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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

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Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:
Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.
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Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Arlene
 

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link. If you are on a huge site it still does.

 

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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: January 15, 2022 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I was not a JAWS user so have no idea to this question. WindowEyes and now NVDA were far easier for me to use.


On 1/15/2022 6:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

If, at some point, when someone is certain that they can consistently replicate the behavior, I'd be happy to have a quick remote session with Windows Quick Assist so that I can determine whether the cursor is indeed moving, and NVDA is silent, or if it has stalled.

One of the quickest ways to rule out the possiblity of an add-on being at fault is restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and try the process again.  If it recurs, it's almost certainly NVDA itself, and if it doesn't, it's almost certainly an add-on that's the culprit.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'll try to isolate if there is an add-on behind it.  I get typing echo when I type in the Google edit fields, but no spoken feedback when I navigate with the ARROW KEYS in the event that I made a typo that I want to correct.  That's what led me to believe that the cursor wasn't moving.  I tried navigating within another application's edit field to isolate the issue to Google products before I posted the original message.

Louise


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also use this as well, it's grate to keep track of things, especially on huge sites you visit infrequently.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


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Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


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Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Russell James
 

I'm not using any add-ons and it's happening fairly regularly with recent versions

Russ


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Gene
 

I wonder if it is an add-on, as Ron suggested.  I don't have the behavior in Chrome or Edge.  I do have it in Brave. 


Gene

On 1/15/2022 2:18 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:

Hi,

 

It also happens in Chrome as well.  When in the search field for google search page, no keys are echoed.  This only started recently.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Louise Pfau

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi,

 

It also happens in Chrome as well.  When in the search field for google search page, no keys are echoed.  This only started recently.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rich,

I don't have any of these issues using NVDA latest version and latest Edge browser. Could it be an add on causing this issue for you?

On 1/15/2022 12:12 PM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?

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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Mort importantly Edge will inform you if their is an update. I've not experienced said behavior using NVDA and that other screen reader.

On 1/15/2022 1:07 PM, Gene wrote:
They don't sound like NVDA changes to me.  You should have been notified if NVDA was updating.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 11:12 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?




Re: Sleep mode question

 

Well, it gets more and more interesting with regard to Sleep Mode.  After a little experimenting, where I used a specific Notepad window (one of the three I have open) where I put NVDA to sleep with NVDA + Shift + S (Desktop keyboard layout):

The sleep is not application specific, as in any Notepad window that's open, but Window specific.  Only the one Notepad window where I put NVDA to sleep is where it remains asleep when ALT + TABbing between applications.  None of the other Notepad windows are likewise "asleep"

The duration of the sleep upon focus is for the life of that Window.  If you close the window, and open that very same text file immediately afterward, NVDA is again active in the just invoked Notepad instance.

Not that any of the above is particularly surprising, but it does indicate exactly how NVDA is handling being put to sleep:  On a window by window basis.  So the "transitory configuration profile" does not act, like regular ones do, at the level of the running application (as all instances of a given application where settings are set using a profile will inherit those settings) but at the level of the window in which NVDA sleep was invoked.
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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Gene
 

They don't sound like NVDA changes to me.  You should have been notified if NVDA was updating.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 11:12 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:29 PM, Nate Kile wrote:
it only worked from the desktop, not in a browser or a document.
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Because those commands can be used (and I can't remember if an add-on is involved or not) in the context of a browser or document for an entirely different purpose.  I seem to remember table navigation for some reason, but I will not say that I'm right, as it's a vague feeling.

Scoping rules apply, and what a given keyboard command does can be directly dependent on where focus happens to be at a given moment in time.
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