Any suggestions to fix it? 


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

Gabriele Battaglia
 

Thank you.

I just posted there too.

Ciao.

Gabe.


Re: nvda lagging when inputting

Sarah k Alawami
 

So, you say most recent but can you give an exact version number as some of us are on snapshots. Also what version of windows and if possible what model of computer.

 

Happy hump day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jennifer Aucoin
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda lagging when inputting

 

HI everyone:

 

My husband is using the most recent version. He has some lag between the time a letter is typed in the start menu and when he hears it through NVDA. Any suggestions to fix it? 


nvda lagging when inputting

Jennifer Aucoin
 

HI everyone:

My husband is using the most recent version. He has some lag between the time a letter is typed in the start menu and when he hears it through NVDA. Any suggestions to fix it? 


Re: Bhavya Shah, from India to the USA, part 3

Quentin Christensen
 

Lino,

Apologies for coming in late, but if you haven't found the earlier parts of the Bhavya interview series yet, here are all the links:


Each part also links to the earlier parts in case you come across it independently.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Dec 22, 2021 at 2:17 AM Lino Morales <linomorales001@...> wrote:

OK where can I find parts I and II? Thanks.

On 12/21/2021 12:12 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

NV Access is very proud to share part 3 of our series of interviews with Bhavya Shah. Bhavya talks about his involvement in the NVDA community and his contributions. Excitingly, these were one factor mentioned in his college acceptance letters!

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Re: Blind programmer mailing lists

Justin Harford
 

Hello all. Thank you for your help with this. I have joined that listserv.
Justin Harford (he/him/his)
Program Coordinator (NCDE)
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541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
jharford@... (email)


On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:06 PM Jackie <abletec@...> wrote:
Perhaps try program-l@..., Justin. To subscribe, send a
blank msg w/subscribe in the subject line to:
program dash l dash request at freelists dot org
(email munged to prevent spam harvesting).

On 1/10/22, Justin Harford <jharford@...> wrote:
> Greetings everyone
>
> I am digging into learning about Python and command line, and I'm hoping to
> dig into some other programming topics also. I wanted to know if anybody
> could recommend any programmers mailing lists for me to sign up for where I
> could ask entry-level blind programmer questions. Things like how to make
> eclipse work with NVDA, or suggestions for accessible online learning
> resources (I'm currently using codecademy which is spotty on accessibility,
> but I have been able to get about halfway through the beginner Python
> course.)
>
> Regards
> Justin Harford (he/him/his)
> Program Coordinator (NCDE)
> Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
> 132 E Broadway Suite 343
> Eugene OR 97401
> 541-343-1284 <http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B15413431284>ext 1014
> (voice)
> jharford@... (email)
>
>
>
>
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IMPORTANT NOTICE on Joseph Lee's add-ons and Windows 7 and 8.x: preparing to say goodbye in 2022

 

Hello everyone,

The following is a compatibility notice about Joseph Lee’s add-ons and support for Windows 7 and 8.x as a follow-up to the linked NV Access statement on NVDA and Windows 7:

nvda@nvda.groups.io | NVDA support for Windows 7

 

Before reading this, it is important to understand that what I say below is strictly a policy from an add-on author and does not represent the views of the add-ons community. Other add-on authors may have their own thoughts about Windows 7, so please ask them.

NVDA add-on compatibility on Windows 7 and 8.x:

Affected add-ons: Add-on Updater, Enhanced Touch Gestures, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows App Essentials

As consumer support for Windows 7 is no more and extended support for Windows 8.1 is ending in January 2023, I (Joseph Lee) hereby announce that most of my add-ons will end support for Windows 7 (and 8.x) in 2022. Unless your Windows 7 computer is part of a business that receives extended security updates (ESU’s) from Microsoft, please upgrade to a supported Windows release as soon as possible (preferably to Windows 10, or if the system is supported, Windows 11). This change will take effect in mid-2022 (between NVDA 2022.1 and 2022.2 releases), and I will provide a 60-day notice before releasing versions of add-ons requiring at least Windows 8.1, or if warranted, Windows 10 and later.

