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Re: Sleep mode question

Joseph Norton
 

This is true; I already know this.

 

What I’m looking for is a way to have NVDA switch sleep mode on automatically when I open or alt-tab into the particular application, since it is self-voicing.

 

Thanks, anyway.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gtt North Bay
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

To be honest david, I agree with the people that want the older style.

Its why I have ribbon disabler here.

It works and I know where to go.

On other systems where I don't need ribbon access or certain areas I then do use it but on my system, I want what I had.

Since I don't work in any real professional areas and probably will never do so, or even stay on the same upgrade track as everyone else, I see no reason to adapt.

After all I am passed the comply or be left in a hole.

That hole in the sand was filled ages ago, not by me but the world burried me in it.

So I see no reason to struggle much especially since I am approaching my middle years.

I haven't bothered going 11 yet for the same reason and yeeah if I can make windows or whatever look like it used to for me and me alone fine.

I object if I must do it for every user that like uses windows because I'd be foisting my belieffs onto others and I don't want to do that.

I do it because I like it and for me its more accessible but thats just me.

I mean if all units I had had an account of mine configured like that then fine but really its overkill.


On 15/01/2022 2:14 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the viewpoints of why alternative interfaces to the ribbon can be problematic, particularly for users who only use that alternative skin without learning anything about the menu. However, it’s clear to me that it’s not just visually impaired people who try to come up with alternatives to the standard interface that they happen to not like. A while ago I remember a program that attempted to address the desires of users who disliked the ribbon by adding a ribbon tab that attempted to emulate the menu interface. While I don’t know if UbitMenu may have been that program. At the time it was accessible enough that it was more or less usable but because it only added a menu tab to the existing ribbon it really wasn’t a full ribbon replacement. Just yesterday I stumbled upon an article about a start menu skin for Windows 11 to emulate the Win10 start menu and this wasn’t a blindness-specific site. Again, I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the prevailing point of view about this but my point is that there will always be groups of people, sighted as well as blind, who will continually want their computer to function like it did in “the good old days” and there always seems to be someone who’s willing to code a UI to satisfy that need.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

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www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:

When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons,

-
I will again emphasize, I have never seen a single "alternate interface" to the ribbons within programs or within things like File Explorer for the sighted.  It's virtually certain that somewhere, such exists, but these have never gained anything approaching wide acceptance if they are out there.  I've been working with Windows since the very first version, throughout the menu driven period, and now for all the years of the ribbon-driven period.  I have never seen anything that tries to make the ribbons back into menus for sighted users.  Just trying to do the visual overlay would be an absolute nightmare, I'd imagine.

The overarching philosophy in computing is that it is always best to, "Go with the flow of the native interface currently offered."  Many of us, including the sighted, have hated some of the changes as they've come along, but that's always been irrelevant.  At least the vast majority of the sighted have simply bitten the bullet and learned to use "what's happenin' now" and kept doing so as this changes in either evolutionary or revolutionary ways.  The notable exceptions to that rule being things like Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start10, and similar which attempt to make the Windows OS presentation, and specifically the start menu, look and feel like what existed under Windows 7.  But these shells do not extend much beyond that, and certainly do not have anything to do with the ribbons in Windows functions nor application programs.

It's often neither easy, nor pleasant, but it is necessary.  If someone actually knows of a "Ribbon Skinner" for the sighted, please point me to it, as I'd actually love to see what tortured method would be used to make an alternative that still allows access to the full complement of functions in a given program's ribbon.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Gtt North Bay
 

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 08:14 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
but my point is that there will always be groups of people, sighted as well as blind, who will continually want their computer to function like it did in “the good old days” and there always seems to be someone who’s willing to code a UI to satisfy that need.
-
About which we are in complete agreement.  I've actually never asserted anything to the contrary (nor am I saying that you're claiming I have).

Where there's a market . . .
 
