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Re: What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

Mani Iyer
 

You use NVDA + Numpad * Enter.  

Thanks,
Mani


On Jan 15, 2022, at 5:53 AM, Khalid Anwar <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:

Hi there, I’ve been looking for the answer everywhere but I just can’t seem to find it.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to move the system focus to where the review cursor is currently positioned?
also, how do you interact with information that is inside an object, I know that you can use the review cursor commands but what if there is a link or a button that you can only get to through object navigation, how can you click it?


Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

It can. Not sure about speech off and on though. I personally would not in a profile as I might forget. Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 7:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 06:55 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

There is a difference between Speech mode and Sleep Mode. 

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Indeed.  My guess, just based upon the back and forth, is that it's speech mode off that's being sought.

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: NVDA, & Orbit Question!

Sarah k Alawami
 

Your best bet would probably to post on the orbit reader list. I did post a
link here on the list so search the archives for more information and email
addresses. You will get a lot of helpful info including a guy who posted a
central repo of documentation etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E
Williamson, Senior
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, & Orbit Question!

Hello,
How do I turn off the cursor In the Orbit Braille Reader 20?
So that it will stop making the sound every second.
I am using NVDA latest version.
Thanks!
Regards,
Thomas.


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Russell James
 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.
At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

Russ


On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:
I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 
 
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
 
Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

 

Khalid,

Unless I'm not reading what you're asking as you mean it, all of this is covered in the Commands Quick Reference:  1.        NVDA + N, H, Q  [NVDA Menu, Help, Commands Quick Reference]

In the Navigating with the Mouse section the commands for both Move mouse to current navigator object, and its converse, Navigate to the object under the mouse, both have their desktop/laptop/touch gesture documented.   System focus follows the mouse for the instances I believe you're trying to describe.  The description for the "move mouse" command is, "Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor."

In the Object Navigation section, Activate current navigator object, with it's desktop/laptop/touch gestures, is listed and described as, "
Activates the current navigator object (similar to clicking with the mouse or pressing space when it has the system focus)."

 

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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 06:55 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
There is a difference between Speech mode and Sleep Mode. 
-
Indeed.  My guess, just based upon the back and forth, is that it's speech mode off that's being sought.

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

There is a difference between Speech mode and Sleep Mode.  Speech mode determines whether NVDA speaks or not, Sleep mode disables all NVDA commands and speech/braille output for the current application.  Sleep mode is enabled/disabled using NVDA+shift+s in desktop layout NVDA+shift+z in laptop layout.

 

Cheers

Chris

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From: Gtt North Bay
Sent: 15 January 2022 03:04
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!

 


What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

Khalid Anwar
 

Hi there, I’ve been looking for the answer everywhere but I just can’t seem to find it.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to move the system focus to where the review cursor is currently positioned?
also, how do you interact with information that is inside an object, I know that you can use the review cursor commands but what if there is a link or a button that you can only get to through object navigation, how can you click it?


NVDA, & Orbit Question!

Thomas E Williamson, Senior
 

Hello,
How do I turn off the cursor In the Orbit Braille Reader 20?
So that it will stop making the sound every second.
I am using NVDA latest version.
Thanks!
Regards,
Thomas.


Re: NVDA add-on CloudVision

alexey
 

https://visionbot.ru/img/ari.jpg
Try opening this link in the Firefox browser and recognizing the graphics there.
If it works, then the problem is in the navigator. I just really don't know how to put the navigator focus on the image.


Re: NVDA add-on CloudVision

alexey
 

After the phrase the analysis is completed, there should be a result immediately. It should automatically say.


Re: NVDA add-on CloudVision

Pranav Lal
 

Hi,

 

I have opened an image in paint and have got the navigator object where I think the image is. I hit ctrl + nvda key + I and am told that the analysis is completed.

 

What do I do next? How do I read the descriptions?

Pranav


Re: Sleep mode question

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi, just for clarification, Speech off and sleep mode are not the same thing.
When the NVDA is in sleep mode, all the keys will go to the application directly.
Good luck.


On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 6:04 AM Gtt North Bay <gtt.northbay@...> wrote:

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: Sleep mode question

 

Also, from post  by Quentin Christensen:

See our recent In-process blog article on using Configuration Profiles: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-19th-august-2021/#Profiles
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 11:11 PM, Joseph Norton wrote:
What I’m looking for is a way to have NVDA switch sleep mode on automatically when I open or alt-tab into the particular application, since it is self-voicing.
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Sarah already gave you your answer in the first response to your query:  Set up an configuration profile for that self-voicing application that turns off NVDA when you're in it, and turns it back on when you exit.  It is an automatically triggered configuration profile.

