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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Gene
 

While on the subject of visited links, it is important to say that if you delete your browser history, you will lose all visited links.  The browser keeps that information in history.  Off and on, I see people advising to delete browser history to see if it solves a problem.  I don't know if doing so might solve any problems but those who use or rely on visited links should know they will lose all of them if they do this.  I'm skeptical that removing history solves problems to any extent anyway but whatever the case, this is seldom stated when people make such recommendations and it is important to be stated.


I don't recall if someone asked how to move to visited links.  V moves you to the next visited link, shift v moves you to the previous one.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 5:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Gene
 

You can set NVDA not to announce visited links.  To do this, open document formatting, control d, and tab to visited links.  It's a checkbox.  Press the space bar to uncheck it, then activate the ok button.


Gene

On 1/15/2022 7:33 PM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

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Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 09:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe it shows a different color so I've been told.
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That would be correct.  Unvisited links are in one color (generally blue unless customized) and visited ones in another (generally gray).  These can be customized.
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The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Joseph,

I am not experiencing this issue. I just did a google search and everything functioned as it should.
Here is my version number: Microsoft EdgeVersion 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit)
Also it says I am up to date.



On 1/15/2022 7:32 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe it shows a different color so I've been told. It's interesting all of this.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just
visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and
paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I
cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back
to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited
link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really
noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those
again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step
directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those
directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about
three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where
I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

The visited link is a standare web browser thing. Not sure what it shows visually if their are visited links, but yes all screen readers encluding NVDA as you already know announce these.

On 1/15/2022 6:46 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Marilyn and Don Bilderback
 

What key strokes eliminate the announcement of visited link?

I assume you don’t have to have it. I am using NVDA.

 Marilyn

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.

-
Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 07:56 PM, Arlene wrote:
Yes, Jaws still does say visited link.
-
Thanks.  I didn't think this was distinctive to NVDA.  I think Narrator does it, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Arlene
 

Yes, Jaws still does say visited link. If you are on a huge site it still does.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: January 15, 2022 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

 


Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA

 

Hi everyone,

No, this is not an add-on issue. I just tried searching for something with Google via Edge 97 and received a traceback that ends with COM error, and the traceback does not point to add-on code (if it did, a code fragment from the add-on will be printed).

It turns out switching to Chrome might not be a good idea at this time - I tried the same thing with Chrome and received the same COM error traceback. In fact, NV Access is aware of this issue that began when Chromium 97 based browsers hit the stable channel as shown in the following NVDA issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/13223

Therefore, I can tell you all that you are not alone.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe jaws does this, or did when I last used it in  2009. You can have this setting turned off, but yeah I don’t as my memory  is crummy at best, thanks condition I didn’t know I had until 2019.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I was not a JAWS user so have no idea to this question. WindowEyes and now NVDA were far easier for me to use.


On 1/15/2022 6:56 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

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Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

If, at some point, when someone is certain that they can consistently replicate the behavior, I'd be happy to have a quick remote session with Windows Quick Assist so that I can determine whether the cursor is indeed moving, and NVDA is silent, or if it has stalled.

One of the quickest ways to rule out the possiblity of an add-on being at fault is restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled and try the process again.  If it recurs, it's almost certainly NVDA itself, and if it doesn't, it's almost certainly an add-on that's the culprit.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I'll try to isolate if there is an add-on behind it.  I get typing echo when I type in the Google edit fields, but no spoken feedback when I navigate with the ARROW KEYS in the event that I made a typo that I want to correct.  That's what led me to believe that the cursor wasn't moving.  I tried navigating within another application's edit field to isolate the issue to Google products before I posted the original message.

Louise


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

 

Doesn't JAWS do this as well?  NVDA and JAWS both have had shortcuts for links (whether visited or unvisited), visited link, and unvisited link, in their keyboard shortcuts for as long as I can remember.  I also thought both announced, when you landed on a link, it's previous visitation status.

I'm just curious if any JAWS and NVDA users, and I know we've got those, can either confirm or refute my memory.  I just realized a couple of days ago that it has been almost 4 years since I last had a client where I was tutoring JAWS.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 


Re: a big thank you to the programmers

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also use this as well, it's grate to keep track of things, especially on huge sites you visit infrequently.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a big thank you to the programmers

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


a big thank you to the programmers

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just visited a link. I was on our state legislative site having to copy and paste in a file the information about each senator. With my dementia I cannot remember which link I was on last and without having to go back to the list I was making it was great to have NVDA just say "visited link" on the ones I had already opened. I knew it did it but really noticed it this time as the dementia is getting a lot worse.


I know I have said this out here before, but I want to thank those again who have helped me through the years write down step-by-step directions for different tasks I need to use. I used some of those directions again today.


I am already giving a very small amount each month but hope in about three years to add more to that amount each month. I do not know where I would be without NVDA.


Thanks again.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Russell James
 

I'm not using any add-ons and it's happening fairly regularly with recent versions

Russ


Re: NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

Gene
 

I wonder if it is an add-on, as Ron suggested.  I don't have the behavior in Chrome or Edge.  I do have it in Brave. 


Gene

On 1/15/2022 2:18 PM, Deenadayalan Moodley wrote:

Hi,

 

It also happens in Chrome as well.  When in the search field for google search page, no keys are echoed.  This only started recently.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2022 18:14
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

I have observed at least similar results using Firefox and GMail compose/edit boxes.

 

I cannot be sure but I think this is the same symptoms/problem...

 

To clarify, I don't think the cursor is not moving, it is just not speaking when it is moved.

 

This is happening more often with recent versions of NVDA.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have a set of steps to reproduce the problem.

 

As others have reported, moving away from the edit box and coming back is the only known work around.

 

Until recently, I had only experienced this while using Linked-In message compose/edit boxes.

At that time, probably 2/3 years back, I thought it was LI specific and reported the problem to LI.

 

Russ

 

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 5:36 PM Nate Kile <theblindprogrammercorner@...> wrote:

I have also noticed this. It definitely impacts workflow.

 

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 1:17 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I haven’t tested with the browsers you have named but the Brave browser, another Chrome-based browser, displays this behavior in the Google search edit field.  I haven’t tried other edit fields. 

 

Firefox doesn’t display this behavior. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Louise Pfau

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:56 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2021.3.1 cursor doesn't move in Google product edit fields

 

Hi.  When I type into Google product edit fields like the search fields in Youtube or Google search, I can't move the cursor around the text using the ARROW KEYS unless I TAB out of and back into the edit field.  I tried both Microsoft Edge and Google Chrome with the same result, but they are both chromium-based browsers.  I only have those browsers installed on my computer, and they are both up-to-date.  This doesn't happen in other edit fields like the Windows search box.  I'm using Windows 10 Pro Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1466), NVDA 2021.3.1, Microsoft Edge Version 97.0.1072.62 (Official build) (64-bit), and Google Chrome Version 97.0.4692.71 (Official Build) (64-bit).  Has anyone else come across this?

Louise

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