--

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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

You can set up a profile which I did, then I manually put nvda to sleep this way when I alt tab away nvda wakes up and when I alt tab back it shuts up.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Sleep mode question

Joseph Norton
 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

David Goldfield
 

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the viewpoints of why alternative interfaces to the ribbon can be problematic, particularly for users who only use that alternative skin without learning anything about the menu. However, it’s clear to me that it’s not just visually impaired people who try to come up with alternatives to the standard interface that they happen to not like. A while ago I remember a program that attempted to address the desires of users who disliked the ribbon by adding a ribbon tab that attempted to emulate the menu interface. While I don’t know if UbitMenu may have been that program. At the time it was accessible enough that it was more or less usable but because it only added a menu tab to the existing ribbon it really wasn’t a full ribbon replacement. Just yesterday I stumbled upon an article about a start menu skin for Windows 11 to emulate the Win10 start menu and this wasn’t a blindness-specific site. Again, I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the prevailing point of view about this but my point is that there will always be groups of people, sighted as well as blind, who will continually want their computer to function like it did in “the good old days” and there always seems to be someone who’s willing to code a UI to satisfy that need.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:

When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons,

-
I will again emphasize, I have never seen a single "alternate interface" to the ribbons within programs or within things like File Explorer for the sighted.  It's virtually certain that somewhere, such exists, but these have never gained anything approaching wide acceptance if they are out there.  I've been working with Windows since the very first version, throughout the menu driven period, and now for all the years of the ribbon-driven period.  I have never seen anything that tries to make the ribbons back into menus for sighted users.  Just trying to do the visual overlay would be an absolute nightmare, I'd imagine.

The overarching philosophy in computing is that it is always best to, "Go with the flow of the native interface currently offered."  Many of us, including the sighted, have hated some of the changes as they've come along, but that's always been irrelevant.  At least the vast majority of the sighted have simply bitten the bullet and learned to use "what's happenin' now" and kept doing so as this changes in either evolutionary or revolutionary ways.  The notable exceptions to that rule being things like Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start10, and similar which attempt to make the Windows OS presentation, and specifically the start menu, look and feel like what existed under Windows 7.  But these shells do not extend much beyond that, and certainly do not have anything to do with the ribbons in Windows functions nor application programs.

It's often neither easy, nor pleasant, but it is necessary.  If someone actually knows of a "Ribbon Skinner" for the sighted, please point me to it, as I'd actually love to see what tortured method would be used to make an alternative that still allows access to the full complement of functions in a given program's ribbon.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

 

Both of the previous suggestions point out why knowing which keyboard layout you are using, as well as which one you'd prefer to use, is often critical when it comes to whether a given NVDA keyboard command works or not.

But we still can't be certain whether or not the original questioner may actually be using the correct command for his chosen layout and something else is wrong.

More information will be needed about which, if either, of the suggested fixes worked.  If neither did, then even more digging will be required.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

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Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

Gtt North Bay
 

Try NVDA+shift+CTRL+arrow keys.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nate Kile
Sent: January 14, 2022 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

 

Hello all,

For some reason, the keystroke to change my NVDA synthesizer settings on the fly is not working. This is the key combination, NVDA + Control with the arrows. When I use the key combinations, it does nothing. If any of you have experienced this, or have some ideas to trouble shoot, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you,
Nate 


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

Eduardo Fermiano Luccas
 

go to NVDA settings and go to the keyboard category, tap until you find the keyboard layout, and select desktop

Em sex., 14 de jan. de 2022 às 19:35, Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> escreveu:

Hello all,

For some reason, the keystroke to change my NVDA synthesizer settings on the fly is not working. This is the key combination, NVDA + Control with the arrows. When I use the key combinations, it does nothing. If any of you have experienced this, or have some ideas to trouble shoot, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you,
Nate 


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Nate Kile
 

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.


On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 
 
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
 
Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

Nate Kile
 

Hello all,

For some reason, the keystroke to change my NVDA synthesizer settings on the fly is not working. This is the key combination, NVDA + Control with the arrows. When I use the key combinations, it does nothing. If any of you have experienced this, or have some ideas to trouble shoot, it would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you,
Nate 


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Well firefox 96 seems to have better processer handling and the latest 96.01 seems to handle displaying of some stuff a lot better to.

Security wize, its quite fast on release runs usually.

And after my own issue with firefox namely noscript I simply have gotten to understand that I just don't bother with that and well things run faster.

With privacy badger causing me issues and https everywhere no longer about.