See Section 12.4 in the User Guide, which you can open using NVDA + N, H, U   [NVDA Menu, Help, User Guide]

 

 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Joseph Norton
 

This is true; I already know this.

 

What I’m looking for is a way to have NVDA switch sleep mode on automatically when I open or alt-tab into the particular application, since it is self-voicing.

 

Thanks, anyway.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gtt North Bay
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

To be honest david, I agree with the people that want the older style.

Its why I have ribbon disabler here.

It works and I know where to go.

On other systems where I don't need ribbon access or certain areas I then do use it but on my system, I want what I had.

Since I don't work in any real professional areas and probably will never do so, or even stay on the same upgrade track as everyone else, I see no reason to adapt.

After all I am passed the comply or be left in a hole.

That hole in the sand was filled ages ago, not by me but the world burried me in it.

So I see no reason to struggle much especially since I am approaching my middle years.

I haven't bothered going 11 yet for the same reason and yeeah if I can make windows or whatever look like it used to for me and me alone fine.

I object if I must do it for every user that like uses windows because I'd be foisting my belieffs onto others and I don't want to do that.

I do it because I like it and for me its more accessible but thats just me.

I mean if all units I had had an account of mine configured like that then fine but really its overkill.


On 15/01/2022 2:14 pm, David Goldfield wrote:

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the viewpoints of why alternative interfaces to the ribbon can be problematic, particularly for users who only use that alternative skin without learning anything about the menu. However, it’s clear to me that it’s not just visually impaired people who try to come up with alternatives to the standard interface that they happen to not like. A while ago I remember a program that attempted to address the desires of users who disliked the ribbon by adding a ribbon tab that attempted to emulate the menu interface. While I don’t know if UbitMenu may have been that program. At the time it was accessible enough that it was more or less usable but because it only added a menu tab to the existing ribbon it really wasn’t a full ribbon replacement. Just yesterday I stumbled upon an article about a start menu skin for Windows 11 to emulate the Win10 start menu and this wasn’t a blindness-specific site. Again, I’m not necessarily disagreeing with the prevailing point of view about this but my point is that there will always be groups of people, sighted as well as blind, who will continually want their computer to function like it did in “the good old days” and there always seems to be someone who’s willing to code a UI to satisfy that need.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field.

Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io

 

www.DavidGoldfield.org

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 11:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM, Gene wrote:

When a sighted person uses an alternate interface to ribbons,

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I will again emphasize, I have never seen a single "alternate interface" to the ribbons within programs or within things like File Explorer for the sighted.  It's virtually certain that somewhere, such exists, but these have never gained anything approaching wide acceptance if they are out there.  I've been working with Windows since the very first version, throughout the menu driven period, and now for all the years of the ribbon-driven period.  I have never seen anything that tries to make the ribbons back into menus for sighted users.  Just trying to do the visual overlay would be an absolute nightmare, I'd imagine.

The overarching philosophy in computing is that it is always best to, "Go with the flow of the native interface currently offered."  Many of us, including the sighted, have hated some of the changes as they've come along, but that's always been irrelevant.  At least the vast majority of the sighted have simply bitten the bullet and learned to use "what's happenin' now" and kept doing so as this changes in either evolutionary or revolutionary ways.  The notable exceptions to that rule being things like Classic Shell, Open Shell, Start10, and similar which attempt to make the Windows OS presentation, and specifically the start menu, look and feel like what existed under Windows 7.  But these shells do not extend much beyond that, and certainly do not have anything to do with the ribbons in Windows functions nor application programs.

It's often neither easy, nor pleasant, but it is necessary.  If someone actually knows of a "Ribbon Skinner" for the sighted, please point me to it, as I'd actually love to see what tortured method would be used to make an alternative that still allows access to the full complement of functions in a given program's ribbon.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Gtt North Bay
 

You can use NVDA+S and cycle through speech mode off or beep and same command to resume speech.

 

Thanks,

Brian B.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: January 14, 2022 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!


Re: for people that don't like ribbon in office, new addon: ribbon explorer

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 08:14 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
but my point is that there will always be groups of people, sighted as well as blind, who will continually want their computer to function like it did in “the good old days” and there always seems to be someone who’s willing to code a UI to satisfy that need.
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About which we are in complete agreement.  I've actually never asserted anything to the contrary (nor am I saying that you're claiming I have).

Where there's a market . . .
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

You can set up a profile which I did, then I manually put nvda to sleep this way when I alt tab away nvda wakes up and when I alt tab back it shuts up.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Hi listers:

 

I have a particular application I would like to launch and have NVDA go into sleep mode as long as I am in the application.

 

Someone on this list gave me a way to do that, but, I neglected to save the message.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks!

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