Exceptions:

  • Add-on Updater: the life of this add-on is tied to a proposal to let NVDA itself check for add-on updates. Shortly after the release of an NVDA version that supports updating add-ons without use of Add-on Updater, this add-on will be discontinued. Therefore as long as NVDA supports Windows 7 and provided that add-on updating isn’t part of NVDA, Add-on Updater will support Windows 7 and 8.x.
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: this add-on does not support Windows 7, but this add-on, too will end support for Windows 8.1 in 2023.
  • Windows App Essentials: you must be running supported Windows 10 or 11 feature updates to use this add-on.

As for NVDA itself and Windows 7, see the NV Access statement linked above.

If you have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: LibreOffice Calc Global Commands Extension add-on

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Chris!

 

I replied separately to your other email on the LO accessibility email list.  About your below, what is the “Global Commands Extension?”

 

Thanks,

Richard  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] LibreOffice Calc Global Commands Extension add-on

 

Hi

When using LibreOffice Calc and I want to copy cell contents to the clipboard, pressing Control+c causes NVDA to say “No Selection” even though the data is copied successfully.  Is this because Libreoffice Calc accessibility is MSAA based rather than UIA?  Does the Global Commands Extension  add-on require a UIA notification event to trigger  the voicing of “Copy”?

Cheers

                Chris

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


Re: Filling PDF Forms

Sarah k Alawami
 

No I just heard text. But everyone else and my agent were writing this in edge and saving it as a pdf etc. I can't show you guys as this was for a private thign we were doing, and I'm not really aloud to distribute those, besides this was sometime last year.


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On 12 Jan 2022, at 8:26, Gene wrote:

Before the agent did this, when you moved through the form, was there any indication that they were fillable or did you just hear text, as though the intent was to print the document?
 
Gene
 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms
 

I had one such case. The aira agent was able to click into the form fields and I was able to type into them, all this while using edge btw, I really don’t know how they did it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

If I understand your question, it is how you fill out a PDF document with no form fields.  I would think in such a case, the expectation is that you would print it and return a paper copy or perhaps fax it. 

 

If you did OCR a PDF file and then fill out answers by inserting text in  the document, I don’t know if that would be accepted or if some other way would be required.  Again, it may be expected that the document be printed and returned. 

 

I don’t know if a PDF document can have form fields that aren’t seen by a screen-reader, using an appropriate program that should show them.  If that occurs, then the document isn’t accessible.  You would thhen need sighted assistance or you would need to work something out with the person or entity that sent you the form.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

I don’t know if there are cases in which a PDF document wouldn’t show fillable fields if they are present.  If that

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Bhavya shah

Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:31 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] Filling PDF Forms

 

Dear all,

One of the tasks I use sighted assistance for but suspect can be done
independently is filling out PDF forms. Properly tagged PDFs which
have editable form fields right in the document, of course, aren't a
problem. Inversely, I understand that scanned, image-based PDF forms
would be a challenge to read let alone fill. However, the kinds of
documents I am referring to right now are generally accessible PDFs
which can either (i) be printed out and physically filled or (ii) be
edited directly and digitally filled. What are methods and software to
edit such PDFs independently using NVDA without accidentally altering
its structure or formatting?

I would truly appreciate your inputs and suggestions on this.

Best Regards,
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/




Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

Tony Malykh
 

SentenceNav has been reported to work well for unicode languages: Russian, Chinese, Arabic are just a few.

If you could send me an example text or sentence in your language I can take a look.

On 1/11/2022 5:50 AM, harshad solanki wrote:
sentence nav released after version 2.7, is not working with unicode
based language like hindi and gujarati. it always reads after cutting
few portion of text from beginning of the sentence and does not follow
user defined unicode based language's sentence separator. currently,
i'm using sentence nav v2.7 which works perfectly for me.

On 11/01/2022, Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...> wrote:
Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This
seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down
to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the
first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border").
Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is
visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that
are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the
settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to
the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get
space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult
to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding
layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards, Martin.







Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)

Tony Malykh
 

I can't fix this as I cannot see this myself. However, if you can fix this - pull request would be welcome.

On 1/10/2022 9:34 PM, Martin J. Dürst wrote:
Hello Tony, others,

I have another problem with the SentenceNav add-on settings panel. This seems to be a problem that only appears visually, not in speech.

What happens is that some of the settings (from "Sentence breakers" down to "Disaple SentenceNav in applications") are all shown on top of the first setting ("Volume of chime when crossing paragraph border"). Because they are on top of each other, only the last one of them is visible.

