Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
Gene
I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser,
another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit
field. I haven’t tried other edit fields.
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior.
Gene
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From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product
edit fields Hi.
When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or
Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS
unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field. I tried both Microsoft
Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based
browsers. I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they
are both up-to-date. This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the
Windows search box. I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build
19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build)
(64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build)
(64-bit). Has anyone else come across this? Louise
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NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
Louise Pfau
Hi. When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field. I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers. I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date. This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box. I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit). Has anyone else come across this?
Louise
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Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features
Tony Malykh
Are you dealing with extremely long lines? Could you email me your file?
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I just tried a file with 4000 lines and there is no perceptible delay when using WordNav 1.7 in VSCode.
On 1/13/2022 4:22 PM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi,
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
Not only that, but if you learn to use the ribbons as they are, instructions intended for sighted folks may be all you need to find things from then on, because You’ve done the work to learn to use the native interface with your screenreader.
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:
When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons,- I will again emphasize, I have never seen a single "alternate interface" to the ribbons within programs or within things like File Explorer for the sighted. It's virtually certain that somewhere, such exists, but these have never gained anything approaching wide acceptance if they are out there. I've been working with Windows since the very first version, throughout the menu driven period, and now for all the years of the ribbon-driven period. I have never seen anything that tries to make the ribbons back into menus for sighted users. Just trying to do the visual overlay would be an absolute nightmare, I'd imagine. The overarching philosophy in computing is that it is always best to, "Go with the flow of the native interface currently offered." Many of us, including the sighted, have hated some of the changes as they've come along, but that's always been irrelevant. At least the vast majority of the sighted have simply bitten the bullet and learned to use "what's happenin' now" and kept doing so as this changes in either evolutionary or revolutionary ways. The notable exceptions to that rule being things like Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start10, and similar which attempt to make the Windows OS presentation, and specifically the start menu, look and feel like what existed under Windows 7. But these shells do not extend much beyond that, and certainly do not have anything to do with the ribbons in Windows functions nor application programs. It's often neither easy, nor pleasant, but it is necessary. If someone actually knows of a "Ribbon Skinner" for the sighted, please point me to it, as I'd actually love to see what tortured method would be used to make an alternative that still allows access to the full complement of functions in a given program's ribbon. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
Steve Nutt
That's a bit like the virtual ribbon in JAWS.
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I personally don't think it's the screen reader's job to change the interface to a program, except for example, virtual windows like web pages. I don't think there is any need to change the user experience of a program itself, it leads to possible support problems when Microsoft disability for example, try to support the user. Good luck with the add-on, but I think a better approach is to learn the ribbon system. All the best Steve -- To subscribe to our News and Special Offers list, go to https://www.comproom.co.uk/subscribe Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW T: +44(0)1438-742286 M: +44(0)7956-334938 F: +44(0)1438-759589 E: steve@... W: https://www.comproom.co.uk
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso Sent: 13 January 2022 14:45 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer Hello, Just a message to inform you that a new addon is born... This is still in development stage and is for all people that don't like ribbon. So, probably for 95% of you :-))) Alberto Buffolino developed an addon to enhance experience with Ribbon menu. Only in Office products, for the moment. I copy directly from the readme: Important things to consider: 1. this add-on is in development; 2. confirmed (by users) to work on Microsoft Office 2019, 365 and 2021; 3. compatibility for old NVDA/Office versions is not guaranteed. Usage Simply install, open an Office application, press Alt to access Ribbon, and familiarize with new menu layout. You can use arrows, tab, enter, esc, quite like in a normal menu. Alt+down/upArrow are supported too, for expanding some controls. If there are problems (please report), or you want temporarily interact without add-on assistance, press NVDA+space. Some useful links: download development version from https://github.com/ABuffEr/ribbonExplorer/releases/download/dev/ribbonExplorer-20220112-dev.nvda-addon For support please use the github page: https://github.com/ABuffEr/ribbonExplorer/ Have fun!
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.
Steve Nutt
I think it was the text you added to the link when inserting it.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 12 January 2022 19:05 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tecnical question to devs.
Devin, Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: Tecnical question to devs.
Steve Nutt
Hi Brian,
It’s program-l, not program-i.
All the best
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 12 January 2022 18:51 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Tecnical question to devs.
Gabe, Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
Gene
Brian and all
Whenever I hear about a nonstandard interface, I wonder if functionality is lost and what it is. I'm not assuming anything about this alternate interface but I think that is something that should be asked about any alternate interface.
Also, this quoted statement is incorrect when applied to ribbons: "But then, like sight people can do, we can have a different type of approach and interface."
When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons, he/she can use the standard one, but doesn't like it. In the case of blind people, a lot will use the alternate interface and not know how to use ribbons. That is an important consideration because, as I wrote yesterday, using a nonstandard interface may limit a blind person's use of instructional material and the effectiveness of using help available on lists like this.
