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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Mário Navarro
 

hi.


Yes, this happens to me too.
With jaws, this issue stops being real.
Cheers.

Às 17:12 de 15/01/2022, Rich DeSteno escreveu:

I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until recently.  Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window to read the contents.  I assume these changes are either related to changes in Edge or NVDA.  Is anyone else aware of this or whether these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch to Google Chrome?

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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,
I am experiencing this. But differently from description, for me when I type anything into the search box I get the NVDA error sound on alpha, and can't get anything in said search box to read.

On 1/15/2022 8:51 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Joseph,

I am not experiencing this issue. I just did a google search and everything functioned as it should.
Here is my version number: Microsoft EdgeVersion 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit)
Also it says I am up to date.



On 1/15/2022 7:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: Sleep mode question

Joseph Norton
 

Hi:

 

Yes, it does get interesting.

 

Thing is, you are able to turn on sleep mode, but, then, you can’t use any NVDA command to do anything, like save the current profile so sleep mode stays on.  So, a profile won’t actually accomplish this.

 

Seems like there was something I could do, relating to the Python console, or some such, but, I didn’t archive it.  Hmmm, though, I might search the list archives and see if I can locate it.

 

Cheers!

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 1:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Sleep mode question

 

Well, it gets more and more interesting with regard to Sleep Mode.  After a little experimenting, where I used a specific Notepad window (one of the three I have open) where I put NVDA to sleep with NVDA + Shift + S (Desktop keyboard layout):

The sleep is not application specific, as in any Notepad window that's open, but Window specific.  Only the one Notepad window where I put NVDA to sleep is where it remains asleep when ALT + TABbing between applications.  None of the other Notepad windows are likewise "asleep"

The duration of the sleep upon focus is for the life of that Window.  If you close the window, and open that very same text file immediately afterward, NVDA is again active in the just invoked Notepad instance.

Not that any of the above is particularly surprising, but it does indicate exactly how NVDA is handling being put to sleep:  On a window by window basis.  So the "transitory configuration profile" does not act, like regular ones do, at the level of the running application (as all instances of a given application where settings are set using a profile will inherit those settings) but at the level of the window in which NVDA sleep was invoked.
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Reading time positions of tracks in studio recorder

Saylor Cooper
 

Hello NVDA users,

Is there anyone on here that uses the studio recorder editing software from APH because if so, I have some clarifications on how to navigate it with NVDA. When I’m using Jaws and I press Ctrl home or end, it tells me which position of time I am on in the editing workspace like zero minutes and 30 seconds or 20 minutes and 30 seconds. However it does not announce anything with NVDA. Therefore how can I get it to announce those timestamps?

Saylor Cooper


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

Thank you Gene.  I was losing hope that anybody would answer my question.  Not that the additional drift wasn’t informative to read, but those weren’t what I asked about. 

Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

You can set NVDA not to announce visited links.  To do this, open document formatting, control d, and tab to visited links.  It's a checkbox.  Press the space bar to uncheck it, then activate the ok button.

 

Gene

On 1/15/2022 7:33 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

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Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Gene
 

While on the subject of visited links, it is important to say that if you delete your browser history, you will lose all visited links.  The browser keeps that information in history.  Off and on, I see people advising to delete browser history to see if it solves a problem.  I don't know if doing so might solve any problems but those who use or rely on visited links should know they will lose all of them if they do this.  I'm skeptical that removing history solves problems to any extent anyway but whatever the case, this is seldom stated when people make such recommendations and it is important to be stated.


I don't recall if someone asked how to move to visited links.  V moves you to the next visited link, shift v moves you to the previous one.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 5:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Gene
 

You can set NVDA not to announce visited links.  To do this, open document formatting, control d, and tab to visited links.  It's a checkbox.  Press the space bar to uncheck it, then activate the ok button.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 7:33 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

-
Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 09:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe it shows a different color so I've been told.
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That would be correct.  Unvisited links are in one color (generally blue unless customized) and visited ones in another (generally gray).  These can be customized.
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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Joseph,

I am not experiencing this issue. I just did a google search and everything functioned as it should.
Here is my version number: Microsoft EdgeVersion 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit)
Also it says I am up to date.



On 1/15/2022 7:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe it shows a different color so I've been told. It's interesting all of this.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just
visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and
paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I
cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back
to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited
link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really
noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those
again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step
directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those
directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about
three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where
I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

-
Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:
Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.
-
Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Arlene
 

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link. If you are on a huge site it still does.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: January 15, 2022 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

 


Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I was not a JAWS user so have no idea to this question. WindowEyes and now NVDA were far easier for me to use.


On 1/15/2022 6:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

If, at some point, when someone is certain that they can consistently replicate the behavior, I'd be happy to have a quick remote session with Windows Quick Assist so that I can determine whether the cursor is indeed moving, and NVDA is silent, or if it has stalled.

One of the quickest ways to rule out the possiblity of an add-on being at fault is restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and try the process again.  If it recurs, it's almost certainly NVDA itself, and if it doesn't, it's almost certainly an add-on that's the culprit.
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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'll try to isolate if there is an add-on behind it.  I get typing echo when I type in the Google edit fields, but no spoken feedback when I navigate with the ARROW KEYS in the event that I made a typo that I want to correct.  That's what led me to believe that the cursor wasn't moving.  I tried navigating within another application's edit field to isolate the issue to Google products before I posted the original message.

Louise

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