When I check the program, it seems that all the setting elements that are created via sHelper (gui.guiHelper.BoxSizerHelper) and all the settings with sliders (which use settingSizer, the second argument to the makeSettings) get some space, but all the other settings don't get space.

Because this is a problem of on-screen layout, it may be very difficult to debug. I'm ready to help as much as I can, but any advice regarding layout of settings dialogs is appreciated.

Regards,   Martin.




Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

George McCoy
 

Many thanks, Brian. I'll do that.


George

On 1/12/2022 1:09 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.

There were problems with updating both NVDA itself and NVDA Add-Ons during the 2021.1 and 2021.2 era that have all been resolved in 2021.3 and later.

If he really wants 2021.2, then still install 2021.3.1, uninstall it, and then install 2021.2.  The thing that gets fixed, that is causing the problem, is external to NVDA itself and once 2021.3 or later has been installed the issue vanishes even if you go back to an earlier release that was balking at installing.
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Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

 

Please just upgrade to NVDA 2021.3.1, the most current release.

There were problems with updating both NVDA itself and NVDA Add-Ons during the 2021.1 and 2021.2 era that have all been resolved in 2021.3 and later.

If he really wants 2021.2, then still install 2021.3.1, uninstall it, and then install 2021.2.  The thing that gets fixed, that is causing the problem, is external to NVDA itself and once 2021.3 or later has been installed the issue vanishes even if you go back to an earlier release that was balking at installing.
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Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1

George McCoy
 

A friend of mine was upgrading from 2021.1 to 2021.2. He got an error saying the installation failed, after which neither version of NvDA runs in either the admin or user account.

Since NVDA does not run, I don't know how to look at the log to see if it still contains any information about the installation error.

I decided to try to completely uninstall NVDA and reinstall it. NVDA does not appear in the list of installed programs in settings or the control pannel

The NVDA folder and at least some of its files still exist in c:\Program Files (x86).

I ran the uninstall.exe program from there, but it did not uninstall the program.

Uninstall.exe said it was uninstalling nvda from folder. It showed a blank read only edit box

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

George


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

 

Devin,

Thanks.  Though I will say that the link I gave was correct, taken directly from the Freelists subscription page.

Why in heaven's name they didn't use either a capital 'L', to make that clear, or a font that differentiates lowercase 'l' from uppercase 'I' I do not know.  I thought it was someone's catchy idea for not spelling out 'eye'.

But when you are actually reading that page the 'l' after the "program-" and the "I" in "V.I." are visually indistinguishable.
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.

Devin Prater
 

That's an L, not an I. :) the URL is:


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 12:51 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Gabe,

You are highly unlikely to get an answer to your queries (which are good ones) on this group since it is almost entirely composed of end users and is focused on end users of NVDA.

You really need to be asking this on a blind developer list, of which there are many.  One of the most recently recommended is the Program-I List for Visually Impaired Developers on freelists.org.  If Jackie and Joseph Lee both like it, that's recommendation enough for me.  I would strongly suggest you join and start asking away there, as the community is dedicated to just these sorts of questions.
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.

 

Gabe,

You are highly unlikely to get an answer to your queries (which are good ones) on this group since it is almost entirely composed of end users and is focused on end users of NVDA.

You really need to be asking this on a blind developer list, of which there are many.  One of the most recently recommended is the Program-I List for Visually Impaired Developers on freelists.org.  If Jackie and Joseph Lee both like it, that's recommendation enough for me.  I would strongly suggest you join and start asking away there, as the community is dedicated to just these sorts of questions.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

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Re: Filling PDF Forms

 

Bhavya,

The only suggestion I have for trying to fill out what amounts to a PDF electronic version of a form meant to be printed is either using Acrobat (as in the editing software, not Reader) to open it or one of the more recent versions of Microsoft Word that will open PDFs, converting them to MS-Word format, and doing a reasonably decent, if not always 100% perfect, job of keeping the formatting.

But, if it's something that you know is going to need to be filled out, again and again, I'd be pushing the originator of said PDF form to make it a real, fillable PDF form.  That's not rocket science, and (believe it or not), even the sighted love these forms they can open and fill-out by typing.
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