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Re: Organizations/Employers that use NVDA in the USA. Who are they?
Devin Prater
The Gentry Technical facility in Alabama teaches NVDA to its students, unless there's some program they have to use JAWS for.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 7:55 PM Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
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Re: Organizations/Employers that use NVDA in the USA. Who are they?
Quentin Christensen
I won't name names for privacy reasons, although I can say that we have been getting ever increasing inquiries from organisations about using NVDA in their workplaces. Given that the program is free, including in corporate environments, there really is no barrier to being able to use it, so that's helpful for a lot of people and companies. We have a page at: https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/ which answers a lot of the kinds of questions we get asked by organisations. A few years ago, we were sometimes asked about whether open source software was safe. As more IT managers now understand how open source works, we don't encounter that nearly so often but there is a section on that page dedicated to just that query - including links to a number of government and large corporate policies mandating the use of open source software first. If anyone does work for an organisation with questions about NVDA, or would like some backup approaching organisations, do feel free to write to me offlist at info@.... (Or if you have general questions, feel free to ask here as if you have a question, chances are someone else does too). Kind regards Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 12:55 PM Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
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Re: Organizations/Employers that use NVDA in the USA. Who are they?
Armando
Hello. I believe that some schools for the blind use NVDA. For example, at my school for the blind in my state, some computers have NVDA installed.
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On Jan 16, 2022, at 8:55 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. <p.wildcat1234@...> wrote:
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Re: Apology to list members
Yeah, one of my cousins that works on private boats as a contracter in
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europe has omicron. She and just about everyone has now lost their job because they got covid. They have to work till they get replacements. But with our isolation centres the way they are right now with space issues and the fact if you are sick and all the restrictions she is stuck out there, with no cash, and because of no job no visa either. Technically the company who hired the people is supposed to get them home but who knows if they actually will honor this. She has her own issues with people to, but was in a bad patch last year having been robbed while away and losing most everything. No work, means no cash though and no cash means no anything. Family are trying to send cash but money laundering and such well its a problem. Touch wood I have not got sick though being an alergy sufferer there is always the case I may have covid daily because I can sneeze any time without medication and even with. So yeah, its going about on a continuous level. So all we can do is get the best protection we can and hold on to our hats for dear life.
On 17/01/2022, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
Hi,
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers
Kenny Peyattt jr.
I use NVDA as a backup, and I still use JAWS as my primary screenreader.
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Organizations/Employers that use NVDA in the USA. Who are they?
Kenny Peyattt jr.
Hi I was wondering what places of employment use NVDA in the US?
Kenny Peyatt jr.
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Re: a big thank you to the programmers
Quentin Christensen
Thanks Betsy! Even though, as others have said, it might not be a new feature, it's still great to know that it's a useful feature for you. Also a reminder to any web devs out there (although most reading this group would already be quite conscientious about this) that for all the latest fancy bells and whistles out there, sometimes it's the simple, back to basics HTML (I just checked, I believe visited links were a thing from HTML 3.2 in 1997 - 25 years ago: https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/SPSD-html32-20180315/ ) To answer the question someone asked in the thread - It's up to the page or CSS, or failing that, your browser settings as to exactly what colour visited links appear. The default is generally that unvisited links appear in blue, and visited links appear in purple. Kind regards Quentin.
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 10:46 AM Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@...> wrote: I want to thank whoever decided to let NVDA tell you when you just --
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Re: Apology to list members
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi,
I also hope and pray you have a speedy recovery. My brother-in-law has it now.
Rosemarie
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From: Armando Vias
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 4:55 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Apology to list members
I hope that you have a speedy recovery as well. I also have it, but hopefully it will get better sometime this week. — Armando L. Vias Main Telephone: (830) 542-2220 Email: armando@... Website: https://armandovias.com
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Re: Spellcheck in Excel and PowerPoint
Quentin Christensen
In short, the spell check feature in Excel 365 is like the old-style Word 2010 and older dialog. Given that, I would assume it's like that in every version of Excel. The spell check in PowerPoint is like the Word 2013 and newer task pane style spell check. For the spell check feature in Excel: 1. Press F7. It opens what will be familiar to users of Office 2010 and earlier as the spell check dialog. For some reason the focus starts on the dictionary language. 2. Press alt+d to jump to "Not in dictionary". This will show the first item found. 3. For reasons, it will read blank. What is actually happening is the text is selected and it won't read properly. Press an arrow key. We are aware of this and have an open issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11504 4. Press TAB once or alt+n to jump to the suggestions. 5. Use the arrow keys to move around the suggestions. You can press either: a) alt+i to ignore once b) alt+g to ignore all instances of this error c) alt+d to add the word to the dictionary d) alt+c to change this instance to the currently selected suggestion e) alt+l to change all instances of this error to the currently selected suggestion So, aside from the initial quirk of where focus lands (would need a fix from Microsoft), and the oddity of NVDA not reading the misspelt word while it is selected, which we're aware of, the dialog isn't too hard to navigate. For PowerPoint: 1) Press F7, the task pane opens. Again for reasons known only to Microsoft, the focus is on the language selection. 2) Press tab once. This moves the focus to the "Ignore once" button, which is the first button on the task pane. 3) Press the "Move to previous object" keystroke. NVDA+numpad 4 (desktop) or NVDA+shift+left arrow (laptop). This reads the error. 4) You can press enter to activate this button, or press TAB three times to move past Ignore all and add and to the first suggestion. 5) Use the arrows to move through the suggestions. The options from here are identical to listed for Excel, except adding the word to the dictionary is alt+a rather than alt+d. You can press either: a) alt+i to ignore once b) alt+g to ignore all instances of this error c) alt+a to add the word to the dictionary d) alt+c to change this instance to the currently selected suggestion e) alt+l to change all instances of this error to the currently selected suggestion The spell check in Word 365 itself works similarly, but a little more sophisticated. It also presents grammatical errors which work slightly differently, and reads the word and context better. Kind regards Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 1:41 AM David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:
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Re: Apology to list members
Armando
I hope that you have a speedy recovery as well. I also have it, but hopefully it will get better sometime this week.
