On Jan 16, 2022, at 4:20 PM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

I want to apologize to the list for breaking the list rules. My continuing recovery from Covid has messed up my judgement.

thanks alexey, i got it.

On 17/01/2022, alexey <aleks-samos@...> wrote:

https://github.com/alekssamos/cloudvision/releases/download/v3.0.0.0/
CloudVision-3.0.0.0.nvda-addon

As I recall, I reported two or three days ago that I didn't have the problem in Chrome nor in Edge.  I'm not sure why, but I tested again now with Chrome and the problem is there.  I may test Edge but I haven't yet.

However, tabbing away from the field and returning is not the only way to have text be read when you move the cursor.  Opening the menus and closing them does so as well.  It isn't how you leave the field, its that you leave the field that matters.

Gene

On 1/17/2022 8:17 AM, Michael Chopra wrote:

Hi. I have also noticed this as well and have had to use the work around of tabbing away then coming back to it in order to navigate properly. From what I can figure out, NVDA seems to be selecting the text for some reason when you go back into the edit field. I will also add that I only started noticing this at least for me and others, since version 2021.3.1.

Thanks.

From Michael.

thanks alexey, i got it.

On 17/01/2022, alexey <aleks-samos@...> wrote:

https://github.com/alekssamos/cloudvision/releases/download/v3.0.0.0/CloudVision-3.0.0.0.nvda-addon

https://github.com/alekssamos/cloudvision/releases/download/v3.0.0.0/CloudVision-3.0.0.0.nvda-addon

Hi. I have also noticed this as well and have had to use the work around of tabbing away then coming back to it in order to navigate properly. From what I can figure out, NVDA seems to be selecting the text for some reason when you go back into the edit field. I will also add that I only started noticing this at least for me and others, since version 2021.3.1.

Thanks.

From Michael.

I want to apologize to the list for breaking the list rules. My
continuing recovery from Covid has messed up my judgement.

I want to apologize to the list for breaking the list rules.  My continuing recovery from Covid has messed up my judgement.

https://visionbot.ru/img/ari.jpg
Try opening this link in the Firefox browser and recognizing the graphics
there.
If it works, then the problem is in the navigator. I just really don't know
how to put the navigator focus on the image.

I want to apologize to the list for breaking the list rules.  My continuing recovery from Covid has messed up my judgement.

Yes, what you say is correct about programs in general but a screen-reader is somewhat different than typical programs.  In a screen-reader, people often want to change settings temporarily and not have them accidentally  saved permanently.  You may want to change the speech rate, perhaps you are reading something you want to concentrate on more and slow the screen-reader, perhaps you want to change punctuation temporarily, or change what is or isn't spoken on a certain web page.  Perhaps you want to change the voice.  I imagine people would tend to change one setting usually but I also suspect there are times when people might want to change two or three, but you don't want any of these changes to be permanent.  If your computer spontaneously reboots, the changed settings will be permanently saved.  While this doesn't happen often, it does happen.  Because you may have set them a long time ago, you may not recall the numerical values of the settings and you may find it annoying to reset them.  You may be doing something after making one or more changes and decide to switch screen-readers.  Without thinking about reverting before shutdown, you close NVDA.  The old settings have been lost and the new ones saved. 

And in the case of those learning NVDA I believe it gives students more confidence in

experimenting with NVDA settings if they know they won't accidentally be saved.  They can change as many settings as they want and none of them will be permanently saved, unless intentionally.

I believe that programs like Openbook and Kurzweil are in this category of program as well. 

Gene

On 1/16/2022 3:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 02:51 PM, Gene wrote:

People may differ with me all they like, but why is the current default better than my proposal?

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Gene,

I suggest you look at how the Settings under Windows 10 & 11, Microsoft Office, most web browsers, and the list goes on and on these days work.  The era of having to hit even so much as a Save key to finalize your choices has, quite often, disappeared.  Even a Cancel button has become rarer.  The settings take effect, immediately, and stay as you set them until or unless you set them back.  It has become the most common convention.

That matters.  People come to expect this sort of behavior ecosystem wide as it has come to predominate.

It's not even a matter of personal preference, really, so much as a matter of establishing a consistent convention and sticking with it.  There are programs, and they are relatively few and NVDA is one of them, that allow you to actually control when/if settings changes are saved.  It gives you the control if you want to set an exception to what has become common convention.

But in all cases, whether I necessarily like what the common convention is, personally, I recognize the value in following it.  Knowing what to expect, in most cases, has a great value even if I so happen to hate whatever that thing is.  At least I know and I know that if it's possible for me to change it then it is up to me to make that change.  It makes it a conscious deviation from the common convention.

NVDA is adhering to modern conventions, and should continue to do so.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting for common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)

 

Yeah, one of my cousins that works on private boats as a contracter in
europe has omicron.
She and just about everyone has now lost their job because they got covid.
They have to work till they get replacements.
But with our isolation centres the way they are right now with space
issues and the fact if you are sick and all the restrictions she is
stuck out there, with no cash, and because of no job no visa either.
Technically the company who hired the people is supposed to get them
home but who knows if they actually will honor this.
She has her own issues with people to, but was in a bad patch last
year having been robbed while away and losing most everything.
No work, means no cash though and no cash means no anything.
Family are trying to send cash but money laundering and such well its a
problem.
Touch wood I have not got sick though being an alergy sufferer there
is always the case I may have covid daily because I can sneeze any
time without medication and even with.
So yeah, its going about on a continuous level.
So all we can do is get the best protection we can and hold on to our
hats for dear life.


On 17/01/2022, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi,



I also hope and pray you have a speedy recovery. My brother-in-law has it
now.



Rosemarie





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From: Armando Vias
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 4:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Apology to list members



I hope that you have a speedy recovery as well. I also have it, but
hopefully it will get better sometime this week.

—

Armando L. Vias

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Email: armando@...

Website: https://armandovias.com

On Jan 16, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

You have my sincerest wishes for a speedy and full recovery.  My
brother
had it early on, and he said, "You really don't want to get Covid!"
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

The instinctive need to be the member of a closely-knit group fighting
for
common ideals may grow so strong that it becomes inessential what these
ideals are.

       ~ Konrad Lorenz (1903-1989)