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Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:29 PM, Nate Kile wrote:
it only worked from the desktop, not in a browser or a document.
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Because those commands can be used (and I can't remember if an add-on is involved or not) in the context of a browser or document for an entirely different purpose.  I seem to remember table navigation for some reason, but I will not say that I'm right, as it's a vague feeling.

Scoping rules apply, and what a given keyboard command does can be directly dependent on where focus happens to be at a given moment in time.
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Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, Hmm I didn't actually realize that. I still have a profile though just in cawe, that will save sound devices if I need to do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

That has nothing to do with a profile. When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz
Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

Nate Kile
 

Hello,
I did keep it in laptop mode and, Control/Shift/Nvda with arrows worked, here is something to add though, it only worked from the desktop, not in a browser or a document.

Thanks for the thoughts and guidance.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:03 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Both of the previous suggestions point out why knowing which keyboard layout you are using, as well as which one you'd prefer to use, is often critical when it comes to whether a given NVDA keyboard command works or not.

But we still can't be certain whether or not the original questioner may actually be using the correct command for his chosen layout and something else is wrong.

More information will be needed about which, if either, of the suggested fixes worked.  If neither did, then even more digging will be required.
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Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:18 PM, Gene wrote:
When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.
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Which exactly matches my concept of the "transitory application profile" for sleep mode itself.  Other settings don't behave similarly when tabbing between applications.  You either get universal change if no application profile is in use or get selected tweaks only when in a given application when one is in use.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.
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What you're saying does make sense, since the application profile serves to create an "NVDA microclimate" and you can make additional changes within the "microclimate" on the fly, which only apply to it, but not outside of it, and that will hold until NVDA is restarted.

It sounds like that's exactly what Lanie is doing, too, except seemingly without an application profile.  I am not running to the User Guide at this very moment, but if what Lanie says is correct (and I'm not doubting that it is) then Sleep Mode kinda sorta creates a transitory equivalent of a configuration profile for sleep mode.  What  I'd be curious to know is whether it holds if you close the application you set up sleep mode for and started it again (I'd suspect not, but . . . ) or whether it holds for that application after it's been set until NVDA itself is closed then restarted.
 
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Sleep mode question

Gene
 

That has nothing to do with a profile.  When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.


Re: Sleep mode question

Gene
 

I seem to recall seeing years ago that there is a way to do this that doesn't involve profiles.  Someone may remember it.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:34 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.


Re: What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

Gene
 

When using the desktop layout, the command is NVDA plus numpad enter.  When the default NVDA key is used, the command is a convenient numpad command, numpad insert+numppad enter.


When using the laptop layout however, the command is NVDA key plus enter on the main keyboard.  I wrote out plus so people would hear it if they have punctuation turned off.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:31 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:25 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
You use NVDA + Numpad * Enter.
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If you're using desktop layout, but not if you're using laptop layout.  And that's for activating the current navigator object.

The mouse commands are used for routing system focus to the review cursor or vice versa.
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Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Rich DeSteno
 

I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?


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Re: Sleep mode question

 

Hi. That's a different way of doing it. I usually use sleep mode without a profile, and I'm not sure setting up a profile is necessary, unless the profile helps NVDA remember to turn sleep mode on for that app even after NVDA has been restarted. I think that's one of the points of profiles, to save these settings and trigger them at specific times even if NVDA has been restarted since the profile was created. Since I didn't think configuration profiles worked like that with sleep mode, I've been using it without one, and it still turns on when I'm in that app and off when I Alt+Tab away. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that's how sleep mode is supposed to work, without the use of a configuration profile for the app. Does the profile help sleep mode work better or differently in some way I'm not understanding? Thanks.


On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 10:40 AM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

> But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.

No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.
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Re: Sleep mode question

Niranjan Vala
 

Hello, As far as I know, You cannot configure NVDA's sleep mode in NVDA's configuration profile. If He want to do that kind of thing, I think right now this is not supported by the NVDA.


On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 22:10, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

> But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.

No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.
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Lukasz













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Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.
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Regards
Lukasz


Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Not sure about speech off and on though. I personally would not in a profile as I might forget.
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What earthly difference would it make?  

You could potentially forget anything that you put in a configuration profile, and speech off in an automatically triggered profile for a self-voiced application may be precisely what is wanted.  Or it could be sleep mode is what is wanted.

But the initial effect of "no NVDA speech" in that application is the same no matter which is used.  The difference being how keystrokes are handled and whether NVDA ever even tries to process any.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

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Re: Sleep mode question

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.
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Regards
Lukasz


Re: What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:25 AM, Mani Iyer wrote:
You use NVDA + Numpad * Enter.
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If you're using desktop layout, but not if you're using laptop layout.  And that's for activating the current navigator object.

The mouse commands are used for routing system focus to the review cursor or vice versa.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have sort of experienced this in some electron apps such as discord but it happens so rarely I can’t really say, ok, brake now. I do hope this problem is fixed though and someone can figure out the magic sauce.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: What’s the laptop keyboard gesture to move the system focus to where the review cursor is positioned

Mani Iyer
 

You use NVDA + Numpad * Enter.  

Thanks,
Mani


On Jan 15, 2022, at 5:53 AM, Khalid Anwar <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:

Hi there, I’ve been looking for the answer everywhere but I just can’t seem to find it.
Is there a keyboard shortcut to move the system focus to where the review cursor is currently positioned?
also, how do you interact with information that is inside an object, I know that you can use the review cursor commands but what if there is a link or a button that you can only get to through object navigation, how can you click it?


Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

It can. Not sure about speech off and on though. I personally would not in a profile as I might forget. Good luck.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 7:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 06:55 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

There is a difference between Speech mode and Sleep Mode. 

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Indeed.  My guess, just based upon the back and forth, is that it's speech mode off that's being sought.

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

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Re: NVDA, & Orbit Question!

Sarah k Alawami
 

Your best bet would probably to post on the orbit reader list. I did post a
link here on the list so search the archives for more information and email
addresses. You will get a lot of helpful info including a guy who posted a
central repo of documentation etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas E
Williamson, Senior
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 2:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA, & Orbit Question!

Hello,
How do I turn off the cursor In the Orbit Braille Reader 20?
So that it will stop making the sound every second.
I am using NVDA latest version.
Thanks!
Regards,
Thomas.


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Russell James
 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.
At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

Russ


On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:
I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 
 
Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields
 
Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise

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