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On Jan 16, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Re: Apology to list members
You have my sincerest wishes for a speedy and full recovery. My brother had it early on, and he said, "You really don't want to get Covid!"
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Apology to list members
Don H
I want to apologize to the list for breaking the list rules. My continuing recovery from Covid has messed up my judgement.
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 06:44 PM, Don H wrote:
Last time I told Brian v not to do something he read me the riot act to- You really don't seem to understand that questioning moderation decisions in public is just not done. For any other member who believes that the above is appropriate, I suggest you read Nimer Jaber's Administrative Notice entitled, List Updates: Please Read (Sent April 11, 2020). It explicitly states the following:
-- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
Gtt North Bay
Sorry but I think you have the wrong Brian B.
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Thanks, Brian B.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: January 16, 2022 6:44 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing shortcut keys Last time I told Brian v not to do something he read me the riot act to Never Never tell him what to do. On 1/16/2022 5:03 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote: Brian and Gene, can we kill this topic or take it off list.
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
Don H
Last time I told Brian v not to do something he read me the riot act to
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Never Never tell him what to do.
On 1/16/2022 5:03 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote:
Brian and Gene, can we kill this topic or take it off list.
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 06:03 PM, Gtt North Bay wrote:
- So, you're the moderator now. I don't think so. Well, I am, and the following is being stated in that role, so don't argue with me about it: Use the Mute this Topic function that Groups.io supplies for you for any topic you do not wish to see. Period, end of sentence. It is up to the Group Owner or Moderator to decide whether there has been "Too much back and forth." If I member believes this, and feels it warrants reporting, then a message to the Group Owner address is the appropriate method for doing so. The Group Owner may or may not agree, so reporting it will not necessarily result in something being stopped. But, in general, it is up to the individual member to mute topics they've become bored with. The amount of back and forth can and will vary in topics over time, and what's "too much" to you may be "not yet enough" for someone else. Use the tools this service provides you, don't demand that an active topic, that is on-topic with regard to how NVDA works, and arguments about same, are not to your personal liking. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are. ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
Gtt North Bay
Brian and Gene, can we kill this topic or take it off list. To much back and forth.
Thanks, Brian B.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 16, 2022 5:15 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing shortcut keys
I didn't say what I said to say that one screen-reader is better. I'm saying that Window-eyes, in this respect, is superior because settings aren't automatically saved. But beyond that, I'm not making any general statements in my message.
Gene On 1/16/2022 3:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
Gene
I didn't say what I said to say that one screen-reader is better. I'm saying that Window-eyes, in this respect, is superior because settings aren't automatically saved. But beyond that, I'm not making any general statements in my message.
Gene
On 1/16/2022 3:48 PM, Arlene wrote:
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Re: NVDA announcing shortcut keys
Gene
Yes, what you say is correct about programs in general but a
screen-reader is somewhat different than typical programs. In a
screen-reader, people often want to change settings temporarily
and not have them accidentally saved permanently. You may want
to change the speech rate, perhaps you are reading something you
want to concentrate on more and slow the screen-reader, perhaps
you want to change punctuation temporarily, or change what is or
isn't spoken on a certain web page. Perhaps you want to change
the voice. I imagine people would tend to change one setting
usually but I also suspect there are times when people might want
to change two or three, but you don't want any of these changes to
be permanent. If your computer spontaneously reboots, the changed
settings will be permanently saved. While this doesn't happen
often, it does happen. Because you may have set them a long time
ago, you may not recall the numerical values of the settings and
you may find it annoying to reset them. You may be doing
something after making one or more changes and decide to switch
screen-readers. Without thinking about reverting before shutdown,
you close NVDA. The old settings have been lost and the new ones
saved.
And in the case of those learning NVDA I believe it gives
students more confidence in experimenting with NVDA settings if they know they won't
accidentally be saved. They can change as many settings as they
want and none of them will be permanently saved, unless
intentionally.
I believe that programs like Openbook and Kurzweil are in this
category of program as well.
Gene
On 1/16/2022 3:30 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 02:51 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA
Arlene
Same here, I’m using the latest version of NVDA, JFW 2021 on this windows ten computer!
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From: Mário Navarro
Sent: January 16, 2022 3:03 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Edge Suddenly Less Accessible with NVDA
hi.
Yes, this happens to me too. With jaws, this issue stops being real. Cheers.
Às 17:12 de 15/01/2022, Rich DeSteno escreveu: > I have been using the current version of NVDA with the current version > of Microsoft Edge on both Windows 10 and 11 with great success until > recently. Within the last few days, NVDA will no longer read the > search term that I type in the search edit field. Also, when I press > the Space Bar on a compressed listing of what other people ask, the > contents open in a new window, so I must alt-tab to the other window > to read the contents. I assume these changes are either related to > changes in Edge or NVDA. Is anyone else aware of this or whether > these problems will be corrected, or should I just give up and switch > to Google Chrome? > > -- A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...
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