Gene
On 1/14/2022 9:01 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:29 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 03:29 AM, Simone Dal Maso wrote:
But then, like sight people can do, we can have a different type of approach and interface.- Which right there is the nonsense part. I am sighted, we don't, and can't, have a different type of approach without the use of things like Classic Shell, Start10, or similar and that does NOT extend to the ribbon interface in programs. I am universally critical of all of these "skinning" type programs (whether visible skinning or virtual skinning) because the only thing I've seen them do is create unawareness of how to use native interfaces, plain and simple. They exist, people have the absolute right to use them, and I have the absolute right to discuss why I think they are very bad ideas and to get people to consider whether they actually want to use them or not, which is all I was trying to do. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Version 22.01 of Joseph Lee's add-ons: now available via Add-on Updater and on community add-ons website
Hello everyone, Version 22.01 of the following add-ons are now available via Add-on Updater and on community add-ons website:
In addition, a number of add-ons were also updated.
IMPORTANT NOTES:
Thanks. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Update issues - NVDA 2021.1 & 2 along with Add-Ons in those two Versions
#adminnotice
On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 08:54 AM, tim wrote:
Well if it solved. Then why does the same issue keep coming back, because not solved.- The answer is simple: It doesn't keep coming back. What's happening is the stragglers who are not updating on a timely basis, nor reading the forum about identified issues like this one, hit the issue much later than the majority and think it's new. That, and only that, is the problem here. This bug was solved, and remains solved. I have yet to hear of a single, solitary person who's installed 2021.3 or later, even if they intentionally rolled back to an earlier version after having done so, having this update issue recur. And with this post, the topic is locked. This was not intended to be a discussion, but a way to let those who remained on earlier versions who are now encountering the update issue how to solve it. And the solution is downloading the installer for the latest NVDA and running it, NOT trying to update from within NVDA itself in those earlier versions because since the problem lies with that mechanism that just doesn't work. There is absolutely no reason to remove any user settings or add-ons to solve THIS particular problem, and it is a complete waste of time and effort to do so. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: update error message
tim
Well its getting to look like so. I haven't gotten it to work sense it started. Always a reinstall to fix and then wonder what other add ons are
broke again!
On 1/13/2022 3:30 PM, Ame wrote:
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Re: Update issues - NVDA 2021.1 & 2 along with Add-Ons in those two Versions
#adminnotice
tim
Well if it solved. Then why does the same issue keep coming back, because not solved. If you want to remove NVDA totally. Just make sure the NVDA folder in program files x86\ NVDA and users\ your account\ apt data\ roaming\ NVDA are deleted. Then when you reinstall it will find nothing left and install like new. Without removing the apt data\ roaming\ NVDA folder. All problems with last install will still be there. may take some time doing a clean remove, but you will waste less time and set it up better. i never keep program settings, because that may be where the
problem is.
On 1/13/2022 5:41 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
We seem to keep having cycles of "the update issue" which is well known, and already solved, popping up again and again. I am hoping this Admin Notice will help those who might encounter the issue to fix it just from having read this message. Please file this if you are using NVDA 2021.1 or 2021.2 (or even some earlier version of NVDA) as you will almost assuredly need this information.
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Re: SentenceNav settings problem (Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features)
Martin J. Dürst <duerst@...>
Hello Tony,
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After fixing the problem myself by looking at examples from the FocusHighlight add-on and using some trial and error, I wanted to create a pull request. However, I found that the problem was already fixed, in a way very similar to mine, by CyrilleB79 in a commit 7 months ago. Apparently, I had an old version, 2.11. I'll try to upgrade to the newest version soon. Many thanks again for this great plugin! Regards, Martin.
On 2022-01-13 04:18, Tony Malykh via groups.io wrote:
I can't fix this as I cannot see this myself. However, if you can fix this - pull request would be welcome.
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Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer
Simone Dal Maso
Hello,
just a short answer. This addon was developed with the idea that people can choose a different type of interface. All people should know how ribbon work and read tutorials and so on. But then, like sight people can do, we can have a different type of approach and interface. For example, I know very well the file explorer ribbon interface of windows10 and windows11. I teach this too, since I make lessons for visual impaired. But on my computer, I use all utilities that remove the stupid ribbon interface and give me the classic menu bar. This because ribbon for me is a terrible interface. So I have the opportunity to remove it, and my brain thanks me! But it absolutely be clear that people must know them. Anyway, I simply wrote a message to inform the list of this addon. I'm not involved on its development.
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Re: Work laptop locks even though say all is active
Hi Brian and Nimer,
I have changed the screen time out setting and have also taken Brian’s suggestion to heart about hitting a key from time to time.
So far, things are working as in the laptop is no longer going to sleep.
Pranav
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Re: Can't uninstall NVDA 2021.2 from Windows 10 21h1
George McCoy
And a very good point it is, Brian. Now that I know where the nvda.log file is written, I can try installing from the portable copy and, if it fails, hopefully, the error code will show up in the log file.
On 1/13/2022 5:20 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 06:08 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features
Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
Hi,
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Thanks for replying. Yes, I have word nav 1.7 installed. In large files like 400 lines for example, it takes a couple of seconds to say the word. Is there anything extra to do? I imagine it must be something complex 2022-01-12 15:44 GMT-03:00, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@...>:
Have you tried the latest version of WordNav? I improved its performance
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Re: Update issues - NVDA 2021.1 & 2 along with Add-Ons in those two Versions
#adminnotice
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 06:44 PM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps this discussion may help many people realize that they can update easily even if the updater doesn’t work for some reason.- I certainly hope so. I have, on occasions, been called upon to install special builds to test fixes to bugs I've reported. I've always just slapped those in and then slapped the production version back in afterward without ever backing up a single user setting or add-on I have installed. They just stay there. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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