The only things I use are an addon for rss feeds, I want my rss, add block+ and the extra sounds addon and thats it.

On chrome I use show you rss which does the same thing and add block +.

The addons dialogs on both thunderbird and firefox could be a little more accessible but on the other hand I don't need 1000 addons nore do I really see myself needing to add any more addons to anything.

In fact thunderbird has no addons what so ever.

The only issue that really gets me is that until there is say an file extention which is not included in default setups, I can't do anything till I try to download the thing the first time then I can adjust things.

If I say hide windows installer packages that also effects executable programs which I don't think should be correct.

It also doesn't reccognise nvda-addon files probably because its a weird format even though its just a zip file with a different name.

A while ago there used to be a custom file extention setting but that was ages ago.

These are gripes I have.

I also have the cpu and fan burn to hot when running things but its not like this amd unit has much to do otherwise and its not caused things to crash.

In fact firefox has been really constant from v90 onwards.

I have had waterfox a thing  I used till the end of 2019 get worse and worse to the point it was unusable.

Firefox had a bad patch and I was determined I'd never go back to firefox.

But since the last version that worked was  released august 2020 and I couldn't get any better releases after that that worked I decided to leave classic completely and move to g3.

G3 crashed and screwed up my system a lot and in fact waterfox is still recieving a lot of bad crap on the forums.

I decided to go back to firefox and while I had to leave noscript behind the display issues I had were gone and it worked.

It was a bit slower and crashed from time to time but at least it didn't crash all the time when I visited certain websites no one could find my issues in fact no one seemed to care that much saying nothing was wrong.

The users even told me it was in my head and or it was a problem with windows.

Nothing has changed and the bs has gotten to the point where some users have left.

Ever since waterfox switched to a new investment company it seems like this company is calling the shots rather than its original bosses.

I know firefox is not for everyone.

If you have a slow or an old system then you may not be able to handle it that well.


But it depends what you have loaded.

You really don't need a lot of stuff loaded with this.

I have checked firefox extentions and if you take out the 10-20 search extentions, the 5 or 6 decoders, my extentions which aparently seem to include a few things at least 3 or 4 things, and the mozilla updaters and such there isn't that much.

Some of these are double up so out of 42 different things its more like 20 or less and out of those well as I said its a mixed bag.

On edge most of these are edge related. and in chrome its worse.


Now mozilla has a lot of extra tracking and other stuff but compaired to chrome and or even edge mozilla has about the same components or slightly more than edge


On 15/01/2022 11:16 am, Gene wrote:
I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 
 
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
 
Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Gene
 

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 
 
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
 
Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: Tony's add-ons: updates and new features

Tony Malykh
 

Are you dealing with extremely long lines? Could you email me your file?

I just tried a file with 4000 lines and there is no perceptible delay when using WordNav 1.7 in VSCode.

On 1/13/2022 4:22 PM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for replying. Yes, I have word nav 1.7 installed. In large
files like 400 lines for example, it takes a couple of seconds to say
the word. Is there anything extra to do? I imagine it must be
something complex

2022-01-12 15:44 GMT-03:00, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:
Have you tried the latest version of WordNav? I improved its performance
in VSCode.

On 1/12/2022 4:31 AM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi Tony!
Thank you so much for your awesome complements. Especially I am really
appreciating the noticeable improvement of indent nav speed in VS
Code. It's great!
I wonder if that improvement in the indent nav algorithm will be
transferable to Word Nav? VS Code doesn't behave as I would like when
navigating with Control and arrows, but with Word Nav it does. The
problem is that in larger files Word Nav causes NVDA to take a long
time to read the words.
Do you think there is a way to fix that related to how you did it with
Indent Nav?

Have a great year!

2022-01-11 17:19 GMT-03:00, abdul muhamin <abdulmuhamin600@gmail.com>:
Hello there, I’m facing a strange issue in  browser nav 2.2, whenever I
try
to use NVDA OCR, the up and down aero keys doesn’t work, at 1st, I
thaught
it’s the problem in the latest version of NVDA, and I downgraded to
2021.3,
but the problem was still there, then I restarted my NVDA with addons
disabled, and the keys were working properly, then, I enabled the addons
1
by 1, and I found this bug with Browser nav addon, please fix it.



