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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I was not a JAWS user so have no idea to this question. WindowEyes and now NVDA were far easier for me to use.


On 1/15/2022 6:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

If, at some point, when someone is certain that they can consistently replicate the behavior, I'd be happy to have a quick remote session with Windows Quick Assist so that I can determine whether the cursor is indeed moving, and NVDA is silent, or if it has stalled.

One of the quickest ways to rule out the possiblity of an add-on being at fault is restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and try the process again.  If it recurs, it's almost certainly NVDA itself, and if it doesn't, it's almost certainly an add-on that's the culprit.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'll try to isolate if there is an add-on behind it.  I get typing echo when I type in the Google edit fields, but no spoken feedback when I navigate with the ARROW KEYS in the event that I made a typo that I want to correct.  That's what led me to believe that the cursor wasn't moving.  I tried navigating within another application's edit field to isolate the issue to Google products before I posted the original message.

Louise


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also use this as well, it's grate to keep track of things, especially on huge sites you visit infrequently.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


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a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Russell James
 

I'm not using any add-ons and it's happening fairly regularly with recent versions

Russ


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Gene
 

I wonder if it is an add-on, as Ron suggested.  I don't have the behavior in Chrome or Edge.  I do have it in Brave. 


Gene

On 1/15/2022 2:18 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:

Hi,

 

It also happens in Chrome as well.  When in the search field for google search page, no keys are echoed.  This only started recently.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Louise Pfau

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Deenadayalan Moodley
 

Hi,

 

It also happens in Chrome as well.  When in the search field for google search page, no keys are echoed.  This only started recently.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise


Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rich,

I don't have any of these issues using NVDA latest version and latest Edge browser. Could it be an add on causing this issue for you?

On 1/15/2022 12:12 PM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?

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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Mort importantly Edge will inform you if their is an update. I've not experienced said behavior using NVDA and that other screen reader.

On 1/15/2022 1:07 PM, Gene wrote:
They don't sound like NVDA changes to me.  You should have been notified if NVDA was updating.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 11:12 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?




Re: Sleep mode question

 

Well, it gets more and more interesting with regard to Sleep Mode.  After a little experimenting, where I used a specific Notepad window (one of the three I have open) where I put NVDA to sleep with NVDA + Shift + S (Desktop keyboard layout):

The sleep is not application specific, as in any Notepad window that's open, but Window specific.  Only the one Notepad window where I put NVDA to sleep is where it remains asleep when ALT + TABbing between applications.  None of the other Notepad windows are likewise "asleep"

The duration of the sleep upon focus is for the life of that Window.  If you close the window, and open that very same text file immediately afterward, NVDA is again active in the just invoked Notepad instance.

Not that any of the above is particularly surprising, but it does indicate exactly how NVDA is handling being put to sleep:  On a window by window basis.  So the "transitory configuration profile" does not act, like regular ones do, at the level of the running application (as all instances of a given application where settings are set using a profile will inherit those settings) but at the level of the window in which NVDA sleep was invoked.
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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Gene
 

They don't sound like NVDA changes to me.  You should have been notified if NVDA was updating.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 11:12 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:29 PM, Nate Kile wrote:
it only worked from the desktop, not in a browser or a document.
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Because those commands can be used (and I can't remember if an add-on is involved or not) in the context of a browser or document for an entirely different purpose.  I seem to remember table navigation for some reason, but I will not say that I'm right, as it's a vague feeling.

Scoping rules apply, and what a given keyboard command does can be directly dependent on where focus happens to be at a given moment in time.
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Re: Sleep mode question

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, Hmm I didn't actually realize that. I still have a profile though just in cawe, that will save sound devices if I need to do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

That has nothing to do with a profile. When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz
Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.


Re: NVDA Synthesizer Commands aren't working. Any suggestions?

Nate Kile
 

Hello,
I did keep it in laptop mode and, Control/Shift/Nvda with arrows worked, here is something to add though, it only worked from the desktop, not in a browser or a document.

Thanks for the thoughts and guidance.

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 3:03 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Both of the previous suggestions point out why knowing which keyboard layout you are using, as well as which one you'd prefer to use, is often critical when it comes to whether a given NVDA keyboard command works or not.

But we still can't be certain whether or not the original questioner may actually be using the correct command for his chosen layout and something else is wrong.

More information will be needed about which, if either, of the suggested fixes worked.  If neither did, then even more digging will be required.
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Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 12:18 PM, Gene wrote:
When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.
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Which exactly matches my concept of the "transitory application profile" for sleep mode itself.  Other settings don't behave similarly when tabbing between applications.  You either get universal change if no application profile is in use or get selected tweaks only when in a given application when one is in use.
 
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Re: Sleep mode question

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 11:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.
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What you're saying does make sense, since the application profile serves to create an "NVDA microclimate" and you can make additional changes within the "microclimate" on the fly, which only apply to it, but not outside of it, and that will hold until NVDA is restarted.

It sounds like that's exactly what Lanie is doing, too, except seemingly without an application profile.  I am not running to the User Guide at this very moment, but if what Lanie says is correct (and I'm not doubting that it is) then Sleep Mode kinda sorta creates a transitory equivalent of a configuration profile for sleep mode.  What  I'd be curious to know is whether it holds if you close the application you set up sleep mode for and started it again (I'd suspect not, but . . . ) or whether it holds for that application after it's been set until NVDA itself is closed then restarted.
 
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Re: Sleep mode question

Gene
 

That has nothing to do with a profile.  When you manually turn on sleep in an application and tab away, you go out of sleep mode. When you return to the application, sleep mode resumes.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:40 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Oh, however what I do is set a profile up specifically for an app, turn on sleep mode and when I alt tab away sleep mode is activated when I alt tab back and deactivated when I alt tab away. I hope that makes sence. So, activate sleep mode in that profile once the app is started and when you alt tab away you will have use of nvda. When you alt tab back to the app nvda will sleep.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lukasz Golonka via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.


Re: Sleep mode question

Gene
 

I seem to recall seeing years ago that there is a way to do this that doesn't involve profiles.  Someone may remember it.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 10:34 AM, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io wrote:

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 07:00:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...> wrote:

But, even if it is sleep mode, I think that can still be accomplished with a configuration profile that automatically triggers when a specific application has focus.
No, it cannot. Sleep mode cannot be currently set in a profile.

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