Sent from Mail for Windows



From: David Ingram
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: updates and new features



I’d like to know how to get rid of ad-ons that are not compatible with
the
latest version of nvda?  thank you.



On Jan 4, 2022, at 5:39 PM, Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@outlook.com>
wrote:



Hello,

Thanks Tony, your add-on is very useful to me, thank you for your great
creation. For sound segmentation, is it possible to place the NVDA
sound
separately on the left or right channel without changing the multimedia
sound? This is useful for enjoying stereo resources.

Thanks again








Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

Chris Smart
 

Not only that, but if you learn to use the ribbons as they are, instructions intended for sighted folks may be all you need to find things from then on, because You’ve done the work to learn to use the native interface with your screenreader.

 

 


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:
When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons,
-
I will again emphasize, I have never seen a single "alternate interface" to the ribbons within programs or within things like File Explorer for the sighted.  It's virtually certain that somewhere, such exists, but these have never gained anything approaching wide acceptance if they are out there.  I've been working with Windows since the very first version, throughout the menu driven period, and now for all the years of the ribbon-driven period.  I have never seen anything that tries to make the ribbons back into menus for sighted users.  Just trying to do the visual overlay would be an absolute nightmare, I'd imagine.

The overarching philosophy in computing is that it is always best to, "Go with the flow of the native interface currently offered."  Many of us, including the sighted, have hated some of the changes as they've come along, but that's always been irrelevant.  At least the vast majority of the sighted have simply bitten the bullet and learned to use "what's happenin' now" and kept doing so as this changes in either evolutionary or revolutionary ways.  The notable exceptions to that rule being things like Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start10, and similar which attempt to make the Windows OS presentation, and specifically the start menu, look and feel like what existed under Windows 7.  But these shells do not extend much beyond that, and certainly do not have anything to do with the ribbons in Windows functions nor application programs.

It's often neither easy, nor pleasant, but it is necessary.  If someone actually knows of a "Ribbon Skinner" for the sighted, please point me to it, as I'd actually love to see what tortured method would be used to make an alternative that still allows access to the full complement of functions in a given program's ribbon.
--

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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

Steve Nutt
 

That's a bit like the virtual ribbon in JAWS.

I personally don't think it's the screen reader's job to change the interface to a program, except for example, virtual windows like web pages. I don't think there is any need to change the user experience of a program itself, it leads to possible support problems when Microsoft disability for example, try to support the user.

Good luck with the add-on, but I think a better approach is to learn the ribbon system.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simone Dal Maso
Sent: 13 January 2022 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

Hello,
Just a message to inform you that a new addon is born...
This is still in development stage and is for all people that don't like ribbon.
So, probably for 95% of you :-)))

Alberto Buffolino developed an addon to enhance experience with Ribbon menu. Only in Office products, for the moment.

I copy directly from the readme:

Important things to consider:
1. this add-on is in development;
2. confirmed (by users) to work on Microsoft Office 2019, 365 and 2021; 3. compatibility for old NVDA/Office versions is not guaranteed.
Usage
Simply install, open an Office application, press Alt to access Ribbon, and familiarize with new menu layout.
You can use arrows, tab, enter, esc, quite like in a normal menu.
Alt+down/upArrow are supported too, for expanding some controls.
If there are problems (please report), or you want temporarily interact without add-on assistance, press NVDA+space.

Some useful links:
download development version from
https://github.com/ABuffEr/ribbonExplorer/releases/download/dev/ribbonExplorer-20220112-dev.nvda-addon

For support please use the github page:
https://github.com/ABuffEr/ribbonExplorer/

Have fun!


Re: Tecnical question to devs.

Steve Nutt
 

I think it was the text you added to the link when inserting it.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 12 January 2022 19:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tecnical question to devs.

 

Devin,

Thanks.  Though I will say that the link I gave was correct, taken directly from the Freelists subscription page.

Why in heaven's name they didn't use either a capital 'L', to make that clear, or a font that differentiates lowercase 'l' from uppercase 'I' I do not know.  I thought it was someone's catchy idea for not spelling out 'eye'.

But when you are actually reading that page the 'l' after the "program-" and the "I" in "V.I." are visually indistinguishable.
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